Quick Takes: Fitbit Executive Says He Hasn't Met Anyone Passionate About Owning an Apple Watch
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nekonokami
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In that case:
Say hello to people with a suboptimal heart. You are going to be surprised how much they love it. And their spouses too.
Paying 200 for a GPS-less device without the functionality the Apple Watch provides?
NO way.
Say hello to people with a suboptimal heart. You are going to be surprised how much they love it. And their spouses too.
Paying 200 for a GPS-less device without the functionality the Apple Watch provides?
NO way.
iReality85
macrumors 65816
It is true, but it varies a lot between countries. A lot of western nations + Japan have iPhone ownership in the 40-55% range, meaning close to every other person you see is going to have an iPhone. I was confused on this too until MR did an article on it recently. Made sense once I knew that iPhone user % is much higher in some countries than others.
Scottsdale
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I have had four Gen 3. The first three were cellular and all sucked for any type of connection. The fourth one I got was from my GF for Christmas. WiFi/BT and I would say other than notifications for maps telling me where to turn and notifications for iMessages due to hating my iPhone X FaceID, it is an all around meaningless device.
My heart rate is the only thing health wise it does that my iPhone doesn’t. At least I can not have to use FaceID to get into it, so I guess that is the most useful thing.
I am buying an S9+ as I switched to Verizon. That will axe the Apple Watch for good if the 600MHz Band 71 is as good as all of the researchers say.
The only Apple products I love right now are my MacBook Pro and iPad w/AirPods.
My MacBook Pro has been taken in many times due to faulty keys. So new top cases each time. I am fine with all USBc, happy with charging situation but when I needed additional Apple chargers it seems like nickel and dime-ing me - charger $89, USBc cable that only charges $19, extension cable $19: really Apple. Put the whole thing together and charge me whatever you want - I paid $3800 for the laptop, so don’t make me buy three part chargers. Fix the damn keyboard. I don’t care how - just fix it.
If the iPad Pro gets FaceID I will puke. About 1/4 of the people I know love FaceID, 1/4 disabled it, and 1/2 hate it. I despise it. Yes, I know how to use it. Yes, I tried many different angles and see others use it. It always works so that isn’t the problem. The problem is Apple solved a problem that wasn’t there and it’s extremely slower and requires me to hold my iPhone in front of my face in an awkward way that I would never otherwise hold it.
HomePod - have it. It’s okay. I would say my GF loves it more than I do. If I could buy a second and get stereo sound - maybe it would be okay.
Siri doesn’t just suck - she’s freaking worthless. Tim Cook should fire someone for that and beg Scott Forstall to come back. He was the innovator at Apple.
For the love of all things good and holy, just make stuff that works. Don’t solve problems that aren’t there - aka TouchBar & FaceID. I get my iPhone out of my pocket or off a desk 175 times per day, so FaceID makes far more sense for an iPad or Mac, but don’t force it on me. Give me a choice to use TouchID.
One thing that Jon Gruber is just plain wrong about is that Samsung is doing what people want - paraphrasing- Apple is giving people the future. No no no - Samsung is giving people a CHOICE! Ask people who actually have an iPhone X, is there FaceID better at any time than in the gym where one’s hands may be slightly sweaty? No, by the time my iPhone is out of my pocket with TouchID, it was all ready unlocked. All those tests were dumbfounding to me showing the FaceID vs TouchID. I put my iPhone in upside down so the speakers point out and screen towards the leg. The thumb naturally hits it exactly where it needs to be so it’s unlocked in my pocket while bringing it out.
If Apple wants to leave the FaceID and improve it, great. But think of this like Apple Maps not like the implementation of TouchID - when Apple MAPS was released, the average iPhone user just had Apple Maps and it didn’t/doesn’t just work. Apple gave people a much worse solution. Tim fired Scott over it and that was the most disastrous thing to come of it. Had Apple left Google Maps on there and a little setting allowing people to try either way, nobody would have cared. Sure, I get that Apple wants to make money charging for its own advertising, but not at the cost of the customer. Now, when TouchID was implemented everyone complained but they could just turn it off if worries about it and still type in a bunch of characters or just four. With FaceID, we should be able to revert back to what we like TouchID. That’s the difference.
