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The main advantage is to the carrier not the end user. Like a traffic jam, if only the front car would go faster, all cars could go faster. Faster LTE speeds means less tower time and less network time and thus increased network availability for surge usage. I doubt the end user experience is improved much. A 1K or 4K stream is only so bandwidth hungry. Then you have excess network capacity. You might get a bit less stuttering in streaming, but not much. It will be more suitable for dense population uses like football games, concerts, or fairs.
 
All well and good, but latency is still the killer.

I've had LTE speeds in my area well over 40 Mbps on average for a long time, and no matter what the performance on LTE is never as good as on WiFi.
What sort of latency do you generally see? I'm always under 30ms myself.
 
All well and good, but latency is still the killer.

I've had LTE speeds in my area well over 40 Mbps on average for a long time, and no matter what the performance on LTE is never as good as on WiFi.

For sure on that...

In the SF Bay Area it's difficult having a conversation sometimes without inadvertently cutting off the other person.
 
Weird how they're always striving to develop faster LTE chips and adopt them in phones, but it's hardly the most pressing issue for most people. The average person gets nowhere near the theoretical limits of chips made years ago, let alone new ones, because of real world infrastructure issues.

There are a lot of people who have some kind of self-obsessed need to have the latest and supposedly greatest phone, so that they can brag to others about their phone station in life. It can, (new LTE chip) and will be used as a selling gimmick, to help spurn phone sales.
 
This does absolutely nothing if the carrier can not even get the base speed of LTE to your device. So we can march forward to 1 gigabit all we want but VZW and ATT will never even approach those speeds due to there over saturation problem. So this is a pointless feature. They could but a old school low voltage LTE in and not a single customer in america would notice the change.

You have no idea what you are talking about. I regularly get 80MB/s on my ipad today. Was that possible 5 years ago? 3 years ago? Do you think that just magically happened? No, there was an unbelievable amount of work that goes into providing these advances, and it starts with introducing new technologies all the time.

Yes, it takes time to get new stuff to market, which should be interesting to readers of tech blogs, not just fodder for slamming the very companies you depend on for connecting a lot of your world.

Enjoy the ride, and stop being so negative. It's a lot nicer on this side of that fence.
 
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The speed of the modem is completely pointless when data caps are so low and additional data is so expensive.

Them: "STREAM EVERYTHING... AND FAST!!!!"

Me, 1 day into a new billing period: "Aaaaand, I'm out of data."
 
The iPhone can already do HD voice, its the carrier that controls sound quality. On Verizon I had issues just making takeout orders because of the sound quality, on T-Mobile it sounds as good as having the person next to me.

I'm in the UK and HD Voice is brilliant. Just wish Vodafone UK would enable VoLTE/LTE-A in more places!
 
Weird how they're always striving to develop faster LTE chips and adopt them in phones, but it's hardly the most pressing issue for most people. The average person gets nowhere near the theoretical limits of chips made years ago, let alone new ones, because of real world infrastructure issues.

Think about the money. What will make the key players- AT&T, Verizon, etc- more money? Burn data allotments faster and faster to roll people into higher tiers. That's what I think "faster" LTE is mostly about, not delivering some added benefit for us consumers.

Or, I think "faster" LTE is much like "thinner" iDevices. There was a benefit for us consumers several years ago but now it's clung too much like some car companies still think all of us are drag racing our hot rods every weekend (as if it's still 1962).
 
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If there is a division between the chips my guess is it will be based on model differentiation between 7 and 7+. Because. (Science!)
 
My money is on there will be a 16GB base unit.
I'll bet that at least the 7+ will start at 32 GB. They've first moved the 12.9" iPad Pro, then the 9.7" iPad Pro to 32 GB as the entry level. The next device in line for this shift would be the 5.5" iPhone.
 
The iPhone can already do HD voice, its the carrier that controls sound quality. On Verizon I had issues just making takeout orders because of the sound quality, on T-Mobile it sounds as good as having the person next to me.

Hmm, another reason to switch to T-Mobile? They've also rolled out a bit of their super fast network in NYC. It is literally on something like a block by block radius, but it would cover some areas that I frequent. Don't need it at home since I'm on wifi then.

I used to carry phones on two networks because of differences in coverage. The cost savings of bundling and sharing data made me stop. But with plans getting cheaper I might start doing that again and try T-Mobile.
 
I'm pretty sure the 6/6+ also supports LTE Advanced / carrier aggregation...
Really? I didn't think they did. Their 150mbps downlink cap can be achieved through a single 20x20 channel.
I keep getting a pop up on my 6s for carrier update from Verizon I wonder if it's this new LTE advanced? I haven't accepted it yet.
LTE Advanced (Carrier Aggregation, or, use of multiple LTE bands at once for higher combined speeds) is a hardware-level feature.So no that carrier settings update does not just enable CA.

