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To be fair the 7-9 day battery life on the 235 is just for using it as activity tracker and for notifications. When you fire up the GPS and optical heart rate monitor for training (running for example) you only get a max of 11 hours usage. Of course those numbers are still substantially better than the Apple Watch so the 235 is still a compelling product.

Huh? Really, 11h running with the GPS on... Seriously, are you for real. Even the Iphone 6 with 3-4 times the battery doesn't get 11h GPS, though the 6s+ will.
Unless you train more than 3h straight with the 38mm, you'll get to your 11 hours...
 
YOU need to read more articles (or remove the blinkers), because it has been very successful.
BTW give me those "many articles", so I grind them down (or grind the sources...) and counter them.

What exactly are your sources for stating the Apple Watch is "very successful"? Everything I've read is speculation. Apple has made no official statements as to actual units sold.

Your assuming a usable space of 100% and no bezel seemingly, none of these are the case in round watches. The difference is much bigger than that.

Not really following your statement here. I've already demonstrated there is no bezel on most round watches like Huawei, and exact scale comparison to the iPhone I've posted here before and again here. Apple has chosen a very thick bezel around their watch. Even if they went to the edge, which would impractical in their current design due to warping of the image due to the curved edges of the crystal, it would be about the same mount of space, as the example shows.

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A bigger battery, a bulkier watch and less usable screen... Fantastic...
Have you actually seen the other round watches in person... A trip at best buy is illuminating.

Since when is what other manufacturers setting the benchmark for what Apple is capable of? In all cases, Apple generally out designs their competition on the exact same product. Whatever your concerns are over round smartwatches as they exist in the marketplace today, I would expect Apple to more than mitigate them.

And yes, I've seen a few of these watches, some are horrendous, some aren't bad looking, and some I'd consider wearing. It's a matter of personal taste. Jony Ive has already stated acknowledged that.
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Huh? Really, 11h running with the GPS on... Seriously, are you for real. Even the Iphone 6 with 3-4 times the battery doesn't get 11h GPS, though the 6s+ will.
Unless you train more than 3h straight with the 38mm, you'll get to your 11 hours...

Guess what does -- The Rip Curl Search GPS watch. It delivers 10 hours of continuous GPS tracking on a single charge. It's a given that most people using the Watch won't need that kind of aggressive GPS use. For that matter neither do most surfers. Heck my dog's Whistle GPS tracker gets almost a week of GPS tracking on a single charge.
 
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I'm not sure what I want in an Apple Watch 2 at this stage, but I hope it's a huge leap forward.

I agree. I like my Apple Watch but I am not in any hurry to upgrade. I recently broke the 2 year cycle on my iPhone and upgraded from a 6+ to a 6s+ but I don't see myself doing that with the watch unless there are some amazing upgrades. Not sure exactly what "must have" features they would have to add but like you I am hoping it is a huge leap.
 
Something tells me Apple's about to write off lots of AW version 1 models that go unsold... as they're replaced by AW version 2 in hopes of stimulating sales.
 
I can never understand people asking for this, nonsensical! Battery life is one of the few issues I don't have with mine. Gets me through a day with plenty to spare, why need more?

Because not everyone uses their Apple Watch just to read the time or get message notifications.
When I buy a piece of technology is to use it to its maximum potential, not just for the looks.
For me, it's not a toy, it's a tool. If I'm not squeezing the heck out of it, then it's something I don't need.

In my case, one full day of battery means I'll be out of power by 2:00pm
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It either has to last ONE FULL DAY and you charge it every night... or it has to last TWO FULL DAYS so you have the option of skipping a charge one night. Both are acceptable.

But if it only lasts 1.5 days... you'd end up being stuck charging mid-day on the 2nd day so you didn't really gain anything.

So basically... we're asking Apple to DOUBLE battery life... assuming the Apple Watch can last one full day already.

People today can get to the end of the day with 20-30% battery life remaining on their Apple Watch.

But they'd actually need to go to bed with at least 50-60% to guarantee getting through a 2nd full day. Otherwise there's no point in putting in a bigger/better battery.

One full day is fine... two full days is fine... but anything in between is not really gaining anything.

So... can Apple give us such a big increase in battery life in this next generation? Can they basically cut power consumption in HALF so soon?

How about taking advantage of thermal, kinetic and electrical energy generated by the human body? Let's put our bio-battery to good use!
 
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Huh? Who's going to say, "Yes, please give me cropped pictures, maps, and every single other thing on the screen"?

Don't be so negative.

You can, as you are saying... A circle is smaller than a square. Look the corners of the square have been cut off to make the circle, I have less room.

That's the negative way of looking at things.

Or you can be positive.

Oh nice, the circle has added EXTRA space to the flat sides that were a square.

One can see this either way, one can choose to see it in a negative or positive way.

Like right now, the analogue watchfaces Apple used have to be smaller to fit into the square than they would have to be if the area was circular. Likewise any circle can fit anything, it's just a point of scale.
 
Like right now, the analogue watchfaces Apple used have to be smaller to fit into the square than they would have to be if the area was circular.
The Apple Watch isn't even square so they are scaled down to fit the smallest side of the rectangle.

