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And why not sue over the power management patents in the US? They only won this because Qorvo wouldn't disclose how their chip works.
 
Those phones aren't going to stop selling in Germany. They are selling right now.
Try this: Go to https://www.apple.com/de/ click on "iPhone" and then click on "iPhone 8" or "iPhone 7".
Or perhaps this one: under "iPhone" click "Vergleichen" (compare), select "iPhone 8" or "iPhone 7", scroll down and click the "Kaufen" (buy) button. Good luck with buying one.
I believe that not being able to sell their most "budget" iPhones in Germany is indeed a rather big hit for Apple.
 
Try this: Go to https://www.apple.com/de/ click on "iPhone" and then click on "iPhone 8" or "iPhone 7".
Or perhaps this one: under "iPhone" click "Vergleichen" (compare), select "iPhone 8" or "iPhone 7", scroll down and click the "Kaufen" (buy) button. Good luck with buying one.
I believe that not being able to sell their most "budget" iPhones in Germany is indeed a rather big hit for Apple.
That only impacts Apple's retail stores...the carriers (most of the business) are still selling them.

FYI, Germany hit an all time record for iPhone sales, just reported by Tim Cook in his letter.

"We also expect to set all-time revenue records in several developed countries, including the United States, Canada, Germany, Italy, Spain, the Netherlands and Korea."

Sure, it's not great, but Apple's problems aren't in Germany.
 
Qualcomm's *market cap*: $80-100 Billion depending on some fluctuations in 2018.
Apple's cash on hand: $237.1 Billion

Tim's quaking in his boots.

Are you saying it’s okay for bigger companies to control smaller companies? What exactly is your point here?

Willing to bet you were all for Apple getting samsung phones banned.
 
2019 is off to a very rough start for Apple. Interesting to see where all of it leads this year. Is there a positive turn in the horizon? Right now I fail to see one.

Apple is far from doomed, and can survive the storm, but it's nonetheless hitting them hard.
Hopefully, Apple can use this as a learning lesson. Prices are higher than what the market can bear and you can’t just take what you want/need without giving fair compensation in return. I know Apple will make things right and they’ll be fine. However, I increasingly believe that it will take someone other than Tim to make that so.
 
Tim should buy 51% of Qualcomm and then fire all its staff. Fight fire with fire!
To do so, only 25% of the stocks and an additional ingle share (a.k.a. blocking minority threshold) would be required, genius.
 
What's the logic in banning it in Germany only? Anyone who wants one will just go to any of the neighbouring EU countries and buy their phone. Sure its a little more inconvenient, but still not out of the realm of possibility for most people.

If they banned the sales in the entire EU, that would leave a mark.

Because each EU countries has its own laws and their own legal process to follow. Just the same as the the US legal system doesn't any bearing on the legal system, and its sovereignty, in Canada… or does it?
 
To do so, only 25% of the stocks and an additional ingle share (a.k.a. blocking minority threshold) would be required, genius.

Then do so! Fire and Fury!!! Or make the former Qualcomm Management Patent Trolls scrub the toilet bowls!
 
Hopefully, Apple can use this as a learning lesson. Prices are higher than what the market can bear and you can’t just take what you want/need without giving fair compensation in return. I know Apple will make things right and they’ll be fine. However, I increasingly believe that it will take someone other than Tim to make that so.

I'm sure they can fix it too. But I have a suspicion that doing so won't be as easy simply "dropping prices". A lot of internal goings on will have to change before that happens because you firstly need to stop the need of such profits. For instance as a single example, autonomous car projects aren't cheap to fund and less so to implement into an actual vehicle… where do you think that funding comes from?

My fear for Apple is that they're done irreparable damage already and given this is very subjective I'm only going to speak for myself here. I switch to Android September 2018 and I'm happy with what I can buy for 300-400€ (including taxes). Even if Apple were to take a third off the price of the Xs its still not going to result in my returning to Apple. Apple now has to earn my money by giving me a better option in the 300-400€ price point rather than before where all they needed to do was to offer me something at 600€ and I'd be lazy and just buy it. They've totally lost that "free pass" on my purchases and I can almost guarantee you my tablet purchase next year won't be a replacement iPad.
 
What's the logic in banning it in Germany only? Anyone who wants one will just go to any of the neighbouring EU countries and buy their phone. Sure its a little more inconvenient, but still not out of the realm of possibility for most people.

If they banned the sales in the entire EU, that would leave a mark.

Huh, little more inconvenient?? Am I supposed to take a 4 or 5 hour train ride to Amsterdam or Paris which would costs me 250 Euros just for the train ticket so I can go to an Apple store where nobody speaks german? Compared to just walking down to the next phone shop and holding the phone in my hands within 10 minutes.

It seems you don't understand the size of Europe and that every country has its own language.
 
I'm sure they can fix it too. But I have a suspicion that doing so won't be as easy simply "dropping prices". A lot of internal goings on will have to change before that happens because you firstly need to stop the need of such profits. For instance as a single example, autonomous car projects aren't cheap to fund and less so to implement into an actual vehicle… where do you think that funding comes from?

