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Quick Takes: 'Why Hasn't Samsung Ditched the Headphone Jack Yet?'
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As my post implied, I obviously did try with limited success.
The thing is: in order to access my old links, I’d have to figure out *when* I added them, I believe. Maybe there’s a way, but it’s too much hassle for something that wouldn’t cost MacRumors much space and bandwidth.
your failure of critical thinking is that having the headphone jack for those who do want it, does NOT preclude the W1 or wireless.
you call people who have h eavily invested in using a universal standard "Cry babies" without using a single bit of actual thought yourself. You are repeating corporate talk without actually thinking of WHY it was removed.
there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with you being 100% wireless. I'm happy that you are fine with it. But you loving being 100% wireless doesn't suddenly mean that it works for me.
you should be ashamed of your post.
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yes. if we pick through all the actual nitty gritty details of why it was removed, the ONLY logical explanation is profitability and revenue generation.
There was no technical reason for it. None of the so called "technical" claims actually are realistic. (UNless of course Apple's engineering has fallen so far they can't seem to do what other companies have).
Waterproofing? the 3.5mm jack has been able to be waterproofed for a LONG time. I had walkmans with waterproofing that had open 3.5mm jacks.
Barometer sensor and the plastic thingymabob... yet nobody else seems to have needed this to accomplish the same sensor
space for the Haptic engine to replace the home button... with a homebutton that mimmicks the physical home button... yes. They replaced a perfectly functioning solution, with a more complicated solution just to mimmick and provide the identical solution they already had.
what else? what other possible technical reasons? none.
what FINANCIAL reasons? REvenue.
the 3.5mm headphone jack is completely standard and ubiquitious. Apple cannot charge people for using it. And any manufacturer can use it for any audio purposes completely revenue free to apple. from $1 gas station headphones to $1000 audio hifi units.
remove the jack and people no longer can easily use audio technology without potentially paying Apple. Either buying Apple's own product devices (Beats, Earpods). Made for iPhone (MFI) licensing to use the lightning port, or the occasional replacement dongle direct from Apple.
in addition, Apple has their own brandline of headphones now that they would wish to drive people towards. Beats.
anyone who doesn't believe that this was a revenue driven decision, is really out to lunch.
He has no control over this as you or I have no control. That it doesn't work for you, means you have to look at options at it relates to you. Nobody knows the real reason it was removed (and don't go through the tired meme of profits
). But I doubt it was said let's squeeze the customer. $87B in a quarter is not enough for Apple.If you pick through the details, you may conclude it was profits...notice I said conclude and not prove (which nobody will be able to do, unless one was directly in those conversations at HQ). Regardless of whether you believe people are "out to lunch" if they don't believe as you do, that it was a revenue generated decision. Apple hasn't made a dime from me on this front. I still use my earpods with my iphone 7 and bought a pair of sony wired headphones as well as non-apple bluetooth headphones.
The other thing that people seem to forget about this is Apple saves money from having to spend on labor, parts sourcing, R&D, and delivery for the 3.5mm headphone jack. It all adds up in process pipelines.
Of course there's a revenue decision. Flash also drove iOS users to purchase apps from the App Store. What we are saying is that revenue isn't the sole driving force, and that the people who bemoan the loss of the headphone jack are missing the bigger picture here.
It's all about driving users to adopt wireless headphones. Not for the sale of selling more AirPods and adaptors but because Apple has a vision of a wireless future where everything is connected wirelessly to your iPhone.
And for this to take off, the headphone jack on the iPhone has to die. The lesson Apple keeps teaching and others keep ignoring is: to create true meaningful change in a market you need to force change. By taking bold unapologetic stances. Here’s a touchscreen smart phone without the familiarity of a physical Qwerty keyboard. Here’s a large screen tablet without a desktop OS and desktop apps and file system. Here’s a smart phone without a headphone jack.
It seems like people have learnt nothing from Apple's history of doing away with technologies.
The problem with your statement is that the headphone jack has been ubiquitous as early as the late 1800s. Hardly anyone complained about having a headphone jack. In fact, some of us enjoyed having the option of being able to use BT or wired. Options are good for the consumer.
Why would Apple force us to abandon it? Do you honestly think it's not because they want us to buy rechargeable wireless headphones equipped with their W1 chipsets? Other than convenience (which is arguable because you have to remember to charge), what problem are they trying to solve here that people apparently have?
