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QuarkXPress 7 Coming Soon?
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Riot_Mac said:
If you work in pre-press, surely you'll take what your clients send you. How can you 'switch' when most people are sending out PDFs these days anyway?
All of our printers would thank you and kiss your behind for sending them a MS Publisher file if it meant getting the job.
A 60% market share wouldn't exactly say 'dead' to me. We're Quark users in our studio, we've dipped our toes in the InDesign pool but for the moment we're sticking with XPress. Both apps have their pros and cons (I wouldn't disagree too much with Blue's comments on their relative merits) and it can only be a good thing that there are two good apps competing. Quark users suffered too long because the company had a monopoly and became very, very slack Adobe delivered it a much needed kick up the arse when it released InDesign.starflyer said:
I'd like to see InDesign continue to do well, and as things stand I'd like to work more with it. I hope though that both apps continue to coexist so neither software house become as complacent as Quark did a few years back because if they do it's us who end up suffering with their bug-ridden software.
The trouble I have with Adobe is they feel the need to improve things that worked fine in the first place and in the process, make them crap (for example, browsing images in PS).
Quark is guilty of it too, no doubt, just before release they'll re arrange the shortcuts to conflict with every system and application command they missed the last go!
ID2 is a great program really great in the big and bloated sense. It's a shame but it runs like a dog on a PBG4, I simply get more work done with QX.
Or maybe I'm just a grumpy old git and should shuddup and get a new mac
Thanks for listening
Quark is guilty of it too, no doubt, just before release they'll re arrange the shortcuts to conflict with every system and application command they missed the last go!
ID2 is a great program really great in the big and bloated sense. It's a shame but it runs like a dog on a PBG4, I simply get more work done with QX.
Or maybe I'm just a grumpy old git and should shuddup and get a new mac
Thanks for listening
Riot_Mac said:
Tell me something. Since when did InDesign allow two people to work on the same layout at the same time? Or even allow different layout sizes within the same project? Or even be able to synchronize text across different layouts within the same project? Or even to run smoothly on anything lower than a 1.25 G4?
What I hate about these kinds of discussions is that people insist that the issue is so clear-cut, so black and white. As a designer, sure I love InDesign's features but its interface is problematic and its model for transparency isn't as straightforward as the Quark 7 betas I've tried. It also isn't perfect on output by any means.
But on the other hand, when time is tight and you have multiple deadlines a day, Quark is a better tool for knocking stuff out. Of course, you have to know how to use it properly.
Moof1904 said:
Believe me, you're not alone. Not me personally, but many of our larger typesetters who handle the big academic and reference stuff for us.
Don't think it's going to happen, though.
InDesign feels cluttered/awkward until you get used to it. Once you learn all the shortcuts and get used to all the great features, going back to Quark feels like traveling back in time to 1996. I've found that most people (if they give InDesign an honest try and really learn it) will NEVER consider going back to QXP.
The real key lies in how you use the app. Newbs tend to open it and try to use it like Quark. Well then it's not any better. It's just Quark with a different interface. The key is to change your workflow and actually use all the new features - only then will switchers truly appreciate InDesign.
The real key lies in how you use the app. Newbs tend to open it and try to use it like Quark. Well then it's not any better. It's just Quark with a different interface. The key is to change your workflow and actually use all the new features - only then will switchers truly appreciate InDesign.
Riot_Mac said:
Wow! And the pre-press god, know it all has spoken, so we should all dump our software and buy what he tells us!
Anyway, I have friends in ad agencies and most of them uses Quark. One agency just changed to ID about a year ago and all I hear is complain about it (they changed because ID is cheaper). So, there you go, maybe you're not as right as you think...
Quark is King!
Just kidding, but I'm delighted that Quark 7 is UB, and I know from my own testing that it works a lot better than 6.5 with a lot of great new features. Of course, Quark 6.5 is a horrible program, and its PDF problems are a nightmare.
I used to teach InDesign CS 1, and I like the program's features, but it's bloated and slow, particularly on the Mac. Worse, CS 2 made it even slower. The real trouble with InDesign is that it takes a lot of training to teach all its useful features, and most people can't even use Quark's meager feature set to its fullest ability. Worse, InDesign allows you to do the same thing in multiple ways, which means that troubleshooting another person's document is much, much harder. And transparency is a truly dangerous tool on InDesign.
I hope that the Quark UB runs like a dream on Intel and PC hardware, and provides Adobe with a good example of what speed is. I'll be purchasing Quark 7.0 immediately just so I don't need to use Quark 6.5 anymore. Even in beta, it's soooo better than 6.5.
Just kidding, but I'm delighted that Quark 7 is UB, and I know from my own testing that it works a lot better than 6.5 with a lot of great new features. Of course, Quark 6.5 is a horrible program, and its PDF problems are a nightmare.
I used to teach InDesign CS 1, and I like the program's features, but it's bloated and slow, particularly on the Mac. Worse, CS 2 made it even slower. The real trouble with InDesign is that it takes a lot of training to teach all its useful features, and most people can't even use Quark's meager feature set to its fullest ability. Worse, InDesign allows you to do the same thing in multiple ways, which means that troubleshooting another person's document is much, much harder. And transparency is a truly dangerous tool on InDesign.
I hope that the Quark UB runs like a dream on Intel and PC hardware, and provides Adobe with a good example of what speed is. I'll be purchasing Quark 7.0 immediately just so I don't need to use Quark 6.5 anymore. Even in beta, it's soooo better than 6.5.
I was a big fan of FrameMaker too, even a beta tester for it a couple of times. Alas, no more.Blue Velvet said:
Working as a scientist, I constantly have to justify me using InDesign instead of Powerpoint. It is always me who has to adjust my colour management to whatever the others screw up in Powerpoint. And than I am not using Arial... (people must hate me)
fudgepacker said:
I was referring to a case by case basis.
I open quark file A in InDesign using the converter, it converts without a flaw.
I open quark file B in InDesign using the converter, eps files have colors shifted and text boxes are off the page (those I consider flaws).
What I was saying is, 9 out of 10 times the operation goes off without a hitch. I was not saying that the plugin was flawless.
iGary said:
That it correct, there are some features in one program that are better or almost non-existant in the other. And about quark 7, supposedly its going to have profiling permanently on, in the pre-press production unless the person knows what they are doing, which in most cases they dont, its a bad thing, Or can some one correct me on this?
Apple seems to have a special way of keeping things interesting. The transition to OS X and Quark's resulting snub of the new platform cost them a great deal of mindshare and I would venture to guess marketshare. Now they will be the first to support the Intel transition, with Adobe dragging way behind on all their products except LightRoom. Just when it seems a war has been won, a new battle breaks out with different leaders. And they say that the computer industry has settled and is now boring...
Even though Quark was my faveriot software at one time.. They just to log to move to OS X. Right now I love Indesign to much to go back to Quark. I think Quark should just let itself die.
the Creative Suite 2 includes indesign
since its bundled with Illustrator and photoshop.
why bare the expense of quark when a great DTP app is already included.
I hate working in quark. i find indesign easier and faster.
since its bundled with Illustrator and photoshop.
why bare the expense of quark when a great DTP app is already included.
I hate working in quark. i find indesign easier and faster.