Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
The iPhone can already do HD voice, its the carrier that controls sound quality. On Verizon I had issues just making takeout orders because of the sound quality, on T-Mobile it sounds as good as having the person next to me.
Verizon supports HD voice. I've been using it for a couple of months and it sounds amazing.
 
Really? I didn't think they did. Their 150mbps downlink cap can be achieved through a single 20x20 channel.

I'm pretty confident that this is the case. I remember reading of 100Mbps+ tests on AT&T using 6/6+ on <20x20/15x15 channels, so assuming CA to some extent.

Yep I saw someone who had 160-170mbps speedtests on their 6S on T-Mobile in NYC. Someone allegedly broke 200mbps in Staten Island using an iPhone 6s on AT&T but I am not sure if that's even real or not. It had to have been done through 3x CA which I don't think the iPhone 6s supports does it? Maybe I'm wrong.

Here's one from Twitter with 2x CA (20+10 / band 4+band 2) on a 6s/6s+.
DMDPrfT.jpg
 



X12-250x227.png
While several rumors point towards Apple switching to Intel as its primary supplier of LTE modems for the iPhone 7 series, the consensus remains that longtime supplier Qualcomm will continue to share a portion of orders.

Assuming at least a percentage of orders go to Qualcomm, which has been the exclusive provider of LTE modems in iPhones for over three years, its X12 modem is a likely candidate for LTE and Wi-Fi connectivity on iPhone 7.

Qualcomm's X12 chipsets, announced in September 2015, feature theoretical LTE category 12 download speeds up to 600 Mbps and LTE category 13 upload speeds up to 150 Mbps. The lineup, including the MDM9x45 and MDM9x40 chipsets, also support LTE Advanced carrier aggregation, 4x4 MIMO, LTE-U small cells, and automatic LTE and Wi-Fi switching.

4G-250x108.png
LTE Advanced enables data transfer between multiple cell towers to allow for higher data rates with lower latency across the network, translating to faster speeds for browsing the web, downloading apps, streaming video, and other data-related tasks.
The MDM9x45 would be an appropriate successor to Qualcomm's MDM9635 modem in the iPhone 6s series, which provides theoretical downlink speeds up to 300 Mbps and uplink speeds up to 50 Mbps. The X12 has already been adopted in several flagship Android smartphones equipped with the Snapdragon 820 processor, including the Samsung Galaxy S7, LG G5, and Xiaomi Mi5.


Comparatively, Apple is rumored to use Intel's XMM 7360 LTE modem [PDF] with theoretical download speeds up to 450 Mbps and upload speeds up to 100 Mbps. The chip also features LTE Advanced with 3x carrier aggregation and support for up to 29 LTE bands overall, VoLTE, dual SIM cards, and LTE and Wi-Fi interworking.

Provided that rumors about Apple sourcing LTE modems from both Intel and Qualcomm are accurate, it remains unclear how the chipsets will be divided. The split could be based on certain iPhone models or SKUs, or perhaps Apple will elect to use Intel modems in certain regions and Qualcomm modems in others.


Qualcomm also introduced the X16, the world's first announced Gigabit-class LTE modem, in February 2016, but the chipset is unlikely to make its way into iPhones until at least late 2017. The X16 supports 4x20 MHz carrier aggregation to achieve unprecedented theoretical download speeds up to 1 Gbps and peak upload speeds up to 150 Mbps. Real-world speeds, however, are often limited by carriers.

The bottom line for end users is that the iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus/Pro will likely have much faster peak LTE and Wi-Fi speeds, regardless of whether the chipsets are sourced from Intel, Qualcomm, or a combination of the two. While true speeds ultimately rely upon carriers, the upgrade should be a welcomed improvement for data-heavy users in the U.S. and around the world.

Article Link: Qualcomm's Fast X12 LTE Modem is Appropriate Candidate for iPhone 7
Next time you can't sleep read this 3 times.
 
It was a joke about US data plans. I understand what you are saying, that's correct.
Yeah I know you were joking but it still sort of made me think about how many here are saying that these speeds are completely unnecessary, given the data caps. But it's more about capacity than speed really. Speed and capacity sort of come with each other.
 
Considering there is zero difference between the "3G", "4G" and "LTE" speeds where I live, I doubt this will make any difference. I'm sure somewhere someone will be happy for this change but I doubt it will impact us in the sticks at all.
 
Considering there is zero difference between the "3G", "4G" and "LTE" speeds where I live, I doubt this will make any difference. I'm sure somewhere someone will be happy for this change but I doubt it will impact us in the sticks at all.
Is this just because of poor signal or?

I'd consider myself living in a rural area (town of only 900ish) and I can get 60mbps down and 10mbps up in some areas, but on average it is 20-30 down and 5 up.

Verizon's 10x10 band 13 is really nice because it can reach ~74mbps if there is little traffic (often the case in rural areas). We get 10x10 band 4 as well here, which has even less people using it than band 13, so yeah.
 
Think about the money. What will make the key players- AT&T, Verizon, etc- more money? Burn data allotments faster and faster to roll people into higher tiers. That's what I think "faster" LTE is mostly about, not delivering some added benefit for us consumers.

