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True, but still, its the first hurdle you gotta overcome.. Self driving cars is a slow start. All these companies are digging their feet into this as well,, but its all just a ticker toy to play with....

Showing what stuff can do like at CES... That's how i imagine this, test driving, but i would only believe a product out when i see it with my own eyes and people are actually getting one as their next car.

That is still a long way off i think.
 
Self-driving car tech is ridiculously impressive.

Agreed. Except for the 2:30 mark in the Waymo video. Turning right in the first lane alongside another car is a horrible practice. I see it far too often and although the Waymo car is ever so slightly behind the other car, it still proceeded into the lane before the other car passed. I disagree with this move from a safety standpoint. You never know what that other car is going to do.
 
When does Marco Arment not complain? ATP is barely listenable as all they do is spend 2 hours whining and complaining about things. I remember a year or two ago Casey Liss said their New Years resolution was to be less negative (based on listener feedback). Not sure how long that lasted. Every recent show I’ve listened to was whine, moan and complain.
I recently decided I needed less middle aged white males whinging in my life so I unsubscribed to ATP.

Happens every winter, so this isn’t a recent development.
 
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I use carrot weather on the watch which seems to work well but doesn’t update on the complication and takes a few seconds to update on my series 1 when opened. But I use it and love it anyway as I can compare weather between it and the stock weather app.
 
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When does Marco Arment not complain? ATP is barely listenable as all they do is spend 2 hours whining and complaining about things. I remember a year or two ago Casey Liss said their New Years resolution was to be less negative (based on listener feedback). Not sure how long that lasted. Every recent show I’ve listened to was whine, moan and complain.

To each their own. If you want to hear “Apple is amazing” or if you want to hear excuses made for Apple when something doesn’t work well, listen to the iMore podcast. I have a negative reaction to iMore like you do to ATP. I thoroughly enjoy ATP because they don’t kiss Apple’s ass.
 
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I can’t help but wonder what the self-driving experience will be like at a four-way stop where you’re engaged in a “you go ahead; oh me first? Oh, wait, you’re going now—but you’ve stopped again; I’ll wait; are you gonna go or am I?” scenario.
My experience at four way stops is that a lot of drivers don't wait their turn and will cut off the person who has right of way.
 
What apps that you want are not available for the apple watch? Just about all the apps I care about banking, podcast, fitness etc. are available on my Android watch so I imagine they're on the AW.
 
I wonder if people will jailbreak self driving cars?

The piece on the watch apps explains a lot. I love my watch but the 3rd party apps could be so much better.
 
What apps that you want are not available for the apple watch? Just about all the apps I care about banking, podcast, fitness etc. are available on my Android watch so I imagine they're on the AW.

The vast majority of iOS apps do not have an Apple Watch app. You can get notifications from any app on your iPhone; but you can’t interact with the apps on your iPhone unless said apps have an Apple Watch app. Taking your example of banking apps, neither Amex nor Chase have an Apple Watch app; and I’d venture a guess that those are two pretty widely used financial apps. My gym (LA Fitness) has an Apple Watch app, but it’s slow to load even basic things like my membership card QR code on my Series 2 watch if the app isn’t running in the watch dock already when I go to pull up my membership card. I do like my Series 2, but I think Marco’s observations are spot on.
 
With Marco's comment about watch development, that may explain why there aren't a lot of watch apps. I hope that changes (for the better) soon.

Yeah, I waited until Series 3, and while I really like the Apple apps, I've been disappointed by the lack and quality of third party apps. Apple needs to provide more functionality for app developers or Apple will be the only one with apps on the watch.
 
Agreed. Except for the 2:30 mark in the Waymo video. Turning right in the first lane alongside another car is a horrible practice. I see it far too often and although the Waymo car is ever so slightly behind the other car, it still proceeded into the lane before the other car passed. I disagree with this move from a safety standpoint. You never know what that other car is going to do.

You're a rare bird. Someone who considers all the possibilities all the time while driving. The vast majority of drivers have no idea what is going on in the head of the very best drivers, and the software is reflecting that. I'm over two million miles crash free. I've never had an incident. Nothing, after spending the majority of my driving time in the worst imaginably congested cities. I'd expect you're similar. I think the average self driving software is at about 100k per incident. For people like us, being forced to let a computer take over is mortifying.
 
I can’t help but wonder what the self-driving experience will be like at a four-way stop where you’re engaged in a “you go ahead; oh me first? Oh, wait, you’re going now—but you’ve stopped again; I’ll wait; are you gonna go or am I?” scenario.