Also, you will not see any improvements from a carrier aggregation-enabled phone unless you are in an area that actually has carrier aggregation enabled on the cell site(s).
A 6GB data plan could be used in 48 seconds on a 1Gbps LTE connection, haha. Sigh…
Yeah lol the only thing that is limiting carriers is the data caps they enforce. I wish their networks could be built out enough so that they could support unlimited usage from everybody (or just have higher caps at a lower cost) but here in the US we are "stretched thin" unlike places like South Korea or some European countries. Carriers here have to focus on building new sites in new areas for more coverage rather than new sites in the same city for higher capacity. T-Mobile actually has a dense enough network in some places though wehre they offer 2 lines of 6GB of data each for only $70/mo. So we are getting dense in some areas but still as a whole, the US is not dense enough.
This does absolutely nothing if the carrier can not even get the base speed of LTE to your device. So we can march forward to 1 gigabit all we want but VZW and ATT will never even approach those speeds due to there over saturation problem. So this is a pointless feature. They could but a old school low voltage LTE in and not a single customer in america would notice the change.
Over saturation? What do you mean? Are you referring to too many people being on their network or?

5G is in testing, which in theory will deliver 1-2gbps speeds on millimeter waves. This is aimed more at wireless ISP sort of use than cell coverage, because millimeter waves do not cover well AT ALL. Usually they only would be deployed to go in a single direction, and depending on how high the frequency actually is and how much power is being applied, it would drop by simply having a person in front of you get in the way of the cell site. It would be, more or less, direct-line-of-site coverage only from what I've heard.
LTE-A and aggregation is supported only on 6s/6s+, not 6/6+. Even SE doesn't support it.
This is what I thought because of the 150mbps maximum the 6/6+/SE have. This is the cap for a single, 20x20mhz channel. I can't find anywhere that confirms what is really going on though.
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Hmm, another reason to switch to T-Mobile? They've also rolled out a bit of their super fast network in NYC. It is literally on something like a block by block radius, but it would cover some areas that I frequent. Don't need it at home since I'm on wifi then.

I used to carry phones on two networks because of differences in coverage. The cost savings of bundling and sharing data made me stop. But with plans getting cheaper I might start doing that again and try T-Mobile.
Yep I saw someone who had 160-170mbps speedtests on their 6S on T-Mobile in NYC. Someone allegedly broke 200mbps in Staten Island using an iPhone 6s on AT&T but I am not sure if that's even real or not. It had to have been done through 3x CA which I don't think the iPhone 6s supports does it? Maybe I'm wrong.
 
Well if Apple do switch to intel, there might be buggy first gen baseband firmware that can be exploited. Nono of this mature Qualcomm stuff.
 
Year 2025, US data plans are renamed by the seconds of available data:

24 seconds
48 seconds
1 minute

And the one for millionaires, a 1 day data plan.
I dont get why people are making this argument. The guy I quoted right below this got it spot on.

What you're saying is assuming people will be downloading a single ~6GB file on their 1gbps connection with a 6GB data plan. That's not going to happen. People will continue with their usual phone usage.

The main advantage is to the carrier not the end user. Like a traffic jam, if only the front car would go faster, all cars could go faster. Faster LTE speeds means less tower time and less network time and thus increased network availability for surge usage. I doubt the end user experience is improved much. A 1K or 4K stream is only so bandwidth hungry. Then you have excess network capacity. You might get a bit less stuttering in streaming, but not much. It will be more suitable for dense population uses like football games, concerts, or fairs.
Exactly. This is more about capacity than anything else.
What sort of latency do you generally see? I'm always under 30ms myself.
I usually see ~40-60ms. perfectly usable imo. My home internet connection is 50ms through any server accept a Time Warner Cable server. If I connect to a TWC server I see 10-15ms. I have a 15/1 connection for $60/mo. Fun. I'd rather use the 40/10 LTE with 60ms delay than the 15/1 with 50ms and about 2 outtages a day.
You have no idea what you are talking about. I regularly get 80MB/s on my ipad today. Was that possible 5 years ago? 3 years ago? Do you think that just magically happened? No, there was an unbelievable amount of work that goes into providing these advances, and it starts with introducing new technologies all the time.

Yes, it takes time to get new stuff to market, which should be interesting to readers of tech blogs, not just fodder for slamming the very companies you depend on for connecting a lot of your world.

Enjoy the ride, and stop being so negative. It's a lot nicer on this side of that fence.
I think you mean 80mbps, not 80MBs? 80MBs is 640mbps. No LTE carrier in the world has that deployed publicly. And yeah, as you said, this process takes YEARS. The FCC is only clearing so much spectrum to auction off and for the carriers to use. It is all a slow process, acquiring the licences, running backhaul to the sites, waiting for certain areas to move to different channels for TV stations (Channel 51 and the 700A spectrum T-Mobile uses for their band 12 "extended range LTE") so the cell signals don't cause interference to television broadcasts, etc.

The speed of the modem is completely pointless when data caps are so low and additional data is so expensive.

Them: "STREAM EVERYTHING... AND FAST!!!!"

Me, 1 day into a new billing period: "Aaaaand, I'm out of data."

This isn't how much data is being transferred/measured for billing, it's the rate at which the same volume of data is transferred, which plays into capacity. This will be a new age for WISPs (Wireless Internet Service Providers) and cell service in huge, crowded areas like sporting events or concerts as a much higher amount of capacity will be available.
 
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wooohooo grandfathered unlimited plans!

wooohooo for how long?
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Weird how they're always striving to develop faster LTE chips and adopt them in phones, but it's hardly the most pressing issue for most people. The average person gets nowhere near the theoretical limits of chips made years ago, let alone new ones, because of real world infrastructure issues.

Yeah, another case of theoretical vs. the real world.
 
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