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Have you read the daringfireball article I linked?

"No-name brand headphones at high prices" is a hard sell.

Maybe there are not enough brand names in the game, but the interface itself works wonderfully. Hardly a mess in my opinion.

What was a mess for me was when Apple got rid of the headphone jack and I was left with several pairs of high end headphones I had to buy dongles for. An additional $40 just in dongles for headphones. I had to buy one for each pair of headphones because I kept losing them or forgetting them.
 
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I think Google wins the arrogant prize.

In Pixel ads, Google poked fun at Apple's lack of a headphone jack...at the same time they were designing the Pixel 2 with no headphone jack.

Because Apple would never poke fun at another product ...Apple vs PC commercials that went on for years.
 
The real reason why Apple are pitching wireless audio is for the recurring revenue. When you buy a quality wired headset it lasts a lifetime and worse case it's user serviceable. Airpods, on the other hand, have to be charged multiple times a day shortening it's battery cycle life and since it's not user serviceable Apple charge $69 for out-of-warranty battery replacement for a product that probably costs $5 to manufacture. So, you're looking at spending $69 at least once or multiple times a year for higher-latency lower-quality sound.
 
No point transitioning over to USB-C when iPhone will be going completely portless in a few short years anyway. Lightning will be the last physical port we will see on iPhone.
I was replying to the question asking "why Samsung" and I don't see them transitioning to Lightning anytime soon.
 
In the end, the omission of headphone jacks, revising USB ports, or lightning connection all means we spend more for adapters, BT phones, and other interfaces. It’s not at all like the phaseout of the 3.5in floppy since technology had surpassed its usefulness. The transparency of technology led to a logical adoption of other storage media and easier transition away from the floppy which eventually was forgotten. The headphone jack still had a useful function not outweighed by advancement in technology. Eliminating the headphone jack really meant another cost and the inconvenience of keeping the BT phones charged or useage of an adapter.
 
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In addition: Larger Taptic Engine, water resistance, dust resistance, 3D Touch, wireless charging, larger camera module and a stronger device frame.

Oh, and iPhone X - 2716 mAh
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Maybe that's why there is a headphone jack still included IN THE BOX. Nothing has been taken away, as much as people want to bleat that there has.

yet Samsung can offer all that plus a headphone jack and a 3000mAh battery.
 
Because it makes no sense? Why would they ditch the headphone jack?

It's probably the first and last time that Humanity has managed to come up with a universal standard for something that is widely adopted, works perfectly well, is small and future-proof, is reversible, easy to manufacture, does not feature chips in the connectors, supports the best possible audio quality attainable (analog), and has been successfully around for 100 years.

Who in their right mind would want to ruin this?
 
1) ok
2) It comes with an adapter. You don’t need to buy anything.

I understand people who want a headphone jack, but you don’t have to typically go out and anything extra to continue to use your headphones.
To each their own. I have the 6s with iOS 9 because of few reasons.
1. iOS9 has PPTP VPN which works for VoIP in the country I am. Given that is not the ask for the majority of folks, let's move on to point number 2.
2. I use my company provided Lenovo laptop and constantly keep switching between the phone (headphone jack) and the PC's headphone jack.
Now I would have to buy two headphones to cater to this one need.

I see no point in losing the headphone jack for folks that need the ease of switch. Not to mention the charge and headphones natively inside the device without the need for a dongle. The dongle is so 1980's. Remember the Nortel dongles in those days.

Apple in recent years has gotten bullish over listening to its consumers. It clearly has one thing in mind. The profits to itself and to its investors. Look at the example of the HomePod. No external connections? What were they thinking? It's a half-baked product and they know people will flock to buy the next iteration making them even more money.

Apple Fan Boys won't see anything wrong with what they do.
 
Headphone jacks will eventually disappear but I'm not ready for it just yet. Bluetooth tech is really good now but still not perfect. Battery life and sound quality is lacking right now. That is why Apple is pushing for it to go away so you can buy their ugly, terrible sounding AirPods but normies won't notice how bad they sound so that is why they're selling like hotcakes.
 
Headphone jacks will eventually disappear but I'm not ready for it just yet. Bluetooth tech is really good now but still not perfect. Battery life and sound quality is lacking right now. That is why Apple is pushing for it to go away so you can buy their ugly, terrible sounding AirPods but normies won't notice how bad they sound so that is why they're selling like hotcakes.
It’s not like Apple has locked up the market in b/t headsets. I have three at home, none of them Apple branded. As well as EarPods when I want to go wired. Choice is great.
 
yet Samsung can offer all that plus a headphone jack and a 3000mAh battery.

Brilliant news! Did you also look at the dimensions? I guess not, cuz if you did you’d realise the phone you are citing is 10% larger than the phone you’re comparing it to.
 
It was never as easy as writing to a floppy, but by 1998, when the iMac came out, it was pretty straightforward*, even though you needed burning software on MacOS 9 - but I think its always been drag & drop in OS X.

Anyway, there was never a single technology that took over from the floppy: email attchments took up much of the slack, then Zip drives for larger files, at least two sizes of Magneto/Optical drives, Syquest cartridges, optically-tracked super-floppies (which also read floppy discs), DAT tape backup drives and a doofus that let you back up your hard drive to VHS tape...

However, CDRs came closest to being the "new floppies" because ~$1 for a blank disc that could hold 600MB of data was an argument-stopper, even if they were a bit of a faff to write. Zip/Syquest/MO/Superfloppies - and even rewritable CDs just cost too much to stick one in the post without a twinge.

