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Jeff Pu doesn’t really have the credibility in Apple predictions. What he said is very likely to be wrong.
 
mmW on a bunch of street corners doesn't make up for widespread mid-band 5G.
One of the hardest things to do in the modern world is to distinguish between reality and nonsense that is being peddled as reality.
I have no idea what the situation is like for the "entire" US; all I can say is that I'm pretty amazed at just how extensive mmWave coverage is in the large cities I live in and have recently visited. To hear the propaganda, mmWave barely works and is only appropriate for airports and stadia. Well, not exactly...

I'm not interested in some sort of p**ssing war over which country sucks most; I leave that to people incapable of appreciating the beauty of physics/math/technology. All I can say is that it's not just Americans who are clueless about life in other countries...
 
The Apple Watch Ultra is definite progress for GPS.
Yes, but not for the point I am making!
aWatch Ultra gets the GPS via the cellular (QC) chip; it does nothing to advance APPLE's radio technology. (An Apple replacement chip for QC will have to include its own GPS...)
 
One of the hardest things to do in the modern world is to distinguish between reality and nonsense that is being peddled as reality.
I have no idea what the situation is like for the "entire" US; all I can say is that I'm pretty amazed at just how extensive mmWave coverage is in the large cities I live in and have recently visited. To hear the propaganda, mmWave barely works and is only appropriate for airports and stadia. Well, not exactly...

I'm not interested in some sort of p**ssing war over which country sucks most; I leave that to people incapable of appreciating the beauty of physics/math/technology. All I can say is that it's not just Americans who are clueless about life in other countries...

One of the best things about 5G speeds is there's actual data to determine who's fast and slow.

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The Intel modems were so bad. Even with Apple taking ownership of the Intel Modem line, I will personally wait to see how they preform before making a purchase.

If the rumors turn out to be true that the iPhone 15 will be the first iPhone with USB-C and the last with a QC modem, then it might end up being the iPhone I hold onto for a long, long time.

Seems like since they don’t call them S anymore, odd numbers are the ones to go with.
 
One of the best things about 5G speeds is there's actual data to determine who's fast and slow.

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I got a taste of 5G on my S21 and I was ecstatic that it reached 80mbps on a Speedtest 😂
Here in Indonesia, the towers are so congested that 4G right now is running at 3G speed. It is made worse with 3G being shut down, resulting every cellular devices crowding the already congested 4G towers…

5G is critically needed to help with the congestion over here.
 
I love it when people keep disagreeing and press downvote. But they dont know anything about the 3GPP Spec, i.e 5G, nor Modem , or how the SEP works.

So the conclusion is that, from the limited samples, 5G is worst than TSMC / 4nm topic.
 
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My theory is Apple badly wanted to bring modem development in-house. Similar to what they and Srouji did with Apple silicon and resulting A/M series chips. And not being beholden to another company for an important and pricey piece of their phones. Also... being able to eventually roll their own (hoping to, anyway) secret sauce into Apple modem chips unavailable to competitors, and thus locking Apple into a large competitive advantage over competing phones having less performance, is huge.
I think they were fine with having the modems externally sourced, as long as there was a competition between 2 or more suppliers;

the problem arose when Intel gave up on 5G and Apple was forced to buy ONLY from Qualcomm.

Even the screens have 3 different suppliers, the only other monopoly (as far as I know) is TSMC, and they started charging Apple more...
 
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I’m surprised at how difficult it appears to be to design modem hardware. Intel was at it for years and failed, Apple is at it for years and seems to be failing… I wonder why it is so? Anyway, makes me respect engineering teams who managed to successfully deliver such devices even more.
 
I do hope Apple succeed in making one and not scrap the project. The A and M series of chips are immensely capable and are not power hungry. Hope the modem turns out good as well and in future included in all their mobile devices (incl. Macbooks). Take your time Apple.
 
I’m tired of these “theoretical speeds” that nobody ever seems to get. Saying it could be up to 10Gbps is meaningless to me, especially if it’s the mmWave crap that cuts the signal if you open an umbrella or turn your body. In reality none of this matters except for power efficiency improvements moving to a smaller process node from TSMC. The vast majority of people have all had mobile speeds between 50-150Mbps for the past decade. I mean just look at these average results from Speedtest.net from August:

T-Mobile
117Mbps / 12Mbps

Verizon Wireless
60Mbps / 9Mbps

AT&T
55Mbps / 7Mbps


I was getting 30-40Mbps on Verizon LTE in 2012 on my iPhone 5. Things have barely improved on average.

As for my iPhone 14 Pro, I just got 260Mbps down and 10Mbps up. Or in other words, 2.6% of the maximum theoretical speed of 10Gbps. Which is why that number really doesn’t matter.
If that’s what you’re complaining about, then you’re missing the point of 5G. One of the main real world benefits of 5G is increased connection reliability in bandwidth starved situations (along with reduced lag), at least with carriers that have implemented this well. This is a really big deal.

In contrast, the theoretical max speeds are pretty much irrelevant to 99% of the population.

I still remember Macrumorus and most of its comments were suggesting Apple could *cough* move mountains and have their own modem by *2020*.

"If they can make the world's best CPU they can make modem!"

And then 2021, 2022, 2023..... and what? We are 2025 now?
Whoever said that wasn’t paying attention. In 2019, Apple signed a multi-year chip supply agreement with Qualcomm, with licensing until at least 2025.
 
