Quicken 2007 May Run on OS X Lion, Even With Rosetta Dead

[hayesk]

What is wrong with you people? This may in fact be the only option Intuit has that makes any kind of business sense. It's called legacy software, and it's expensive to maintain. They're not going to make any new money off this product, and the conversion costs could very well be insane.

They have a path going forward with a new code base. It may not be going well enough for you, but it's nice they're coming up with a solution for the old software at all.

Oh please. They have the most incompetent software architects on the planet. If Intuit had a shred of competency, they'd have a Mac version that used the same file format as the Windows version, used the same communications protocol for online banking, have feature parity, and could easily have updated it over the years. That would have made good business sense and would have been more profitable for them in the long run.

But instead, Quicken Essentials is basically saying "we %@ed up, so we're starting from scratch without any plan." Here's a plan for you, Intuit:
1. Write a Mac application that can read all of the data out of the Windows Quicken file.
2. Write down all of the features in Quicken for Windows.
3. Implement the all of the features from step 2 into the app you wrote in step 1.

They should have done this years ago. There are a lot of smart programmers at Intuit - it's too bad their bosses are completely incompetent.

 

[chaosconan]

Is apple going to provide a tool or utility that will tell you what software you have that wont work with OS Lion?
Before I upgrade I want to know which software is running under Rosette so that I can decide whether Its worth upgrading or not.

 

[Stridder44]

Weird. Sounds like it would be easier just to start over and build the damn thing from the ground up.

Yeah seriously. Why half-ass it? Just rebuild it entirely in Cocoa and 64-bit (even if 64-bit is useless for an application like this, no reason not to). Do things right the first time.

 

[killerbee79]

I wish this pipe dream of Intuit's was possible. I've searched endlessly for a replacement for Quicken 2007 and haven't found one suitable.

iBank4 is a joke of a program. Importing is not very easy if you have many accounts and most of the time after import the balances don't reconcile right with what you had. iBank needs to learn how to do + and -

Quicken Essentials, well everyone knows that app is a joke

I refuse to use an online service like Mint.

SEE Finance is the most promising so far. Still evaluating that one.

I guess I will be forever stuck with Snow Leopard and my Quicken 2007. Congrats Apple. You have locked me into my current Mac for life. I couldn't buy another Mac after Lion is released if I wanted to. I need Quicken 2007

 

[Thunderhawks]

Is apple going to provide a tool or utility that will tell you what software you have that wont work with OS Lion?
Before I upgrade I want to know which software is running under Rosette so that I can decide whether Its worth upgrading or not.

Yes, the spinning beach ball

 

[hindmost]

Rumor for Sure, Fact it is Not.

That's why they call this site 'MacRumors'. This is surely a low grade rumor. Looks like a functionary (big word for overpaid flunky) working for Intuit knows the free ride ends when LION gets released in a few weeks. What to do? Why, just spread a 'rumor' that Intuit is working on a solution to let the hopelessly outdated Quicken product work on LION.

I call BS on this! Apple doesn't even own Rosetta (it's under license to Apple for current OSX) and I doubt very much a special deal will be cut at this late date to somehow insert Rosetta and working codes into LION just to accommodate Quicken.

Hey folks, time to move on for Heaven's Sakes! Intuit has played the Mac Community for fools long enough. Man up!

 

[Cougarcat]

Is apple going to provide a tool or utility that will tell you what software you have that wont work with OS Lion?
Before I upgrade I want to know which software is running under Rosette so that I can decide whether Its worth upgrading or not.

Any software released 2006 and later should be intel-compatible. For your older apps, do Get Info on them. if it says "Kind: Application (PowerPC)," it won't run.

After you install Lion, incompatible apps will have a circle with a slash overlaid on their icons.

 

[Thunderhawks]

I wish this pipe dream of Intuit's was possible. I've searched endlessly for a replacement for Quicken 2007 and haven't found one suitable.

SEE Finance is nice except it doesn't off no where near the reports Quicken does. With SEE Finance you can't drill down and do reports on certain categories and such. Just crap.

iBank4 is a joke of a program. Importing is not very easy if you have many accounts and most of the time after import the balances don't reconcile right with what you had. iBank needs to learn how to do + and -

Quicken Essentials, well everyone knows that app is a joke

I refuse to use an online service like Mint.

I guess I will be forever stuck with Snow Leopard and my Quicken 2007. Congrats Apple. You have locked me into my current Mac for life. I couldn't buy another Mac after Lion is released if I wanted to. I need Quicken 2007

Yes, tried SEE Finance some more. Reports definitely weak and not configurable via preferences.

Same for entering info. Always grabbing the mouse :-(

The check book style entry one row look Quicken has is best.
So, is the full view of categories.

Many MAc Users have older hardware around.

I just put all old stuff onto a PPC model .

So 2007 will be it for now and since I am not doing this 24/7 I'll wait until somebody comes up with a useable app.