There are pros and cons to both round and rectangular. Analogue watch faces are better suited to a round display and digital faces and messages work better with the rectangle but they all are still easily readable when used with either type of display.
 
Huh? Really, 11h running with the GPS on... Seriously, are you for real. Even the Iphone 6 with 3-4 times the battery doesn't get 11h GPS, though the 6s+ will.
Unless you train more than 3h straight with the 38mm, you'll get to your 11 hours...

I am not here as a salesman for Garmin, by any means, but in my experience this watch lasts for seven days on a single charge, with notifications, heart rate and activity tracker on permanently and GPS for around four hours per week for my running.

As I said in my OP there are a lot of companies doing great work out there in the smart watch space. Hopefully Apple can choose more useful features and add polish to them for Watch Two.
 
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The Apple Watch isn't even square so they are scaled down to fit the smallest side of the rectangle.

There are pros and cons to both round and rectangular. Analogue watch faces are better suited to a round display and digital faces and messages work better with the rectangle but they all are still easily readable when used with either type of display.

I know it's not square, I just said square as it's easier to visualize a square "inside" a circle :)

Likewise, as you can appreciate, it's dead easy to create millions of digital layouts and designs that would look great, and some ever better on a circular display :)

On aspect I like about a circular display, that's not been done yet, is that, if done right (of course) the display on the screen could orientate itself correct to your eyes/angle of view no matter as what angle you were physically holding the watch. :)

I'm not pro or anti either shape.
I just think both have their own advantages.

Circular does allow for more creativity as we've been using squares and rectangles for decades for computers, simply because we could not realistically make a round one even if we wanted to.

I kind of like the idea of text, perhaps like reading an email, that could flow around the screen's circle, not using up an real screen space, perhaps start at the top, when it came to the bottom area, you could read it as it's flowing past, and then it dissapears as it reaches the top.

Like a scrolling message, but it scrolled around the circle to allow you to read a message.
I think that could look pretty cool if done well. :)

And simply, irrespective of anything else, and what anyone else here thinks.
Some people just much prefer a round watch face.
 
I agree. I like my Apple Watch but I am not in any hurry to upgrade. I recently broke the 2 year cycle on my iPhone and upgraded from a 6+ to a 6s+ but I don't see myself doing that with the watch unless there are some amazing upgrades. Not sure exactly what "must have" features they would have to add but like you I am hoping it is a huge leap.
Back when I owned an Apple Watch I did make a little list of features I'd want to see in the next one, before I returned it to Apple. But yeah it's got to be a big leap for me, especially when it comes to health tracking. I'm very excited to see what kind of sensors Apple could cram into that.
 
I suspect there may eventually be, what we could consider to be a mind numblingly obvious answer here, and one that watch makers have learned over the many many years.

You don't try and make one product (watch) that does everything.
No one thing is best at everything.

So, it's logical that, like normal watches, cars, cloths, hammers! screwdrivers, clocks etc etc etc.

You do not make 1 item and desperately try and make is the best at everything.

Obvious really huh?

In time perhaps we will be smart dress watches, smart sport watches, smart gadgety watches.
Round ones, Rectangle ones.

At their core they could all be the same, but different shapes, sizes, and let's call them sensors.

Perhaps apple could end up with half a dozen watch types to appeal to all different people and their different needs.
 
Something tells me Apple's about to write off lots of AW version 1 models that go unsold... as they're replaced by AW version 2 in hopes of stimulating sales.
Yea.. but it depends on what they think is an improvement. If Apple decides to go all in with FaceTime to get those vast numbers of Dick Tracy wannabe nerds then I would definitely be looking on a super deal on the Gen1. If they decide to go with a faster processor using less power and a thinner design then I'd be hot for that and I personally think that that is the plan for Gen2.
 
Something tells me Apple's about to write off lots of AW version 1 models that go unsold... as they're replaced by AW version 2 in hopes of stimulating sales.
What tells you that? Does Apple write off iPhone inventory when a new model comes out?
 
Something tells me Apple's about to write off lots of AW version 1 models that go unsold... as they're replaced by AW version 2 in hopes of stimulating sales.
I seriously doubt that. Tim Cook earned his stripes by keeping Apple's inventory very low. His mantra has always been that having high levels of inventory is a very strong indicator that a company is not doing well.
 
Something tells me Apple's about to write off lots of AW version 1 models that go unsold... as they're replaced by AW version 2 in hopes of stimulating sales.
They will probably just cut down on the options and offer the 1st gen as a lower cost model as is the case with previous generations of iPhone and iPad.
 
Im surprised people think Apple would do one watch every two years. It makes no sense. We come out with phones every year, ipads every year etc.
 
I already have gen 1, will wait for gen 3 or 4 before I get another. Am happy with my current watch.
 
What tells you that? Does Apple write off iPhone inventory when a new model comes out?
It's a standard practice in many industries. Apple would be exceptionally good at keeping it a secret though. They've done a masterful job of creating the image of a perfect company who's products are in such high demand it's a privilege to buy them.
 
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