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An interesting rebuttal from "Don't Hurt Me". I am a little tired of my exapsion units cluttering up my desk. Formac cd-rw, smartdisk 80GB drive, and Zip drive. I would love to be able to throw it inside the machine. Not the zip drive though, they suck. But on the other hand I feel that a new iMac would have served me better than all of this upgrading. I can't get rid of my iMac though. I have become emotionally attatched. I have even considered putting a G4 on the motherboard. Extreme! So, I am not your average user. Hmmm. The current iMac as of now, is a perfect machine. I think we are really talking about how important future upgradability and expansion are. I just don't know. I think the cube needs to come back perhaps. Look at how much love it is getting. A thousand dollar price tag and some wicked upgrades. Hmmm.
So....
 
The cube is the answer. We all wanted one. We just couldn't afford the damn monitorless thing. CUBE! CUBE! CUBE! CUBE!:p
 
Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
So great if you want those expansions next to the clean looking imac you have to have wires and boxes all around it?

Huh? It looks fine, all the cables are routed out the back and the boxes are in a neat little row on a shelf. And there's more flexibility and convenience too; I'm able to lend the Formac DV adapter out to friends (even ones with PCs!) so they can DVDify their old tapes; no _way_ would I consider doing that with a PCI card.

stuff everywhere with wires everywhere? who wants that?/

I suppose that all the PC users with scanners, printers, flash media dongles, cameras, DSL/cable interfaces and PDAs want them.

Funny thing is, I didn't buy an iMac because of its looks. It was about having a whole computer system that took up less desk space (and weighed less) than my last CRT, used no floor space, and had a display that would go where my body wanted it to go.

my point is apple has to build a box that fits everyone consumer wise not just a very tiny market segment that is buying less and less imacs. performance,utility,&style will sell the next generation imacs. style alone wont do it.

Apple have spoken about this, they're seeing the iMac/eMac sales (they report them as one product line) instead going into iBooks and PowerBooks. Especially looking at the latter two, why would consumers be buying smaller machines at the same price point, with fewer ports and truly horrendous cable management, if they were really looking for an ATX-ish form factor?

It's the window dressing. iMacs don't _look_ like computers, people think there's something missing. I've had the same conversation way too many times: "That looks neat, where did you hide the computer?" "Oh, it's the round thingy there on the desk." "No, I mean the computer, where do you hide it?" "Really, it's all right in there." "Yeah, right." It _looks_ too delicate and artsy-fartsy for its own good; the functional part of the design is fine.
 
The reason upgradeability is more important in the PC world is that PC's loose their value much faster than Macs. For upgrading to be cost effective, it has to be cheaper to add in a card than it is to sell the whole box and buy a new one.

If you look on eBay there is a 700Mhz G4 iMac going starting at 750 which will probably go for 8. If he uses that money to buy a new iMac, he'll have paid $500 for a new processor, more memory, a better graphics card, USB2, a larger harddrive, an OS upgrade... And if he waits just a couple of months, that may be a G5 with even better price to performance ratio.

Would internal upgradeability be that much cheaper? And what about when you add the design cost of creating the upgradeable design?

I think the economics of the mac make it much more cost effective, and gratifying to just eBay your old mac every 2 years and buy a new one.
 
Did someone say "TV tuner"?

USB TV Tuner

Also: If a lightning strike takes out your Ethernet and only your Ethernet, you are the the victim, or perhaps the lucky recipient, of a very low order of probability. All I know is that if a lightning strike took out my Ethernet, AppleCare could take care of it.
 
hey phil that eskape labs usb tv tuner for lack of a better term sucks, anyways look for a new imac because sales suck not at all like the original imac crt and ask yourself why they suck?? im sure apple has asked themselves this and have a solution coming our way.
 
Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
maybe the new Performa!

The Performa Line almost took another bite out of Apple
Apple focused on the Performa line and forgot about the
Powermac and Powerbook. I almost went to Windows
Big word ALMOST
 
Originally posted by Spock
The Performa Line almost took another bite out of Apple
Apple focused on the Performa line and forgot about the
Powermac and Powerbook.
There was nothing wrong with the Performa line, I bought a couple of them. Problem was, it was Apple's consumer line and it just didn't take off like the iMac did later.

Some people thought because they were called Performas, they weren't really Macs, or were somehow crippled Macs. It was unfortunate because they represented pretty good value.

Sometimes, it's all in a name. I believe the iMac became successful in large part because of its name.
 
Originally posted by sushi
Fair enough. Thanks.

Unfortunately as you know, there is a big difference between a rumor and fact.

I will be glad to see this rumor become fact since the typical PC user sees the lack of + media support a limitation.

Sushi

I would say that the **typical** PC user does not know what + media is. Sure -- all the IT folks and computer enthusiasts do, but the switcher campaign is mainly aimed at home users.

-- The kind who call their kids to install a printer.

My family has gotten a bunch of their friends to switch based onthe FP iMac. The sit down on the sofa and my mom sits at the desk and swivels the screen over to them to look at the pictures.

Those little details are a *big* selling points. My dad is taller then my mom. They move the display every time one of them sits down. At my house I change my display based on my sitting position. If my feet are up on the desk, the screen is pointed down to meet my gaze. My CRT cannot do that.
 
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