Remember Firewire? How did that play out?
It’s almost as though you didn’t read a single word of my earlier response.
They are not about giving the most options, but about making technology more personal. And sometimes this means removing certain technologies as much as adding them, especially if that tech was (in Apple’s opinion) preventing users from interacting properly with their devices.
I don’t think it’s any coincidence that the only way to consume music from your Apple Watch are Bluetooth headsets. Apple doesn’t want you using wires with your mobile devices.
As Apple increasingly pivots into wearables, the only way to interact with them all will be via wireless.
In short, Apple may well be making the wrong move now (removing the headphone jack) so they can make the right move down the road (sell wearables to users already accustomed to wireless tech).
Trying to usher in a new world order doesn’t mean you succeed. It simply means you tried. Apple’s track record with pushing for certain standards has been fairly mixed, and that shouldn’t stop them from continuing to do what they believe is right.
There’s a video on YouTube - the grand theory of Apple, which does a pretty good job of explaining Apple’s rationale here. Far better than me at any rate.
You don’t know how Apple works then.
They are not about giving the most options, but about making technology more personal. And sometimes this means removing certain technologies as much as adding them, especially if that tech was (in Apple’s opinion) preventing users from interacting properly with their devices.
I don’t think it’s any coincidence that the only way to consume music from your Apple Watch are Bluetooth headsets. Apple doesn’t want you using wires with your mobile devices.
Partly revenue, partly vision.
As Apple increasingly pivots into wearables, the only way to interact with them all will be via wireless.
In short, Apple may well be making the wrong move now (removing the headphone jack) so they can make the right move down the road (sell wearables to users already accustomed to wireless tech).
Trying to usher in a new world order doesn’t mean you succeed. It simply means you tried. Apple’s track record with pushing for certain standards has been fairly mixed, and that shouldn’t stop them from continuing to do what they believe is right.
There’s a video on YouTube - the grand theory of Apple, which does a pretty good job of explaining Apple’s rationale here. Far better than me at any rate.
I read your previous post. The issue with it is you are justifying without rationale.
Unless you're next to Tim Cook, you don't know Apple either. There is a huge difference between what goes on internally vs what you hear in PR. It's irrational to take ALL PAs/PRs as 100% truth with no reason.
Actions speak louder than words, no?
Here's a very recent example where they are preventing users from interacting properly with their devices: USB-C to lightning debacle. I cannot charge my iPhone X with my Macbook 2016 without a USB C to A adapter. What if I have to transfer things to Photo? You might answer Airdrop, but El Capitan/Sierra/High Sierra occasionally has issues with compatibility where it doesn't see my device. The answer of course is to always remember to carry an adapter which ironically wasn't necessary in 2015.
But I must believe that Apple knows what's best for me even though I don't have any devices other than the MBP 2016 that requires USB-C.
You're really reaching here. Why would you wear a smart watch and have a wire connected to it? Dick Tracy didn't even have wires coming out of his watch and that was in the 60s.
So yeah, there's no coincidence.
This is an oxymoron. Their vision is to drive revenue. If it weren't the case, you wouldn't be pricing your products for larger profit margins.
It's actually very biased. Some parts are somewhat interesting how one can think like that, and others are a bit naive.
For example, Apple competing against itself e.g. killing the iPod in favor of the iPhone. If you observed trends in the early 2000s, you would've seen phones were starting to be capable of storing music, and it was only a matter of time. My LG Chocolate replaced my iPod for a period of time even though they started creating Shuffles and Nanos.
A few quotes from the video that are narcissistic:
"Ignoring the customer has really paid off"
"Apple is right now designing something in CA to make their own products obsolete"
"They consider their judgement more important than yours"
Unless you're next to Tim Cook, you don't know Apple either. There is a huge difference between what goes on internally vs what you hear in PR. It's irrational to take ALL PAs/PRs as 100% truth with no reason.
Actions speak louder than words, no?
Here's a very recent example where they are preventing users from interacting properly with their devices: USB-C to lightning debacle. I cannot charge my iPhone X with my Macbook 2016 without a USB C to A adapter. What if I have to transfer things to Photo? You might answer Airdrop, but El Capitan/Sierra/High Sierra occasionally has issues with compatibility where it doesn't see my device. The answer of course is to always remember to carry an adapter which ironically wasn't necessary in 2015.
