Quick Takes: Apple Watch Apps Called 'Frustrating' to Develop, iOS 11 Jailbreak With Cydia, and More


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In addition to our standalone articles covering the latest Apple news and rumors at MacRumors, this Quick Takes column provides a bite-sized recap of other headlines about Apple and its competitors on weekdays.

Wednesday, February 28

iOS 11 jailbreak released with Cydia, which turns 10 today: Cydia was released by Jay Freeman, better known as saurik, on February 28, 2008. The unofficial App Store is the gateway to installing apps, tweaks, themes, and other files on jailbroken iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch devices, outside of Apple's control.

Just yesterday, a new jailbreak called Electra was released for iOS 11 through iOS 11.1.2. It is the first iOS 11 jailbreak to include Cydia, although it is a modified version that may cause issues, so proceed at your own risk.

Commentary: While jailbreaking has faded in popularity over the years, Cydia remains a centerpiece of the community after a decade. Freeman is still in the process of updating Cydia and its frameworks to be fully compatible with iOS 11, so it might be a good idea to hold off on using the Electra jailbreak to avoid problems.

Waymo's self-driving cars have now covered five million miles on public roads: Waymo says the first million miles took six years to complete, while the fifth million took just under three months, as its testing rapidly speeds up.

To celebrate the milestone, Waymo shared a 360-degree video today that reveals how its self-driving vehicles view their surroundings, recognize objects like cars and pedestrians, and predict what those things will do. The video combines footage and real-time data from a trip around Phoenix, Arizona.

Commentary: A recent report claimed Apple is accelerating development of its own self-driving software to compete with the likes of Waymo, but it sounds like the iPhone maker may have significant ground to make up still.

Flutter enters beta, Sketch 49 released with iOS 11 design templates: Bohemian Coding's popular app design tool Sketch has been updated with Apple's official iOS 11 design templates, including tab bars, status bars, buttons, and other user interface elements for developers to incorporate into their apps.

In related news, Google's new mobile UI framework Flutter entered beta yesterday. Flutter aims to help developers more quickly craft high-quality native interfaces for both iOS and Android, with support for both iOS 11 and the iPhone X on the Apple side. Beginners can read Flutter's Getting Started guide.

Commentary: Sketch and Flutter can help developers to more quickly design iPhone and iPad apps that are consistent with iOS 11's design language.

Marco Arment says developing Apple Watch apps is "extremely frustrating and limited": Apple doesn't give developers access to the same watchOS frameworks that it uses for its own Apple Watch apps. Instead, it offers WatchKit, which Arment argues can only be used to create "baby" apps.

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Commentary: There has certainly been a trend of some developers discontinuing their Apple Watch apps in recent months, including notable brands like Amazon, eBay, Google Maps, and Slack. Apple providing developers with expanded watchOS resources could encourage those companies to reconsider.

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Article Link: Quick Takes: Apple Watch Apps Called 'Frustrating' to Develop, iOS 11 Jailbreak With Cydia, and More
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macrumors newbie
Feb 28, 2018
Yeah, After my Series 1 watch, I decided not to do the apps on the watch. I always seem to have one or two apps that crash and reboots the watch, so I don't put apps on it. I just get notifications, ApplePay and phone calls on my Series 3 watch with cellular. Less of a headache, and I can always check apps on my phone.


macrumors 601
Sep 8, 2011
New England
I can’t help but wonder what the self-driving experience will be like at a four-way stop where you’re engaged in a “you go ahead; oh me first? Oh, wait, you’re going now—but you’ve stopped again; I’ll wait; are you gonna go or am I?” scenario.
If all 4 cars are self-driving, they wouldn't even need to stop, as they will have all negotiated the intersection with each other well in advance, and adjust their speeds up or down slightly accordingly, so they all pass through the intersection safely.