Apple Watch fails me for the same reason as Home Pod, it’s not going to keep me in the EcoSystem. I have been here since iPhone in 2007! I will probably buy one more iPhone if it has TouchID and FaceID. Apple has to learn from its mistakes - it’s not solving anything with its current solutions. Apple Watch doesn’t allow me to wear it at night and track my sleeping as it would be dead the next morning. Fix the battery life or get wireless charging going that works while I am wearing it beaming from desk - WATT!
My sister in law loved her FitBit or however it’s called/spelled. My Brother bought her an Apple Watch, for her it was immediate disgust. It does nothing better for fitness and she cannot wear it all week.
Apple used to be innovative and solve problems. Now, its leader is clueless to innovation and thinks his personal agenda and stock vesting are more important. I say leave Tim Cook on as the CFO and hire Forstall back or Elon Musk to innovate!!! It’s a tech company being run by a great amazing man that doesn’t know anything about innovation in technology. What I see is a money grab at the top of AAPL with all execs taking as much as they can from the iPhone Cash Cow, but the milk will run dry. My numbers show about 85% of AAPL net profits come from iPhone.
This means that Apple doesn’t need to innovate complementary products, it needs to innovate or buy new areas to grow in technology. Services are great but Apple’s suck. There’s a starting point. Why Apple didn’t buy DropBox is beyond me... the whole thing is dumbfounding. Sorry for the rant.
No Apple Watch will not keep me in the ecosystem, and that’s what it’s designed to do.
My heart rate is the only thing health wise it does that my iPhone doesn’t. At least I can not have to use FaceID to get into it, so I guess that is the most useful thing.
I am buying an S9+ as I switched to Verizon. That will axe the Apple Watch for good if the 600MHz Band 71 is as good as all of the researchers say.
The only Apple products I love right now are my MacBook Pro and iPad w/AirPods.
My MacBook Pro has been taken in many times due to faulty keys. So new top cases each time. I am fine with all USBc, happy with charging situation but when I needed additional Apple chargers it seems like nickel and dime-ing me - charger $89, USBc cable that only charges $19, extension cable $19: really Apple. Put the whole thing together and charge me whatever you want - I paid $3800 for the laptop, so don’t make me buy three part chargers. Fix the damn keyboard. I don’t care how - just fix it.
If the iPad Pro gets FaceID I will puke. About 1/4 of the people I know love FaceID, 1/4 disabled it, and 1/2 hate it. I despise it. Yes, I know how to use it. Yes, I tried many different angles and see others use it. It always works so that isn’t the problem. The problem is Apple solved a problem that wasn’t there and it’s extremely slower and requires me to hold my iPhone in front of my face in an awkward way that I would never otherwise hold it.
HomePod - have it. It’s okay. I would say my GF loves it more than I do. If I could buy a second and get stereo sound - maybe it would be okay.
Siri doesn’t just suck - she’s freaking worthless. Tim Cook should fire someone for that and beg Scott Forstall to come back. He was the innovator at Apple.
For the love of all things good and holy, just make stuff that works. Don’t solve problems that aren’t there - aka TouchBar & FaceID. I get my iPhone out of my pocket or off a desk 175 times per day, so FaceID makes far more sense for an iPad or Mac, but don’t force it on me. Give me a choice to use TouchID.
One thing that Jon Gruber is just plain wrong about is that Samsung is doing what people want - paraphrasing- Apple is giving people the future. No no no - Samsung is giving people a CHOICE! Ask people who actually have an iPhone X, is there FaceID better at any time than in the gym where one’s hands may be slightly sweaty? No, by the time my iPhone is out of my pocket with TouchID, it was all ready unlocked. All those tests were dumbfounding to me showing the FaceID vs TouchID. I put my iPhone in upside down so the speakers point out and screen towards the leg. The thumb naturally hits it exactly where it needs to be so it’s unlocked in my pocket while bringing it out.