My fear for Apple is that they're done irreparable damage already and given this is very subjective I'm only going to speak for myself here. I switch to Android September 2018 and I'm happy with what I can buy for 300-400€ (including taxes). Even if Apple were to take a third off the price of the Xs its still not going to result in my returning to Apple. Apple now has to earn my money by giving me a better option in the 300-400€ price point rather than before where all they needed to do was to offer me something at 600€ and I'd be lazy and just buy it. They've totally lost that "free pass" on my purchases and I can almost guarantee you my tablet purchase next year won't be a replacement iPad.

Then you aren't Apple's target demographic. Apple doesn't make phones for people who want to spend $350-$450 (roughly converted from euro) and they never will. Doing so would "cheapen" the brand and commoditize the iPhone, which really would be the beginning of the end.

And good luck finding a decent tablet that isn't an iPad.
 
I wonder what happens if I want to get a new 8 Plus via Apple Care. Do I get the XR? Apple removed the iPhone 8 and 7 from Apple Store now.
 
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Because each EU countries has its own laws and their own legal process to follow. Just the same as the the US legal system doesn't any bearing on the legal system, and its sovereignty, in Canada… or does it?

Actually, there’s a big difference between the relationship Canada has with the US and Germany has with, let’s say the Netherlands or Luxembourg.

At the most important and simultaneously most basic level, there are no trade barriers such as tariffs between European countries. Europe has a so called ‘single market’ that is defined by its four freedoms: Freedom of goods, freedom of capital, freedom of services and freedom of labour (= movement of people).

If you take a closer look however, you’ll also find that a lot of the laws regulating everyday life, such as a simple purchase agreement are heavily influenced by European directives or directly rely on European law.

No matter the country in which you buy an iPhone as a consumer, as long as it’s in Europe you can be pretty sure the rights you have (e.g. the right to demand free repair if you have a faulty device) are the same. One major piece of legislation is the directive 1999/44/EC on certain aspects of the sale of consumer goods and associated guarantees. If you want to read more about those things, here are some links:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Single_Market

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:31999L0044&from=DE
 
Qualcomm is buying time to develop a decent enough processor to be able to build a competitor to the Laptop/Tablet compatible ARM chips that could compete with Intels. Currently Only Apple Ax series of embedded ARM processors can give competing benchmarks against i5's.

There is another imminent war for the post PC world, the revolution was lead by iPad now Post PC the second war is coming. Qualcomm better be ready the new chips or Apple will iPod the market.
 
except 99% of their cash reserves are stashed in overseas tax havens.

Except it’s not. Are you not aware of the tax reform bill that was passed over a year ago? This allowed companies to finally repatriate their overseas cash, and Apple announced they were doing so and making the single largest U.S. tax payment in history ($38 Billion if memory serves).
 
Too bad Qualcomm doesn’t put that 1.5 billion toward R&D coming up with a chip that can actually compete with a Bionic chip. :confused:
 
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Hopefully, Apple can use this as a learning lesson. Prices are higher than what the market can bear and you can’t just take what you want/need without giving fair compensation in return. I know Apple will make things right and they’ll be fine. However, I increasingly believe that it will take someone other than Tim to make that so.
Then why did the X sell so well and Apple had a great 2017, if people didn't tolerate the high prices?

Apple is fine and will do fine under Tim. After all their guidance was off and they only now expect $84B in this quarter? What a let down. /s
 
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That’s how it works in Germany. It is very easy to get a preliminary injunction, but you need to put up a bond to pay for damages if you fail to get a permanent injunction. So this may end up with Qualcomm paying $1.5bn to Apple.

I suspect Qualcomm doesn’t quite understand how a preliminary injunction in Germany works. Contrary to their claim, a German court has _not_ decided that Apple has infringed on anything. The court decided that Qualcomm made a claim and put money into escrow to pay for damages, should the final decision go against them.
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What's the logic in banning it in Germany only? Anyone who wants one will just go to any of the neighbouring EU countries and buy their phone. Sure its a little more inconvenient, but still not out of the realm of possibility for most people.

If they banned the sales in the entire EU, that would leave a mark.
But then the bond wouldn’t be $1.5bn, but $10bn. Qualcomm has to put up money so if the final injunction is rejected, Apple gets paid for the damage caused.
 
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Then why did the X sell so well and Apple had a great 2017, if people didn't tolerate the high prices?

Apple is fine and will do fine under Tim. After all their guidance was off and they only now expect $84B in this quarter? What a let down. /s
They don’t seem to be tolerating those high prices now as well as Tim had hoped for. I guess this will make Apple reevaluate their prices for 2019 and perhaps even push them to be a little more aggressive on their next iPhone than they thought they had to be when it comes to features/design. Perhaps, Apple will copy the punch hole in the display that Samsung is using on the S10 sooner than 2020.
 
iPhone 7 and iPhone 8 have disappeared on the German Apple website: https://www.apple.com/de/iphone/

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