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Quicken 2007 May Run on OS X Lion, Even With Rosetta Dead

chaosconan said:
Cougarcat said:
Yes. It will say PowerPC under "Kind."

ALso, as someone else suggested, go to the Applications list in System Profiler and sort by Kind.


This worked. I'm going to lose 38 applications in the upgrade.
I'll be losing
Warcraft 3,
Starcraft Original
Starcraft BloodWar
SimCity 4
MacDraft :mad:
Hotspot Shield
and many others.

I love MacDraft. I can't lose this one. I use it all the time.
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Looks like I'll be losing some Adobe Illustrator features.
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chaosconan said:
UH! Thats a time consuming process!!!

I have over 100+ applications. Isn't there a faster way to tell? Can I do something from the command line to list all binaries that are PPC?
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Sorry, Dude. Just trying to provide some assistance. Personally, I am not going to check the Apple Programs, since those should be fine with Lion. I am just checking the non-Apple programs.

The link I provided has much more detail on the process and it even provides an example of the lipo command line tool to inspect an executable.

If that doesn't meet your needs, maybe you can research a better way to accomplish your objective.
 
I, too, am an old fart that his been a Mac Developer since 84 and even ran my own Mac software company. I've got 20 years of Quicken data (using 2006 currently), and almost as many years of Eudora mail.

Every 6 months or so, I check out Infinity Data Systems MailForge as Eudora replacement. It ALMOST works, but I run into bugs. (I just checked and they released another update recently, so I'll take a look again.)

For now, I just won't upgrade OSX. My computers are here to serve me. I'm not going to waste my "free" time migrating data because legacy emulation is too boring for a bunch of 30 year old punk developers at Apple HQ. Eventually an obvious replacement will emerge and I'll jump.

Programs like Eudora, Emacs and Quicken 06 may be ugly and perhaps clunky and unloved by their parents, but they ARE feature complete (well, in the case of the first two anyway!)
 
Cougarcat said:
Weird. Sounds like it would be easier just to start over and build the damn thing from the ground up.
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I don't know why you think it 'sounds' that way. You probably believe KnightWRX's assertions in another thread that it's impossible to run Rosetta without a whole ton of crap involved. The simple truth is it's just an emulator engine and like using Cider to port PC games is 10x easier than building a new binary, embedding some emulator code to make a PPC binary work is a lot easier than starting from scratch.
 
MagnusVonMagnum said:
I don't know why you think it 'sounds' that way. You probably believe KnightWRX's assertions in another thread that it's impossible to run Rosetta without a whole ton of crap involved. The simple truth is it's just an emulator engine and like using Cider to port PC games is 10x easier than building a new binary, embedding some emulator code to make a PPC binary work is a lot easier than starting from scratch.
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Why do you believe facts are crap ? Because they make sense of Apple's decision ? :rolleyes:

It's the plain truth. Rosetta, the binary, is just a small part of what makes PPC apps work. All librairies must still ship PPC code to work. This is what they stripped out in Lion since keeping a PPC build of the entire framework catalog, making sure it passes Q&A regressions and making sure not to introduce PPC bugs during patching is a big pain and a lot of work for Apple. Rosetta can't magically link a x86_64 or x86 librairie to a PPC binary.

Sucks that the crap involved makes the decision by Apple logical uh ? Hard to argue with facts and logic, much easier to write wall of text whines... ;)

If what I am saying is crap, counter it. Don't attack the messenger, attack the facts.
 
Why the app store???

blue22 said:
iBank4 looks really good, it has a lot of helpful video tutorials on their website as well, and most likely this is what I'll upgrade to as well. Just FYI: if you purchase the iBank4 license diretly from the Mac App store you won't be able to get the 30 day money-back guarantee that IGG Software offers when buying it from their online shop, so that's something to take into consideration before you spend any cash on this product.
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Just do what you did before the app store. Talk straight with your software company, take their 30 day free trial & go from there. What part of that includes the app store? Why should Apple get a cut or know what software I have installed on my Mac?
 
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blue22 said:
iBank4 looks really good, it has a lot of helpful video tutorials on their website as well, and most likely this is what I'll upgrade to as well. Just FYI: if you purchase the iBank4 license diretly from the Mac App store you won't be able to get the 30 day money-back guarantee that IGG Software offers when buying it from their online shop, so that's something to take into consideration before you spend any cash on this product.

heisetax said:
Just do what you did before the app store. Talk straight with your software company, take their 30 day free trial & go from there. What part of that includes the app store? Why should Apple get a cut or know what software I have installed on my Mac?
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Just to clarify, I was only trying to give a heads up to people as a friendly "FYI" that the 30-day money back guarantee is ONLY available if one buys iBank4 directly from the developer's website; otherwise, purchasing it from the Mac App store will forfeit this benefit as a buyer. Trust me, I'm all for supporting the software developer directly for their products through their own website whenever possible.
 