If Apple wants to leave the FaceID and improve it, great. But think of this like Apple Maps not like the implementation of TouchID - when Apple MAPS was released, the average iPhone user just had Apple Maps and it didn’t/doesn’t just work. Apple gave people a much worse solution. Tim fired Scott over it and that was the most disastrous thing to come of it. Had Apple left Google Maps on there and a little setting allowing people to try either way, nobody would have cared. Sure, I get that Apple wants to make money charging for its own advertising, but not at the cost of the customer. Now, when TouchID was implemented everyone complained but they could just turn it off if worries about it and still type in a bunch of characters or just four. With FaceID, we should be able to revert back to what we like TouchID. That’s the difference.
Apple Watch fails me for the same reason as Home Pod, it’s not going to keep me in the EcoSystem. I have been here since iPhone in 2007! I will probably buy one more iPhone if it has TouchID and FaceID. Apple has to learn from its mistakes - it’s not solving anything with its current solutions. Apple Watch doesn’t allow me to wear it at night and track my sleeping as it would be dead the next morning. Fix the battery life or get wireless charging going that works while I am wearing it beaming from desk - WATT!
My sister in law loved her FitBit or however it’s called/spelled. My Brother bought her an Apple Watch, for her it was immediate disgust. It does nothing better for fitness and she cannot wear it all week.
Apple used to be innovative and solve problems. Now, its leader is clueless to innovation and thinks his personal agenda and stock vesting are more important. I say leave Tim Cook on as the CFO and hire Forstall back or Elon Musk to innovate!!! It’s a tech company being run by a great amazing man that doesn’t know anything about innovation in technology. What I see is a money grab at the top of AAPL with all execs taking as much as they can from the iPhone Cash Cow, but the milk will run dry. My numbers show about 85% of AAPL net profits come from iPhone.
This means that Apple doesn’t need to innovate complementary products, it needs to innovate or buy new areas to grow in technology. Services are great but Apple’s suck. There’s a starting point. Why Apple didn’t buy DropBox is beyond me... the whole thing is dumbfounding. Sorry for the rant.
No Apple Watch will not keep me in the ecosystem, and that’s what it’s designed to do.
86% / 14% split between Android / iOS worldwide last year according to research firm Gartner:
https://www.macrumors.com/2018/02/22/ios-android-duopoloy-reaches-99-9-percent/
The % is a lot higher for iPhones in the US/UK/Canada, a lot lower in places like India.
Here Is my take on the Apple Watch:
My passion about the Apple Watch is that conveniences me where I don’t have to have my iPhone tethered with me all the time, and the most important aspect of the Apple Watch and it’s future, is health related. I think Apple is going invest in some very compelling health features of the Apple Watch with glucose monitoring that would be a major factor in the future. Apple wants to take the Apple Watch to new levels and they promote the Apple Watch with fitness, which I think has changed lives for those who use it on a daily routine with their exercise regiment. Apple Watch is just in the beginning, there is so much more potential in the future.
My passion about the Apple Watch is that conveniences me where I don’t have to have my iPhone tethered with me all the time, and the most important aspect of the Apple Watch and it’s future, is health related. I think Apple is going invest in some very compelling health features of the Apple Watch with glucose monitoring that would be a major factor in the future. Apple wants to take the Apple Watch to new levels and they promote the Apple Watch with fitness, which I think has changed lives for those who use it on a daily routine with their exercise regiment. Apple Watch is just in the beginning, there is so much more potential in the future.
Bill you sound like Pebble. Y’all remember Pebble? Who trashed Ive’s presentation of the first Apple Watch.
Of course, pebble went out of business in 2016, abandoned its customers and future warranties. Back in my day you couldn’t talk trash like this unless you were the best.
djlythium
macrumors 65816
Take 1: Psh. Imbecile.
Take 3: If HomePod was that cool, I might even consider one. ...might.
Take 4: C’mon, Siri revamp announced at WWDC ‘18!
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Take 3: If HomePod was that cool, I might even consider one. ...might.
Take 4: C’mon, Siri revamp announced at WWDC ‘18!
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Can’t mess with the numbers. Any thoughts as to why we see this trend? I say it’s because Apple devices are so damn expensive.
nekonokami
macrumors member
Right ...
