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QuarkXPress in June?

Originally posted by evoluzione

I am wondering however, what happens when Panther comes out, will we be waiting a year for an optimised version for that????
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porting from os9 to osx is not the same as needing to update your software for panther.
 
Is there possibility to mix spot colors in future version of InDesign? I don't want to use Quark for only this purpose anymore..

I'd like to see a cheaper, stripped-down version of Quark to use as a utility, helping people to switch their work to InDesign. Imagine the splash screen: "There is more to Xpress than QuarkLight". It would be nice to customers who had left already... :)
 
i don´t think there will be a price war. adobe´s is already more competitively priced than quark´s, and adobe actually offers upgrade pricing. now don´t get me wrong, i would love a drop in price, but these are professional tools which are very price inelastic. people will be buying them no matter how much they cost, to a point. it is simply the cost of doing business.

i also hope/agree id 3 is sitting and being tested away in wait of quark X. it could be a huge coup if adobe simeltaneously released id3 with qaurk X. offer upgrades from quark to adobe. price id3 under quark, use your huge cash reserve to advertise the hell out of id3, something i doubt quark has the cash for.

if you think about it, releasing quark X might be the beginning of the end of quark. another stab at the already bleeding company. i am for seeing adobe strike the fatal blow. a company such as quark does not deserve to be in business in a consumer driven economy.
 
Re: Re: Re: ind3

Originally posted by Macette
Quark's too arrogant for a price war. But when they go into receivorship, I imagine we'll be picking it up in bargain bins all over the place...
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You just may be right. I've dealt with thier customer service. Nasty!
 
Originally posted by niar
Is there possibility to mix spot colors in future version of InDesign? I don't want to use Quark for only this purpose anymore..

I'd like to see a cheaper, stripped-down version of Quark to use as a utility, helping people to switch their work to InDesign. Imagine the splash screen: "There is more to Xpress than QuarkLight". It would be nice to customers who had left already... :)
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yes, but if your using a percentage other than 100% of overlapping color you need to assign a cmy or k screen angle to the pantone colors. indesign has a wonderful option under the view menu lets you preview overprints. which you can not do in quark. actually i think this feature is a first. ive only seen it in indesign.
 
RE. Mixing Inks.

Just a word of caution on the mixing pantones. PMS colours are by nature opaque, process colours are semi-transparent. Depending on your reasons for mixing pantones, you may be better of doing a channel mixture in Phostoshop rather then in ID - you'll get a better colour representation IMO.
 
my printer won't accept indesign?!

you wanna bet! no respectable printer is going to lose the business, because they're too stubborn to pay for id. so, all of you that have had that problem, tell them that they can take themselves and their quark and walk off a short pier.

we had this problem with one of our printers... "no we can't take indesign files and no, we are not going to" was the reply i got, when i asked if they could handle id files. politely i asked if he was willing to lose our business over a few hundred dollar program? stubborn as that sorry bastard is, he said "yes". well it's been about 9 months and every other day we get a phone call or something in the mail pleading for our business again. see what he didn't think about is that over the course of a year we'd do about $90,000 worth of printing with him. we have replaced him in our "printer" list with someone that happily accepts indesign and has a whole lot less attitude.
 
All you Indesign fans / Quark haters should ask yourselves what Adobe will do with the price of their product once Quark would be out of business and they have no competition anymore. My guess is they would double it in no time. I really don't think that it would be healthy for Apple and everyone in the print/design field to be completely in the hands of one company.
 
Price is irrelevant.

I would would happily pay double for a superior product. Think of it this way, its a small investment for a product that can help generate so much income. It's truly a small price to pay.
 
Originally posted by niar
Is there possibility to mix spot colors in future version of InDesign? I don't want to use Quark for only this purpose anymore..
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As a beta tester of InDesign and talking often to Quark/InDesign users, that is the weirdest request I have heard...

True you might be able to mix two spot colors in Quark, but in ID, you can lay tints of spot colors on each other and control the overprint of each - and preview it live. It's a much more elegant solution than hard mixing of two colors (and no tints). Oh yeah, and If you don't mind printing mud, you can "mix" as many spot colors in InDesign as your printer can handle

Having signed an NDA with Adobe, I wish I could comment on upcoming releases, but as such, i can only say (confidently), Quark is too little, too late. The new OSX version will help the transition of hardcore Quark users, but on a feature/price ratio, ID wins hands down.
 
Originally posted by evoluzione
oh i know that, never said it was the same....it will need some tweaking however, right?
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i really dont think so. supposedly 32bit apps can run with the 64bit chip. but im really not that knowledable about it. someone wanna answer that?

the question:
will quark or any 32bit app have to be optimized for the new (hope) 64bit chip?


i remember reading here that it wasnt necessary...32bit code can run fine on a 64bit chip.




ad/cd, channel mixer will take the (for instance) two channels assigned to pms colors and mix the value, the only thing it can do is subtract from a value of 100%. it would be the same in any app. photoshop cant mix the two colors any differently than indesign would. you can only choose a value between 0% and 100% and you can accomplish that in indesign or quark for that matter.
 
yes,no,yes,no

Originally posted by beatle888
the question:
will quark or any 32bit app have to be optimized for the new (hope) 64bit chip?

i remember reading here that it wasnt necessary...32bit code can run fine on a 64bit chip.
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Several answers.... ;)

IBM claims that the PPC970 will run 32-bit code fine, and even 32-bit operating systems with very minor changes. (Not surprising, since the operating system usually needs some minor changes for every new chip, motherboard or other widget.)