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HobeSoundDarryl said:
If software like this is essential to a user, here's the options:
  1. Don't go Lion- your computer & software will continue to work as it does now. Rosetta will continue to run. Rosetta-dependent software will continue to function.
  2. Create a small Snow Leopard partition, then boot into that when you need to run select PPC software in Rosetta.
  3. Embrace one of the Windows emulators and upgrade to the Windows version.
  4. Gripe, complain, vent, whine about this spilled milk but, as always, once it's spilled...

The first two options won't cost you anything in terms of dollars (the first one will save you $29). If there is some hope in the 4th one that Apple will "come around", a masses execution of #1 is the best chance at it (but I don't see that happening).

#2 appears to be an easy answer at no $ cost that also supports desires to upgrade OS X to the latest & greatest.

#3 is the solution I use now, which does involve a fair amount of cost but also facilitates the ability to use any other software for the Windows platform (of which there are countless titles NOT available for ANY version of the Mac OS- classic, PPC or Intel. If you sometimes wish you could run more than just an updated version of Quicken, spread the cost of the emulator + Windows around to all of the Windows stuff you want to be able to run and it makes the cost seem increasingly small.

#4 seems to be the one many are embracing. It accomplishes nothing.
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This is a great example of why the Mac platform is not a serious business/enterprise solution. If I need to replace a computer that runs Lion and my business still uses a legacy application then there's a problem. If I run a Windows-based business and I have to replace a computer and my business runs a legacy application from, say, 1999, no problem.

Sad state of affairs.
 
et tu?

Cougarcat said:
... ALso, as someone else suggested, go to the Applications list in System Profiler and sort by Kind.

This worked. I'm going to lose 38 applications in the upgrade.
I'll be losing
Warcraft 3,
Starcraft Original
Starcraft BloodWar
SimCity 4
MacDraft :mad:
Hotspot Shield
and many others.

...
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SimCity 4 too?! NOOOOOOO!!! :( What about SimCity 4: Rush Hour?!
 
mattwolfmatt said:
Soo...I have 10 years of quicken data. Assuming Quicken 07 won't work on Lion, is there any mac program that will read my quicken data?

Please oh please, don't tell me I have to run Windows on my mac.
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I don't know if anyone's mentioned this before (haven't read all the posts in this tread) but SEE Finance is a good one and will read quicken 07 data.

Edit: Yep, I see a lot of people have mentioned SF.
 
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dakwar said:
I don't know if anyone's mentioned this before (haven't read all the posts in this tread) but SEE Finance is a good one and will read quicken 07 data.

Edit: Yep, I see a lot of people have mentioned SF.
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Tried SEE Finance. The reports you can generate are crap. I can't even generate a basic high level ROI report on my brokerage account. Just a list of all stocks traded with the gain or loss. The level of customizing and creating reports is no where near what Quicken 2007 offers.

To those that don't care about reports and just want to record transactions it just peachy. If you want to use this like personal finance software should be used for, you know, to plan and manage your money...well it is pure junk.
 
Quicken Home & Business 2010

For a number of years I've been running various versions of Quicken H&B on a Macbook/Parallels. I have no quarrel with the program, but I'd love to be able to cut the cord on one of the few Windows programs I still run if I can find a suitable replacement for the Mac side. Anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks, Jim
 
Rodimus Prime said:
safe to say it is dead as well since it was built on top of SimCity4.
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No, there is a universal patch available.

That said, it's still an "open beta" patch and the reviews there aren't too good.

Also, someone mentioned that they'd loose Warcraft III. This is incorrect. I'm not sure why it appears as "PowerPC" in the System Profiler list, but it was definitely made universal and you can see this if you do a get info on the app.
 
doctor-don said:
We are referring to people who already own Quicken and don't want to have to buy a new version to satisfy the requirements of Lion.

I have the same problem with AppleWorks since the database won't import into one of the Apple products. And what is available won't use my data. I would have to enter everything again. What a waste of time!
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NAG said:
Eh?
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Even though your AppleWorks database forms will not import into Bento, the Bento form tool makes it fast and easy to build the forms you need, ...

Maybe I'll have to try Bento.
 
Quicken got its user base by underpricing competition

Back in the mid 1990s, there was a personal finance app that was better than Quicken. It was called Managing Your Money. I used MYM until it would no longer run on a current Mac system. At that time, there was no other choice but to switch to Quicken.