Or, I think "faster" LTE is much like "thinner" iDevices. There was a benefit for us consumers several years ago but now it's clung too much like some car companies still think all of us are drag racing our hot rods every weekend (as if it's still 1962).

Yeah. This way our mobile web pages can get loaded up with more crud when we mainly want to read some text. More data but limited additional utility for the user.
 
The iPhone can already do HD voice, its the carrier that controls sound quality. On Verizon I had issues just making takeout orders because of the sound quality, on T-Mobile it sounds as good as having the person next to me.

I'm in the UK, and as far as I know, EE, O2, Three, Vodafone all have HD Voice. The only catch is, both parties need to be on the same network for HD Voice to work, else otherwise its standard call quality.

Myself and most of the people I call most are on the EE network. The quality is superb and is like you say, like having the person next to you.
[doublepost=1464214056][/doublepost]
Still waiting for landline quality voice on the go.

The iPhone is capable of HD Voice. It's the carrier that is responsible for enabling it.

All the main networks here in the UK have HD Voice and it's far superior to landline call quality. The only downside is, both parties need to be on the same network for HD Voice to work, else otherwise is standard call quality.

I'm on the EE network and talking to someone else on EE, the call quality is superb, its like talking to them face to face.
 
Pretty sure this is the way cable modems and landlines will be put to rest. One day these will be fast enough to power even home devices like TVs and gaming consoles. Invest in Verizon and ATT and sell cable companies.
 
I'm pretty confident that this is the case. I remember reading of 100Mbps+ tests on AT&T using 6/6+ on <20x20/15x15 channels, so assuming CA to some extent.



Here's one from Twitter with 2x CA (20+10 / band 4+band 2) on a 6s/6s+.
DMDPrfT.jpg

HOLY CRAP!!! And yeah if a what showed up as a 10x10 channel resulted in 100mbps or so, CA DEFINITELY was there, ~74ish mbps is the max of a 10x10 channel so. And that 100mbps definitely happened on a 6/6+? I think the 6/6+ support 2xCA then and the 6s/6s+ support 3xCA. So why isn't that 200mbps possible on a 6/6+? They just can't handle anything higher than 150mbps even though they technically can bond channels that would have the capability of surpassing that?
 
I won't be picking up my iphone 7 in the year 2025 and be amazed that the faster LTE chip is finally up to its advertised potential.
 
This does absolutely nothing if the carrier can not even get the base speed of LTE to your device. So we can march forward to 1 gigabit all we want but VZW and ATT will never even approach those speeds due to there over saturation problem. So this is a pointless feature. They could but a old school low voltage LTE in and not a single customer in america would notice the change.


Very true. Honestly most days in Orlando I get speeds similar to what I got years ago when I had the iPhone 3G- and hardly anybody else did. LTE might be wonderful but saturation limits us in this town to 5-10mbps max it seems like most days and often slower. AT&T here.
 
We are already up to the point (beyond even) that mobile speeds superseeds our home easily.... Speeds for me on mobile mean absolutely nothing, since you carrier charges u for data over and above x meg/gig whatever..

until u get to a point where we can start using out mobiles and do away with cable for large downloads, mobile will always be second best, even if speeds *are* higher.

If u'r chosen mobile plan(s) were so good, why arn't we all using them instead of out ISP ?

i get 21 max on 4G, and to me,, if its faster than my DSL, then i'm happy.. More is always good, but not required.
 
  • Like
Reactions: fluamsler
So why isn't that 200mbps possible on a 6/6+? They just can't handle anything higher than 150mbps even though they technically can bond channels that would have the capability of surpassing that?

I think it's just Apple's limitations, which allows them to easily lay out a roadmap of upgrades (5s: 100Mbps, 6/6+: 150Mbps, 6s/6s+: 300Mbps, 7/7+: 450Mbps, etc.).
 
Weird how they're always striving to develop faster LTE chips and adopt them in phones, but it's hardly the most pressing issue for most people. The average person gets nowhere near the theoretical limits of chips made years ago, let alone new ones, because of real world infrastructure issues.

Maybe so, but, I did notice and absolutely do like the performance (range, speed) of the LTE modem in the 6S. Even people with relatively low data caps still benefit from the performance when doing a quick map update for example (doesn't use much data).
 
The carrier networks would collapse if everyone had this chip in their phone.

Actually that's the exact opposite of what would happen.

The technologies in the Snapdragon X12 modem are designed to increase network capacity. The faster speeds that users experience is actually a by-product of that.

As a matter of fact, the more the mix of users in the cell that shift to higher capability modems, the better the user experience becomes for all users in the cell. That's because people with the faster modems occupy the air for less time to get their downloads and uploads done, so they free up the network for other users faster. So even if you have a phone with an older, less capable modem, your actual speeds go up.

This is the root cause for the pursuit of these ever more capable modems and network features.
 
  • Like
Reactions: fluamsler
...translating to faster speeds for browsing the web, downloading apps, streaming video, and other data-related tasks

Thank you for explaining what data is for... :p
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.