Answer1: No, 32-bit applications won't need to be optimized to run on the 970, and Panther won't even need to support 64-bit.


If Panther does support partial or full 64-bit addressing, then we can assume that it supports a 32-bit mode for 32-bit applications. The alternative means that no existing applications will run on Panther on a 970, somewhat limiting its appeal.

Answer2: No, 32-bit applications won't need to be optimized to run on 64-bit Panther on a 970. They won't pick up any benefits from 64-bit, but they'll run as they always have.


The 970 chip has more functional units and parallelism than the G4. which means that compilers can generate code sequences that can exploit the extra power of the chip. The code should execute correctly on PPC chips (with allowance for AltiVec, of course). It is likely that an instruction sequence that runs the fastest on a 970 is not the same as the sequence that runs the fastest on a G4 - although both sequences will run correctly on both chips.

Answer3: Yes, 32-bit applications can sometimes be optimized by simply recompiling the code with a compiler that understands how to generate the fastest PPC970 code sequences. That might make them run a bit slower on the G4, but manufacturers usually optimize for the fastest systems.


If a 32-bit application is to really exploit 64-bits, it will take serious modifications and testing. For most applications, however, there's little benefit from 64-bit - so this is a moot point.

Answer4: Yes, applications will need modifications (from modest to extensive) and testing to optimize for 64-bit addressing.
 
Originally posted by rblum22
There is no way Quark 6 is ready for June. Based on nothing but past Quark history, I'd be surprised to see it before September.

It's a shame that Quark has to do so little to maintain it's stranglehold over the DTP market. InDesign is a much better product.
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There's currently an upgrade promotion to XPress version 5 with a free upgrade to version 6 (or full version 5 and $100 off version 6), which ends 30 June. It would seem they believe that they will release the new version shortly after that.
 
Originally posted by bousozoku
There's currently an upgrade promotion to XPress version 5 with a free upgrade to version 6 (or full version 5 and $100 off version 6), which ends 30 June. It would seem they believe that they will release the new version shortly after that.
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Yeah, the almighty dollar is very telling. They wouldn't do this if Xpress 6 wasn't coming until much later this year. Quark wouldn't care-let a few people buy version 5.0 for the full price and then make them buy version 6.0 for the full price again. Double the money.

This makes me believe it will be avaiable very soon, not a second (day, week, month, year.....) too late
 
printing indesign trick

here's a duct tape & bailing wire solution for printing an in design file through quark. create everything in indesign, turn the whole mess into a big eps file & either drop it into an older version of quark once your sure its perfect. or make it a pdf which if a printer can handle will print great. ps quark is the most user belligerant program other than windows xp. those bastards @ quark are WORSE THAN M$!!!!!
 
Should I switch to Indesign?

I usually use an old version of Quark to do my album covers, and it is a bit buggy in OSX.
Should I switch to InDesign?
I really like the layer effects in Photoshop and I miss them when I have to use the bare-bones text in Quark.:)
 

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Like people have been noting, Quark has simply taken too long to come out for OS X.

The scenario reminds me of the Adobe Premier 6 disaster. The program was so horrible that people left it and got comfortable with Avid or Pinnacle. Once Adobe released 6.5, it was pretty much too late. People got into the comfort zone of whatever program they switched to.

Alright, so this isn't exactly the same situation, but its close enough. Since Quark has taken so long to come out, businesses will be in that "Comfort Zone" with whatever program they are using now, namely InDesign. Employees will be knowledgable with the interface of InDesign 3 when it comes out too. The time period has just been too long for the situation to be salvaged at all. I really doubt that Quark 6 will take off at all seeing that its just now barely coming out for Jag when Panther is just around the corner. If Adobe is smart, they'll wait for the release of Panther and boast better stability and performance with Panther, but still compatible with Jag while it seems that all Quark will be able to do is virtually nothing.
 
Originally posted by the future
All you Indesign fans / Quark haters should ask yourselves what Adobe will do with the price of their product once Quark would be out of business and they have no competition anymore. My guess is they would double it in no time. I really don't think that it would be healthy for Apple and everyone in the print/design field to be completely in the hands of one company.
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you mean like it has been until very recently with id coming on the design scene?

it is not our fault quark did not try to stay a leader in its field. it is not our job to buy an inferior product to keep competition up. what is seems you want is people to continue to purchase a poor product in order to keep some guise of competition in the market.

if adobe upps their price- oh well. that just makes the market more interesting to someone with a great id killing idea.
 
I have been invited to attend Apple & Quark's "launch" of Quark 6 in Cupertino the first week of June. I think it's safe to say Quark will be here very soon.
 
Ah well... I hate Quark, like most of you say: they are arrogant, toooooo sloooooow and way too expensive.
But I can't help it: I love Xpress... (even though it's a bit crappy in classic) wouldn't trade it for ID.
But that's me, you can call me a fool, i won't be shocked :D
 
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