MYM cost around $60. Quicken came into the market priced around $35 and was also bundled with some new Macs. MYM couldn't compete on price and faded away.
 
davidg4781 said:
I've been using Quicken Essentials since it's come out and so far, I'm happy with it. Yeah, it doesn't have all the extra features some of y'all need, and I can understand your frustration with that, but for someone simple like me, it gets the job done.

Since it's come out, they have added more features to it. They're also pretty quick with updating any bugs. I think since it's been out, I've had to download about maybe 10 different updates.

Maybe later they might add some of those features, but for now, I'm a satisfied customer.

I did use Quicken 2006 for a few years and to me, it was clunkier and older feeling.
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Ya know, you are right. I just fired up my copy of Quicken Essential that I purchased when it first came out and downloaded all the updates (there have been quite a few). They even added password protection for the data file which was my biggest beef.

Just for fun I imported my 12 years of data from Quicken 2007 and everything came over perfectly. Went much better than the first time I did this last year.

I only do simple tracking of checking and savings accounts so this might actually work for now. I will run both versions concurrently and see where this goes.

It seems Intuit has been updating Essentials fairly well over the past year.
 
Chris Blount said:
Ya know, you are right. I just fired up my copy of Quicken Essential that I purchased when it first came out and downloaded all the updates (there have been quite a few). They even added password protection for the data file which was my biggest beef.

Just for fun I imported my 12 years of data from Quicken 2007 and everything came over perfectly. Went much better than the first time I did this last year.

I only do simple tracking of checking and savings accounts so this might actually work for now. I will run both versions concurrently and see where this goes.

It seems Intuit has been updating Essentials fairly well over the past year.
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They've also added some features that were missing from the original version that people were asking about. I think hopefully it'll get up to where it needs to be, but it'll take time. Unfortunately, even though Quicken's been on Mac's for years, this is like a brand new piece of software that they're putting together from scratch.
 
Apple needs to keep Rosetta

Hello, Apple? Anyone listening? There are hundreds of apps that have not been and never will be ported from Intel. There are many others that have been- for a price (financial software in particular). I'd love to migrate to Lion, but won't unless my crucial (read programs with hundreds of files associated with them) apps will run without the need to dual boot. Surely, with all of Apple's great software engineers out there, someone can come up with a 10.7 version of Rosetta. In the meantime, I will have no choice than to stay with SL, and Apple will lose my $30, and some of my goodwill...
 
I only do simple tracking of checking and savings accounts so this might actually work for now. I will run both versions concurrently and see where this goes.

It seems Intuit has been updating Essentials fairly well over the past year.[/QUOTE]

The main problem with Quicken Essentials, iBank, and the others is that they don't give the user many options and configurations as far as reports. I run 3 small businesses that required detailed reports. Quicken 5 (yes 5) still works on my 1 year old iMac and I can produce any kind of report, even comparison reports, filtered any which-a-way. Decent, full-featured reports are also very handy for doing one's taxes. Earlier versions of Quicken, with their faults, at least do reports and graphs exceedingly well. Apple needs to let users who are satisfied with those versions have the option to continue using them until there is some hardware reason why they won't. I don't like being pushed into "the future" because Steve seems to think backward compatibility is not "progress." Macs have always been very good at that, only phasing older systems out when new chips made them obsolete. But even then, their brilliant engineers would figure out a way to let us use those apps for years longer- Classic, Rosetta. It's too soon to orphan all PPC apps IMHO.
 
moore2772 said:
I run 3 small businesses that required detailed reports.
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Just curious, and not to sound like a jerk, but why not find a piece of software designed for small businesses instead of one geared towards personal finance? If it works for you, that's great, and again, I don't want to come off like a jerk.

Is it just because Quicken is working fine for you or there's a lack of small businesses software for Mac? If the latter's the case, it would seem this to be a huge opportunity for some software companies to jump on.
 
hayesk said:
There are a lot of smart programmers at Intuit - it's too bad their bosses are completely incompetent.
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I disagree with the smart programmers part.
I was in the "inner circle" program from Quicken Essentials. One of the developers said he could not understand why we needed check printing capabilities (and a few other needed functions). Needless to say, he was verbally thrashed for that idiotic comment.
Intuit is now reaping the rewards of off-shoring their programmers and these not so fine folks are delivering crap in return.
 
Where I live 95-99% of businesses us MYOB - Intuit were trying to work out why that was the case; the article of Intuit being too lazy to create a version of Quicken that is native for Mac OS X and 100% equal to the Windows counterpart really shows that they don't give a crap about their product. Sorry, if a MYOB can provide first class support for Mac users then I damn well expect Intuit to either do the same or give Mac users a refund for their purchased copy.
 
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