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Qualcomm Supply Issues Providing Further Fuel for Speculation of Fall iPhone Release
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It's a tough call to build in a chip that will handle both LTE and international 4G knowing that over 90% of users will never use their phones outside the USA. That's like building old TVs that operate using both PAL and NTSC signals. It's unfortunate tha USA companies don't latch onto international standards.
Plus deciding what chip is in it just look at the new iPad. Since every iPad launch has the cellular chip that the same iPad chip shown up in the iPhone release later that same year?
I'd like a new iPhone 5 to be released now rather then later. I don't mind waiting as long as the next iphone is a redesign over the 4 and not just add in LTE.
Agreed. Even if this chip was delayed and they did have to release one more 3G iPhone people would keep buying and there would be very few complaints on this message board.
Tangentially related: Intel is open to using their fabs to produce SoCs for apple: http://t.co/QIx2nwbp
It doesn't matter to me either way. My next upgrade is September 2013. 
You all know what that means----- iphone 7th gen, iphone 6, or new iPhone (2013 model) whichever they choose to call it by then.
You all know what that means----- iphone 7th gen, iphone 6, or new iPhone (2013 model) whichever they choose to call it by then.
That would certainly be handy but Qualcomm makes that decision.
No matter what since this product is likely to have an almost 3 year life cycle, just double the production lines supporting it.
If, hypothetically, the A6 was a stacked design with a dual core CPU, dual core GPU, 2 layers of memory, and a baseband chip, and Apple simply licenses the IP from Qualcomm for the baseband, and Nvidia for the GPU, it could make a single chip solution.
A generation or two from now (14nm) it could enable the iPod Nano form factor iPhone/iPad. Voiced activation and head's up and projected displays and keyboards.
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Qualcomm has nothing to do with that decision. It's about whether Intel will build ARM based SoCs for Apple.
The iPhone was never going to launch in June:
1) No iPhone has ever been released without a new version of iOS to go along with it.
2) iOS 6 has not even hit beta stage yet. It would have done so already like in years previous to 2011.
3) The current iPhone would only be 9 months old in June.
4) Because LTE networks are just being built, the longer they wait, the more of them there are.
5) There is almost zero chance TSMC would have produced enough Qualcomm LTE chipsets for a June launch. That means they would be making them in volume right now, which I doubt since Qualcomm has prioritized its 28nm orders for the MSM8960 for launch in phones right now.
The one thing Apple cannot keep secret is road maps of partners products and their past history. Combine the two together and you can see why any suggestion of a June launch is delusional.
1) No iPhone has ever been released without a new version of iOS to go along with it.
2) iOS 6 has not even hit beta stage yet. It would have done so already like in years previous to 2011.
3) The current iPhone would only be 9 months old in June.
4) Because LTE networks are just being built, the longer they wait, the more of them there are.
5) There is almost zero chance TSMC would have produced enough Qualcomm LTE chipsets for a June launch. That means they would be making them in volume right now, which I doubt since Qualcomm has prioritized its 28nm orders for the MSM8960 for launch in phones right now.
The one thing Apple cannot keep secret is road maps of partners products and their past history. Combine the two together and you can see why any suggestion of a June launch is delusional.
At&t LTE is around the corner.
By the time the NEW iPhone is launched, ATT should have Philly LTE up and running. I am sure it will be much sooner, but for me personally it won't matter until Apple releases an LTE device.
Not sure if I will stick with Verizon or not, but I'm one of the few who has actually had a better experience with ATT then I have Verizon.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1601358
By the time the NEW iPhone is launched, ATT should have Philly LTE up and running. I am sure it will be much sooner, but for me personally it won't matter until Apple releases an LTE device.
Not sure if I will stick with Verizon or not, but I'm one of the few who has actually had a better experience with ATT then I have Verizon.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1601358
The same but better...
Not going to happen. It will be *new*, but it will look *old*. New gorilla glass, IGZO screen, New LTE, NFC, iPhone 4 deprecated, iPhone 4s becomes new midrange (99 dollar) phone). 3 gs free, 4s 99 dollars, New iPhone, 199. It will be the exact same size, buttons in the exact same place, 30 pin connector exactly where it was. There is some chance the internal bezel shrinks an 1/8th of an inch in all directions, but number of pixels remains the same. but the screen will be much closer to home button, and ear piece. But not so much of an increase to change most cases or make the phone any less "one handed".