Well - at least where I live, it’s supposed to be either who ever arrived at the stop sign goes first, or in clockwise order if that doesn’t work.
 
I'm willing to bet the dirty secret behind the Watch is that the hardware just isn't there to run apps without compromise. Even just the OS stutters on my S2; I can't imagine some poorly-optimized app running, sucking down battery and polling doubleclick.net every second. It's bad enough waiting on the Control Center or Siri to catch up with real time.

That said the lack of truly creative watch faces and/or proper face customization is just ridiculous. Why can't I pick arbitrary complications--why are there restrictions? Why can't I have a simple digital face with seconds? Are the seconds too CPU-intensive or too battery intensive, or did the one Apple Watch developer get pulled over to work on Animoji?
 
To each their own. If you want to hear “Apple is amazing” or if you want to hear excuses made for Apple when something doesn’t work well, listen to the iMore podcast. I have a negative reaction to iMore like you do to ATP. I thoroughly enjoy ATP because they don’t kiss Apple’s ass.

I don't think ATP is overly negative at all. They praise Apple when it's due, and they criticize them when it's due. I may not always agree with them, but they are calling it like they see it. It feels a bit negative at the moment because of legitimate issues like the new laptop keyboards having a high failure rate.
 
It’s not to get users on Android. It’s to improve the App situation on Android, which lags iOS significantly. They have the numbers, not the quality. Especially on tablets where Android is a joke.

If users don't see an app difference between iOS and Android it would be easier to move to an Android device. Google doesn't want a duopoly. A monopoly is the goal.
 
As usual, Apple is it's own worst enemy.
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Jailbreaking is so pointless.

The only benefit to me is ad blocking. But at this point I just do that on DNS.

Safari is a garbage for web browsing on iOS. Any app can take control of it, place popups, js messages, it's awful.
 
If users don't see an app difference between iOS and Android it would be easier to move to an Android device. Google doesn't want a duopoly. A monopoly is the goal.

I'm sure that's what Google hopes, but it'll never happen.

This type of tool is really only valuable to the company that's behind. Microsoft has tried similar strategies in the past to make it easy to port iOS Apps to Windows Mobile (since WM had a non-existent ecosystem). By releasing such a tool Google is basically admitting that iOS is the superior App ecosystem. They sure didn't release it to try and improve iOS by letting Android developers bring more Apps to iOS.

Even if users don't see any App differences between iOS and Android that doesn't mean people are going to switch. There's a lot more to iOS than just Apps. Things like security and updates, privacy, service & support, aftermarket accessories/support, how they work with other devices and so on. These also cause a lot of users to stay with iOS.
 
What apps that you want are not available for the apple watch? Just about all the apps I care about banking, podcast, fitness etc. are available on my Android watch so I imagine they're on the AW.

There might be Apps but it sure feels like using a 1 GB ram Windows Visa Computer in 2018. they are all so slow like by the time the QR-Code of my airline app opens, I may have already missed the flight or checking weather? Forget it. By the time it finally refreshed, seasons may as well have already changed outside lol I can just grab my iPhone by the time it finally does anything
 
Haha, if you think Apple Watch apps are frustrating to develop you should try using them, they’re all terrible. :(
 
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Yeah, no kidding! I still carry my old iPhone 5s around with me because it is jailbroken and can thus run a bunch of software I find extremely useful - such as a true WiFi diagnostic tool that I use when building WiFi networks, a function that for some reason Apple thinks is, I'm guessing, too technical for their users (oh, what a dim view of their own customers Apple must have).

I was actually going to move to Android last time around (didn't really want to, just felt I was being forced to) since I want to do things Apple simply won't allow, or at least won't allow properly, but I was unable to easily find a single Android phone that was both small enough (I currently have the se) for me - they all seem to have gone phablet sized, and running a reasonably up-to-date OS.

I would certainly *love* seeing iOS jailbroken again.

I have noticed that I cannot find a WiFi signal-strength diagnostic tool in the App Store, like the kind that I used to use on Android. Is this an iOS limitation?
 
As usual, Apple is it's own worst enemy.
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The only benefit to me is ad blocking. But at this point I just do that on DNS.

Safari is a garbage for web browsing on iOS. Any app can take control of it, place popups, js messages, it's awful.
I find safari fine but they need to completely overhaul mail.
 
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