*Ah, but I remember the days (~1990) when you had to create your image on an expensive MagOpt disc or Syquest cartridge and send it away to be burned. to CD... then the days (~1993) when you could have your own burner, but you needed a dedicated 1 GB hard drive (1GB!!!) to build the image on - and not just any HD, but a special "A/V" one that could be relied on to deliver a sustained 150KB per second (150KBps!!!) during the burn or you'd create a "coaster*" (which was not a joke when the blanks cost $25 a go - now you'd be able to sell it as a HomePod stand!).
I don't think there was ever anything as easy as a floppy for transferring files, except for flash drives. With email, you still have to log in on the target machine. With CDs, I don't recall it being drag and drop, and the rewritable ones broke after a few writes. Zip etc were dongles. The floppy was the only thing where you could put your Word doc onto it from any machine and put it onto any other machine with no hassle.
 
Because Apple would never poke fun at another product ...Apple vs PC commercials that went on for years.

I think you missed the point of my post. The point was not that Google was making fun of Apple for removing the headphone jack.

The point was that Google was making fun of Apple for removing the headphone jack while at the same time Google was itself also removing the headphone jack from their next model.
 
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Ugh, Apple is infuriatingly arrogant in this area. Them ditching the headphone jack and every connector on the MacBook Pro and replacing it with a still rarely used USB-C isn’t like their moves in the past.

When they ditched the optical drive I thought, “I haven’t used a disc in 3 months, this makes sense.”

Still to this day I find myself wishing for a headphone jack 3-5 times a week. I also have a MacBook Pro with usb c and have to use an adapter 2-4 times a DAY.


They don’t even ship usb C with iPhones for goodness sakes.

are you sure you have a Mac? where did you get a Mac from that doesn't have a 3.5mm audio port on it? lmaooo
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It’s not like Apple has locked up the market in b/t headsets. I have three at home, none of them Apple branded. As well as EarPods when I want to go wired. Choice is great.


sorry your headphones dont last more than a few hours and you cant listen to looseless audio and I have to put up with charging my AirPods case every 2-3 days LOL
 
Why would you go out of your way to make other people switch just because you did? Leave them to make their own choices.

Because I'm their functional IT, and brought them over to the Mac and iOS systems in the first place because I was there. Now I'm not there. And when they come to me for my recommendations I give them, which is not Apple, not anymore. What Apple, and I guess folks like you, forget is that the family/friend IT was the driver and advocate for Apple in the late 90s early 2000s, when they were trying to claw their way back from almost total collapse. We were the people helping to bridge the gap to an almost exclusively Windows world. Trouble shooting the differences between Windows and Mac versions of MSOffice. Getting functionality out of ActiveX drenched websites. Finding Mac replacements for already existing Windows programs. Pushing and advocating for Macs in our work places, and then taking the brunt of integrating them into Windows dominated networks.
 
Because I'm their functional IT, and brought them over to the Mac and iOS systems in the first place because I was there. Now I'm not there. And when they come to me for my recommendations I give them, which is not Apple, not anymore. What Apple, and I guess folks like you, forget is that the family/friend IT was the driver and advocate for Apple in the late 90s early 2000s, when they were trying to claw their way back from almost total collapse. We were the people helping to bridge the gap to an almost exclusively Windows world. Trouble shooting the differences between Windows and Mac versions of MSOffice. Getting functionality out of ActiveX drenched websites. Finding Mac replacements for already existing Windows programs. Pushing and advocating for Macs in our work places, and then taking the brunt of integrating them into Windows dominated networks.
Not for anything, there is no prize for being an Apple advocate. I use their products because I like them better than the competition. If someone asks my opinion of a phone to get, it’s iphone. Even my cousin, long time galaxy user is getting an iPhone, because she wants a change.
 
sorry your headphones dont last more than a few hours and you cant listen to looseless audio and I have to put up with charging my AirPods case every 2-3 days LOL

I have never had to listen to my Airpods long enough for them to run out of battery. I recharge my case about once every 6-7 days on average. Lack of lossless audio is no big deal when I am dealing with podcasts and Apple Music at any rate.

And you know what? My Airpods are that good that even if all the problems you mentioned above are true, I would still put up with them just so I don’t have to deal with wires. Their design is that good for me.
 
I don't think there was ever anything as easy as a floppy for transferring files, except for flash drives.

True... up until the point where 1.4MB just became too small to be useful.

With CDs, I don't recall it being drag and drop, and the rewritable ones broke after a few writes

On OS X, you stick the blank disc in, get an empty finder window, drag your files in, and then "Eject" the CD, at which point it gets burnt. Toast or whtever on MacOS 9 had a few extra steps but wasn't much more complicated... but yes, it wasn't quite such a no-brainer as using a floppy.
 
I got rid of my floppy discs years ago, and haven't looked back. I realize a lot of people like their jack security blanket. Start preparing yourselves now for life without it. Samsung will ditch it as well. Join the rest of us in the future. :)
How many years ago? Flash drives had made them totally pointless by like 2003. Nothing has surpassed headphone jacks. Bluetooth and BT headphones were both ubiquitous even before the first iPhone, but guess what, everyone still used wired. They haven't improved significantly since then. Nobody wanted to use them until Apple started forcing them.
 
One of the main reasons I love Apple, privacy.

Except if you are using any apps at all (Maps, Waze, Youtube, Safari, Google Search, GMail, Hulu, etc.), in which case there is no more "privacy" than you have with Android.
 
Except if you are using any apps at all (Maps, Waze, Youtube, Safari, Google Search, GMail, Hulu, etc.), in which case there is no more "privacy" than you have with Android.

True, but I'm not sure about the Safari app though. I would rather use Safari then Chrome or any other non-onion browser.
 
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