If one of the cars is human-driven, then it wouldn't be any different than how it is today, but I imagine out of an abundance of caution the self-driving cars will let the reckless and unpredictable human go first, and then they'll go after in a perfectly synced manner.


macrumors 68000
Oct 15, 2008
Jailbreaking is so pointless.
It was great when the iPhone in its "glory" had a bunch of limitations. Sure, jailbreaking every patch was annoying, but back in early iPhone days, the iOS was pretty crippled. Some of the Cydia widget ideas were actually promoted to iOS functionality.
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macrumors 65816
Sep 16, 2014
Wish I Was In Space!
Agree with the Apple Watch Apps being "baby" apps. I've said it from the beginning, it's the most fun in terms of development.. until you realize you are handcuffed big time! Way to much locked down on the Watch. I understand the health data but good grief refresh request data limits.. seriously? And still after all this time, no watch face store or ability to truly customize the design. If I want 5 apps on a face with a background at the same time, I should be able to do that on the latest watch due to the processing speed.. but no, still nothing. Apple needs to wake up.. loosen the reigns a bit and see where developers can help take the company into the future. At some point those developers.. myself included are going to leave and do great things for someone else. And I love Apple products but they are shooting themselves in the foot constantly with hardly any real changes to their OS's and the way they are built.


macrumors Core
Nov 14, 2011
When does Marco Arment not complain? ATP is barely listenable as all they do is spend 2 hours whining and complaining about things. I remember a year or two ago Casey Liss said their New Years resolution was to be less negative (based on listener feedback). Not sure how long that lasted. Every recent show I’ve listened to was whine, moan and complain.


macrumors 603
Oct 24, 2014
Looking forward to services like Waymo. Imagine the savings from cutting car payments, car maintenance fees, insurance, etc. It's the end of car ownership, taxis, Uber services, potentially public transportation and bad human drivers.
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macrumors regular
Jul 25, 2011
Re: Limited watch development capability: My suspicion would be on OS, framework etc. being suitable/mature for complex product outcomes, possibly Apple hand cranks their own apps to some degree?


macrumors 68000
Mar 7, 2015
I find it immensely irritating that the Apple Watch 3 — for which we pay a premium price, and then a further premium for a data plan — still has no decent podcasting app. It's almost like this is a deliberate policy.


macrumors regular
Jan 15, 2015
Do Google's "Flutter" apps basically work the same and almost look the same on iOS and Android? If yes, it could be one way Google is trying to get more iOS users on Android.


macrumors 68030
Jun 24, 2004
Problem with the watch is people are put off apps for life now because they didn't work well, or at all, on the first watch. It has great potential but needs the same frameworks to be available as Apple are using - including the capability to create custom faces.
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macrumors 6502
Sep 22, 2009
United States
For you, maybe.
Yeah, no kidding! I still carry my old iPhone 5s around with me because it is jailbroken and can thus run a bunch of software I find extremely useful - such as a true WiFi diagnostic tool that I use when building WiFi networks, a function that for some reason Apple thinks is, I'm guessing, too technical for their users (oh, what a dim view of their own customers Apple must have).

I was actually going to move to Android last time around (didn't really want to, just felt I was being forced to) since I want to do things Apple simply won't allow, or at least won't allow properly, but I was unable to easily find a single Android phone that was both small enough (I currently have the se) for me - they all seem to have gone phablet sized, and running a reasonably up-to-date OS.

I would certainly *love* seeing iOS jailbroken again.
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macrumors Nehalem
Jul 12, 2016
Dont think i bothered to open an Apple Watch app in over a year
I don’t use any third party applications either. The stock applications on the Apple Watch are more than enough to meet my needs. And with avoiding third party applications, I don’t have to worry about random Battery drainage and Which application is causing it.


Sep 29, 2017
Do Google's "Flutter" apps basically work the same and almost look the same on iOS and Android? If yes, it could be one way Google is trying to get more iOS users on Android.
It’s not to get users on Android. It’s to improve the App situation on Android, which lags iOS significantly. They have the numbers, not the quality. Especially on tablets where Android is a joke.