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48 isn't really that much better than 24

Really? I make it (performs some higher mathematics) exactly twice as good. More would definitely be better.

Okay, now your just being ridiculous. If the current battery is "is as much use as a chocolate teapot" then the watch would be no use at all and that clearly isn't true

...read what I actually said: 24 hour battery life is useless on a smartphone because, ultimately, you want to be able to reliably receive and make calls or emails. I was admitting that its less critical on a smartwatch, because whereas public telephones are becoming like hen's teeth (and are useless for receiving) there are still lots of other ways of finding out the time.

Looks like there are two sorts of people here: those people who sometimes forget/are unable to charge their device, and those people who have been lucky so far.
 
bought the new garmin 630. I have to say that i do like the screen on my AW but as an avid runner i love the stats/gps ability the garmin has. the AW is way behind in this regard.
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I am not here as a salesman for Garmin, by any means, but in my experience this watch lasts for seven days on a single charge, with notifications, heart rate and activity tracker on permanently and GPS for around four hours per week for my running.

As I said in my OP there are a lot of companies doing great work out there in the smart watch space. Hopefully Apple can choose more useful features and add polish to them for Watch Two.
How do you like your 235? picked up a 630 this week and am trying it out to see if i could maybe get by with a 230. I really don't care for all day HR monitoring and wear a HRM while running outdoors to get the measurements that the 630 is capable of.
 
There have been only a few times when I felt for a brief moment that my Watch was lacking something. I was on runs in public parks and thought it would be cool to be able to check a map with LTE and make sure I was going the right way back to the lockers. Other than that, the only inconveniences have come from bugs and slow-loading apps; all but one (the Philips Hue app) improved their speeds dramatically after Watch OS 2 came out.

Battery life could be improved and the device could stand to be a bit thinner, sure. But I've almost never had less than 40% at the end of the day. If I know I might spend the night away without a charger, I just use power reserve mode when I don't want or need motion tracking, etc. Doing that, I've easily squeezed two days out of the battery. Not really an issue.
 
I think it would be nice if Apple made a longer lasting watch so it could monitor your sleeping pattern too. Will be interesting to see what happens with wearables this year.

That would be an interesting use; however, it would significantly raise the bar for battery life. When would you charge the Watch, if not at night? If they can adopt some sort of quick charging tech, as seen on the new input devices, it could work, but look how many people are complaining about having to turn their mouse upside-down for 5 minutes to charge it.
 
That would be an interesting use; however, it would significantly raise the bar for battery life. When would you charge the Watch, if not at night? If they can adopt some sort of quick charging tech, as seen on the new input devices, it could work, but look how many people are complaining about having to turn their mouse upside-down for 5 minutes to charge it.

Yeah, or plugging the Apple pencil into the iPad Pro for 15 seconds, but the other fitness devices all do it as they can last for a few day's, not sure about Android Wear devices though, that's what you get for a mini computer as opposed to a fitness device I guess?
 
That would be an interesting use; however, it would significantly raise the bar for battery life. When would you charge the Watch, if not at night? If they can adopt some sort of quick charging tech, as seen on the new input devices, it could work, but look how many people are complaining about having to turn their mouse upside-down for 5 minutes to charge it.

This is exactly why Apple has made it a priority to allow people to pair multiple watches.

One watch for day, one watch for evening. That way, one watch is always charged. Get dressed for work, put on the day watch. Come home from work, switch to the night watch. Go to sleep. Wake up and take off the night watch. Repeat.
 
Please no. I get the appeal and the desire for variety, but round watches are and anachronism of form over function.
Smart watches are meant to display data, and data fits better into squares.
Traditionally watches were round to support the sweeping hands. This is not relevant for a digital screen.
Then again watches are frequently worn as jewelry or fashion accessories. So I suppose there is a market willing to sacrifice some functionality. I guess I just find it silly.

Apple is pretty good at form over function in some ways.
 
The first watch was a beta as indicative by the clunky size, poor battery, and extremely limited functionality. Thus, the poor profit margins and poor sales.

Hopefully they get it right with the 2nd version. No one want a big clinker on their wrist with a dead battery. lol
Man, I simply cannot disagree more with this assessment. My battery life is on par with how long I'd wear my mechanical watch. The watch looks find to me and I have no problem with the wheel on the side. I don't even mind it being a rectangle.
 
According to Matthew Panzarino it sounds like there won't be a new Watch in March. That wouldn't surprise me at all. And as far as what then would Apple show off at a March event...well they certainly could have new Skylake Macs, andiPad Air 3. Is that enough for an event? Maybe if it was a smaller event on campus.

http://techcrunch.com/2016/01/15/when-will-we-see-a-new-apple-watch/

I’m not so sure that we’ll be seeing it that early. Several things that I’ve heard (from several sources) indicate to me that we won’t see a new hardware model of the Apple Watch in March. Design partnerships, accessories, that kind of thing maybe but not a “Watch 2.0” with a bunch of new hardware features like a camera. I could be wrong, of course, but I’ve heard enough to put it out there.
 
Because nobody holds an iPhone or iPad at the same angle when using FaceTime? How is the watch any more creepy or weird than having a phone with a camera? Or an iPad?



There's no trick. Apple could have more than likely pushed their display to the Edge just like the Huawei did in this example, but they chose not to for design aesthetics. Maybe the next Watch will push the display to the edge. But you'll see in a head to head comparison, that even when the total screen bezel area of the current Watch is used, the Huawei still has about the same available screen space (probably a little less), which a custom UI could exploit without issue. (note the watches below are to exact scale)


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When the first idiots starting running around with those Google Glass Things, they were quickly called Glassholes, as they came across as perverts with disguised cameras. If the person next to you at the urinal holds a phone you get suspicious, if he is wearing a watch everything appears normal. Watches with cameras are the dream come true for perverts, stalkers and weirdos. Cameras should always be obvious, if they are not, they quite likely are used in an improper way.
 
When the first idiots starting running around with those Google Glass Things, they were quickly called Glassholes, as they came across as perverts with disguised cameras. If the person next to you at the urinal holds a phone you get suspicious, if he is wearing a watch everything appears normal. Watches with cameras are the dream come true for perverts, stalkers and weirdos. Cameras should always be obvious, if they are not, they quite likely are used in an improper way.

Not the same thing at all.

But please do explain how a watch with a camera on the wrist of the guy at the urinal next to you is going to be able to photograph anything, or what exactly it is you think they will be able to photograph. And while you're at it, how will it will photograph anything else of a sensitive nature without the other person not being aware?
 
My point is, the first thing to get done is have the watch work on its own.

Not to be obtuse, but the watch is virtually there now. LTE is not likely to be added anytime soon, but it's mostly not necessary. Apple basically needs to make the watch as it is presently to be more autonomous. When all of the carriers turn on voice over wifi, the watch will connect wherever it finds a wifi connection, retrieving email, texts, voicemail, as well as taking and making calls. Siri is also accessible. Add GPS which is the next most likely improvement, and a watch can guide someone anywhere using downloaded maps. They need a simple way to log onto other unknown networks though to make this effective. Once that happens, virtually anyone with any Apple product should be able to pair a watch, and use it, whether they own an iPhone or not, thus expanding the user base.

And that's actually good enough for the forseable future.
 
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