But I must believe that Apple knows what's best for me even though I don't have any devices other than the MBP 2016 that requires USB-C.
You're really reaching here. Why would you wear a smart watch and have a wire connected to it? Dick Tracy didn't even have wires coming out of his watch and that was in the 60s.
So yeah, there's no coincidence.
This is an oxymoron. Their vision is to drive revenue. If it weren't the case, you wouldn't be pricing your products for larger profit margins.
It's actually very biased. Some parts are somewhat interesting how one can think like that, and others are a bit naive.
For example, Apple competing against itself e.g. killing the iPod in favor of the iPhone. If you observed trends in the early 2000s, you would've seen phones were starting to be capable of storing music, and it was only a matter of time. My LG Chocolate replaced my iPod for a period of time even though they started creating Shuffles and Nanos.
A few quotes from the video that are narcissistic:
"Ignoring the customer has really paid off"
"Apple is right now designing something in CA to make their own products obsolete"
"They consider their judgement more important than yours"
In the same vein, I find it equally irrational to always assume the worst of Apple and keep criticising their every move, even as Apple continues to prosper in spite of all the criticism levelled at it.
Apple isn't perfect, but they aren't run by idiots either. When people have been claiming for countless years how Apple is doomed, and even the blindest of fools can tell you that Apple is clearly anything but, it makes you really wonder just who is experiencing cognitive dissonance.
The iPhone X sold despite costing $1000. The Apple Watch and AirPods are dominating their respective product categories despite being launched to much criticism. In general, I find that this forum doesn't exactly have a stellar track record when it comes to point out Apple's supposed missteps because seriously, how many times have their criticisms been dead wrong?
So what's stopping you from purchasing a USB-C to lightning cable?
Every company's vision is to drive revenue. Or did you think that Google gives away their services for free out of the kindness of their hearts?
Apple's business model is selling hardware, and as such, their vision is precisely to drive revenue through the sales of great hardware which people are willing to pay a premium for. If their products are indeed as flawed and problematic as you make them out to be, nobody would buy them, and those greater profit margins would have been for naught.
When you buy into the Apple ecosystem, you are essentially buying into Apple's vision of computing. For example, Apple envisions you using an iPhone and Apple Watch and using AirPods to switch between the two devices seamlessly. That's why the iPhone has no headphone jack, because in their ideal world, the jack is superfluous. And then at the end of the day, you return home and throw all 3 down on an airpower dock and let it handle the charging without you having to fiddle with cables or adaptors.
That is just one example of Apple's much-touted vision of a wireless future.
Is it expensive to put it all together? Sure, but let's not pretend we are not getting any benefits out of this arrangement.
And this makes the video incorrect how?
In my view, Apple is that narcissistic. And this is precisely what makes Apple so awesome in my book. How they can march to their own beat and not care a hoot about what the rest of the world thinks.
Well it is human nature to justify your purchase. Tell your self whatever you like but the fact remains those Airpods sound like trash compared to any comparably priced wired IEM. Wireless headphones have their place to if you just care about having no wires but taking the headphone jack out completly was a premature move by Apple. The reason Apple did it was the same reason they do everything, to make more money and Apple fans eat it up.
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It’s because Apple wanted to eliminate the bottom bezel.
Apple positioned the display controller behind the screen itself, rather than behind a bottom bezel. The 3.5 mm jack had to be eliminated for the sake of the flexible display panels in the iPhone X so that it could fold the bottom of the screen underneath itself, and position the display controller underneath it, it’s actually quite Brilliant.
Nothing to do with any of the conspiracy theories presented.
Samsung will follow suit. Anyone that thinks otherwise.... are only fooling themselves.
Apple positioned the display controller behind the screen itself, rather than behind a bottom bezel. The 3.5 mm jack had to be eliminated for the sake of the flexible display panels in the iPhone X so that it could fold the bottom of the screen underneath itself, and position the display controller underneath it, it’s actually quite Brilliant.
Nothing to do with any of the conspiracy theories presented.
Samsung will follow suit. Anyone that thinks otherwise.... are only fooling themselves.
I don't miss the headphone jack at all. Get some bluetooth headphones and move on because it's not coming back