That's like the guy comparing US 57% MAX tax starting at 400+ thousand income/year - omg plus some 13% state tax !!!! - with some EU countries 55% for 60+thousand income per year and calling the US income tax worse ...
Neglecting the additional taxes and health care fees - those a percentage of your income and no additional coverage, no matter how much you pay.
You just can't cure stpd.
nekonokami
macrumors member
And some thought to the aggregating trolls at MR:
Does Apple want more of the Android market? Like the sub $300 which is the dominant one? You bet they don't.
Neither do the devs.
Does Apple want more of the Android market? Like the sub $300 which is the dominant one? You bet they don't.
Neither do the devs.
deputy_doofy
macrumors 65816
BigMcGuire
macrumors G4
Been doing some travelling last month for work and I couldn't keep track of all the Apple Watches I saw at the airports.
Same here. My AW 3 (wife is the same on this with me) -- is the greatest thing I've purchased in a long time. Love this thing, use it every hour, can't imagine not having one now. Highly recommend it. The few AW users I've met in real life seem to share my feelings towards their apple watches as well.
Apple_Robert
Contributor
Mr. Fitbit needs to get out more, if he hasn't seen anyone passionate about the Apple Watch. A good place to look is MacRumors. I see many happy Apple Watch users during my workday. It is like watching a live commercial.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
There are reports available that present results from actual scientific surveys that could probably lay out solid answers to that very specifically. I haven't got to read such reports, so I don't know.
If I were to guess, I'd agree with your guess that pricing makes a huge difference here. Lots of people choose based on price... not so much that Apple is "d*mn expensive" but more so at the other end "what's the cheapest smart phone I can get?" and then maybe "what's the next cheapest?", etc until they find a balance of lower price and "good enough" features to buy that phone.
Android is also the underpinnings of some "dumb?" phones and likely still gets counted too. So some of that is likely to be the phones you can buy that actually only cost $75 or $150 UNsubsidized, that run on the Android OS. But even there again- price is likely the dominant driver of that purchase decision.
Again, just look at the past. It took Windows a long time to get as functionally good as the Macintosh OS (though some will passionately still argue against even the suggestion of such equivalency still today). But Apple wanted dominanting control and maximum profits per unit sold. Microsoft decided to go for volume over maximizing profits on each unit sold. For a while both co-existed with both getting what they wanted: Apple making a lot of profit for each Mac they sold, Windows-driven PCs selling at 3 for every Mac sold, then 5 PCs, then 7, then 9.
Price probably more than anything else made more and more people & business opt for the "inferior" Windows OS vs. the "superior" Mac OS. Eventually, Windows mostly "caught up" to the Mac OS enough to make it hard to justify paying up for a Mac over getting a Windows PC. Besides, software generally came out on PCs first- often exclusively- because software developers opted to go for the lion's share of the market instead of writing for the tiny slice that was a very profitable segment of the market (for Apple).
Eventually, Windows "settled in" at about 93% and Mac at about 7%, give or take a few percentage points at any given time. It's pretty much been that way ever since. Windows pretty much rules the computing world (though I certainly prefer macOS myself, having to leverage bootcamp to be able to switch into Windows when a client has software that only runs on Windows that I need to run and/or when I need to collaborate with clients who need 100% compatibility with the Windows versions of the software they use).
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jmgregory1
macrumors 68040
That photo that shows the Watch next to the new Fitbit, unlike the last article talking about the new Fitbit, really makes the Fitbit look oddly shaped. I didn't think the Apple Watch was square like the Fitbit (I don't own a Watch), but the Fitbit really just looks bad - like a child's version of a smartwatch.
Michael Goff
Suspended
Fitbit’s CFO is coming off as really defensive for some reason.
nutmac
macrumors 603
FitBit might right in that many Apple Watch users aren't passionate about the product. But many find it very useful and nice to have. It is particularly true when I occasionally forget to go outside without my Apple Watch.
Anyway, what is true is that when I had FitBit, I certainly didn't feel it was very useful and nice to have. It didn't help that 4 FitBits died in 1 year that I had it.
Anyway, what is true is that when I had FitBit, I certainly didn't feel it was very useful and nice to have. It didn't help that 4 FitBits died in 1 year that I had it.