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I use Verizon with my iPhone 14 Pro Max in Manhattan, NYC and the download speeds are up to 330 Mbps. it can slow down during the day, particularly 4PM - 6 due to congestion in some spots.

Remember better signal means better battery life. So, upgrading annually. (I use Verizon yearly upgrade) means a better modem (currently the X65) and transceiver electronics improving signal strength, for those hard to reach areas. In NYC we have skyscrapers, subways, other hard to reach signal areas. There are also conferences, sports events with lots of traffic...etc. The X65 modem also takes up less power than its predecessor.

I also keep the cell settings to 5G on, not auto. There is always 5G coverage where I am mostly, and can change it if traveling to somewhere without it.

I use the Speedtest iOS App (not the web version). I do tethering on the Mac using the Speedtest Mac OS app.
With the iOS app, you can click on "Detailed info" after the Speedtest and see thinks like %packet loss. If you are getting slower than expected results, check this number.

In most large metro areas Verizon is using the C-band, band n77, which is either 60Mz or 100 MHz of bandwidth. They are upgrade all/most metro areas to 100MHz bandwidth.
The C-band is exclusive to 5G, no sharing with LTE and is very fast.

You can run cel info (Field Test Mode) on your iPhone:
Call *3001$12345#8
For 5G look at Nr Rach Attempt
RSRQ
is overall signal quality including noise (the important number)
RSPR is signal strength
freq_band_ind is the band you are running on: 77 is the C-band. (at least for Verizon)

I think all 5G iPhones (12, 13, 14) have access to band 77.

I'm not recommending this link, just something I found on the web. It appears to be addressing LTE and not 5G, so not certain everything holds:



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I hope so, the x70 is an amazing chipset that I hope we have in the Iphone 15. Its 60% more efficient than the x65 in the current 14. That coupled with a 3nm A16 and battery life is going to be really good.
 
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I got a taste of 5G on my S21 and I was ecstatic that it reached 80mbps on a Speedtest 😂
Here in Indonesia, the towers are so congested that 4G right now is running at 3G speed. It is made worse with 3G being shut down, resulting every cellular devices crowding the already congested 4G towers…

5G is critically needed to help with the congestion over here.
Yes but jd
f indunesia does it the sane way as a few other places, once 3G is shut down the frequencies will be re purposed fir 4G/ 5G so it will give a boost to caoacity ( both because of mor rf spectrum and way mote eficient over air air transmission)
 
Yes but jd
f indunesia does it the sane way as a few other places, once 3G is shut down the frequencies will be re purposed fir 4G/ 5G so it will give a boost to caoacity ( both because of mor rf spectrum and way mote eficient over air air transmission)
3G is already shut down. Imo it is probably mostly will be for 5G as 4G currently is not getting any better. Thus my goal to upgrade my 7+ to a 5G capable iphone.
 
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One of the best things about 5G speeds is there's actual data to determine who's fast and slow.

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And what's OpenSignal's methodology?
What's their weighting (by land area or by population)?
How do they correct for the fact that it's much easier to be fast in a country that's all city than in a country with a large non-urban extent?
How do they correct for areas that are not covered at all (maybe doesn't bring down the score?) vs areas that are covered but badly?
What's OpenSignal's agenda (ie how do they make money)?
etc etc etc

You have to be ridiculously naive in 2022 to trot out something like this and just claim "this is the word of god. controversy over".

I mean, come on, give me freaking break! You say that if I parachute to some random place in Finland - not Helsinki, but random location in Finland, and pull out my phone, I will get a 237Mbps 5G connection? B***s**t.
You know that and I know that. So why pretend otherwise.

So if the above is not giving some sort of average speed, what is it giving? Seems like some sort of "fastest speed ever recorded on a network in that country". Which is fine for d**k-measuring purposes but meaningless in terms of "how good does the network feel for everday actual use"!
 
I do hope Apple succeed in making one and not scrap the project. The A and M series of chips are immensely capable and are not power hungry. Hope the modem turns out good as well and in future included in all their mobile devices (incl. Macbooks). Take your time Apple.
They're still filing lots of patents in this space. Here's a recent one:

It's interesting to look at the patent (even just skim it if you're non-technical). Something that's very obvious in pretty much all the recent Apple patents (ie iPhone/Watch stuff) is an obsession with energy; almost every innovation is justified in terms of energy. This patent does the same thing.

It's possible that the primary reason Apple's modem is being delayed is not that it doesn't work or doesn't work well enough, but that Apple believe that with correct engineering (a thousand tweaks to what already exists, one damn thing after another) they can reduce the energy spent in the modem by something that will make a big splash when it ships, like 2x or 3x...
 
oh i thought they somehow integrated it ,im used to qualcom own SOC having qualcom integrated modem ig

When they bought Intel division the thought is Apple would look at integrating modem technology with SoC just like the Snapdragon. I still think that is the case, since as that'll allow for quite a cost reduction, despite having to license Qualcomm patents, either way the two are wed-locked in some capacity.
 
LOl. He used untaxed cash from the Irish account, then proceeded to claim a deduction with the IRS.
Smart

He definitely used the right money, and it seemed like a good move. I only say that because it clearly did not work out as well as he had hoped, and likely does not have the return on investment of most of their other acquisitions.
 
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