Ok, my shot in the dark feature. It will contain an infrared LED near the camera. This will enable TV remote features, AND will be usable for night filming. There will also be a receiver, for training and communication, and this will likely be near the camera, but may indeed be on the front of the phone, or in supplied ear-buds. This will also be usable for assisted listening in movie theaters, the symphony and other places. I think we may also see them turn on the "radio" that ships in the phone. This is the "drive-in" feature, and will allow LOW POWER receiver, there is also a small chance of having low power transmitter as well.
Dramatically better battery life, faster LTE connection, better more interesting video, better connected phone for voice, television, theater, the car, wherever you may be, the iPhone, still the best, and it's better.
Not going to happen. It will be *new*, but it will look *old*. New gorilla glass, IGZO screen, New LTE, NFC, iPhone 4 deprecated, iPhone 4s becomes new midrange (99 dollar) phone). 3 gs free, 4s 99 dollars, New iPhone, 199. It will be the exact same size, buttons in the exact same place, 30 pin connector exactly where it was. There is some chance the internal bezel shrinks an 1/8th of an inch in all directions, but number of pixels remains the same. but the screen will be much closer to home button, and ear piece. But not so much of an increase to change most cases or make the phone any less "one handed".
Ok, my shot in the dark feature. It will contain an infrared LED near the camera. This will enable TV remote features, AND will be usable for night filming. There will also be a receiver, for training and communication, and this will likely be near the camera, but may indeed be on the front of the phone, or in supplied ear-buds. This will also be usable for assisted listening in movie theaters, the symphony and other places. I think we may also see them turn on the "radio" that ships in the phone. This is the "drive-in" feature, and will allow LOW POWER receiver, there is also a small chance of having low power transmitter as well.
Dramatically better battery life, faster LTE connection, better more interesting video, better connected phone for voice, television, theater, the car, wherever you may be, the iPhone, still the best, and it's better.
How do you estimate the early termination fee?
How do you estimate the early termination fee? (By that I mean early upgrade fee.) I think the subsidy comes out to $450, and that it's recouped over 18 months, so that basically you can estimate the early termination/upgrade fee at $25/month remaining out the first 18 months. So after a year, it would be 6x25, or $150 for the early termination/upgrade fee. Is that correct?
How do you estimate the early termination fee? (By that I mean early upgrade fee.) I think the subsidy comes out to $450, and that it's recouped over 18 months, so that basically you can estimate the early termination/upgrade fee at $25/month remaining out the first 18 months. So after a year, it would be 6x25, or $150 for the early termination/upgrade fee. Is that correct?
AT&T: $325 - $10 for each month you've had service.
Verizon: $350 - $10 for each mont you've had service.
Since the subsidy is higher than the ETF for the iPhone, that's why carriers secretly wish people would be other phones instead because they would make $100 more off of you. $100 per phone * millions of users is not chump change, especially when you start everyone using smartphones in a couple of years.
This is why Verizon continues to push Android and AT&T is taking a chance with Windows Phone; iPhones cost them money relative to other platforms (and I haven't even gotten into the fact that Android and Windows Phone lets them preload their own branded apps onto the device, leading to more revenue for them)
Voice already isn't the primary use of smartphones, SMS revenues are beginning to dry up due to iMessage, BBM, Whatsapp and other messaging services, and carriers haven't figured out how to charge for data yet other than silly caps. And when a Voice over LTE arrives, there will be zero difference between that and a Skype call, it's all IP Telephony that's at that point (so why should I pay $40 for 450 minutes when a Skype package is FAR cheaper?)
Regardless, a lot goes on in the mind of a wireless carrier. If we aren't aware of what they are doing, we are going to get screwed.
Thanks!! It would be great if someone came out with a data-only service for a data-only phone. That would be awesome - a world-wide, data-only service (no roaming) that you just use Skype with, wherever you are.
Perchance to dream....