IMO Intuit management knows all the hate showing by Mac users in this thread. There is just nobody there who wants to change things or worse cares:-(.

 

[fabian9]

These people need to go back to first principals - it's a money management software for crying out loud. It's got a user interface and a set of features, surely it can't be that much different from writing any other app that serves a specific purpose!

 

[hindmost]

I wish this pipe dream of Intuit's was possible. I've searched endlessly for a replacement for Quicken 2007 and haven't found one suitable.

iBank4 is a joke of a program. Importing is not very easy if you have many accounts and most of the time after import the balances don't reconcile right with what you had. iBank needs to learn how to do + and -

Quicken Essentials, well everyone knows that app is a joke

I refuse to use an online service like Mint.

SEE Finance is the most promising so far. Still evaluating that one.

I guess I will be forever stuck with Snow Leopard and my Quicken 2007. Congrats Apple. You have locked me into my current Mac for life. I couldn't buy another Mac after Lion is released if I wanted to. I need Quicken 2007

It's NOT Apple's fault. You should be contacting Intuit and crying to them. Lots of Luck on that though. They've had 5 years notice that PPC coded apps were not going to workable forever. They did nothing. Well....they did put out the flawed 'Quicken Essentials for Mac'. Oh, and they started this bogus rumor that they are working on Rosetta being usable in LION. Ha!

 

[kingtj]

re: iBank

I moved from Quicken 2007 for Mac to iBank as well, a couple years ago or so.

I got tired of Intuit dropping the ball on native Mac support.

To be honest, iBank wasn't that great of a product at first, but they've come a long way with it, to where I can solidly recommend it now -- at least for basic tracking of checking/savings accounts and credit cards.

In earlier versions, it would seem to "lose track" of the occasional entry, so despite it being visible on your screen, it wasn't subtracting the dollar value from your total balance. To correct things, I had to delete the offending entry and re-enter it again. It was just enough of an issue to be annoying, but was easily fixable when it happened. It still made me lose a lot of faith in the stability of the code, though. But that hasn't happened to me anymore in recent releases, nor do I see the sluggishness it used to have adding new entries.

iBank worked great reading in our data - not 10 years worth, but at least you can download the trial and give it a try: http://www.iggsoftware.com/ibank/

 

[TransSharehold]

Finding your PPC apps

The Bash code from Doug Harris at the end of this web page is very useful <http://superuser.com/questions/183463/inventory-of-apps-which-require-rosetta>.

I also strongly suspect Apple have the rights to do anything they want with Rosetta in perpetuity. So that would include ignoring it or doing specials, as this rumor thread discusses.

 

[kingtj]

re: TurboTax alternative

The only reasonable TurboTax alternative I know of for OS X is H&R Block TaxCut. They make home and business editions just like TurboTax has, and I know a few people who swear it gives them bigger refunds than TurboTax does.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0..._m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=17HVPACCB9N3SF58869Y

I agree with the guy above. Intuit needs to build a full feature Quicken for the Mac. It has been five years since they updated it. I wonder if there is a good mac substitute for Turbo Tax? Send Intuit a strong message by dumping them completely.

 

[fidelityrevo]

For the love of god, just make Rosetta an optional download like it is now and all our lives easier.

Other essential applications like Eudora won't work without Rosetta. The OSE of Eudora simply isn't developed enough. It is infuriating Apple won't support Rosetta. This simply isn't acceptable! There is no other e-mail program any where as good as Eudora. Quicken 2007, Eudora, there are other programs that need it. The legacy value of Rosetta is immense. I have other applications that need Rosetta that have data in them. Come on Apple, don't be EVIL.

 

[seek3r]

Crossover or another wine program should be able to do it fine no 3D graphics etc.

+1 (though I'll quibble that some 3D graphics run just fine in WINE/CX)

Another option would be a full blown Virtual Machine with Snow Leopard (though you either need to be using SL Server in the VM or break the EULA of Client + some minor hackery for that option)

 

[chaosconan]

Any software released 2006 and later should be intel-compatible. For your older apps, do Get Info on them. if it says "Kind: Application (PowerPC)," it won't run.

After you install Lion, incompatible apps will have a circle with a slash overlaid on their icons.

Can I use Activity Monitor and check the column KIND to determine whether its running under PPC or INTEL?

 

[Hberg]

Macrumors Resource

Macrumors provides a guide on Rosetta, and it provides you way to identify which programs were only written for PowerPC and will use Rosetta when run on an Intel Mac.

http://guides.macrumors.com/Rosetta

"To tell what processor a particular application was built for, simply choose the application in Finder and choose Get-Info from the File Menu.


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• Universal means it was written for both PowerPC and Intel.
• PowerPC means it was only written for PowerPC and will use Rosetta when run on an Intel Mac.
• Intel means it was only written for Intel and will only run on an Intel Mac.

"

 

[SamuraiArtGuy]

I wonder if the folks at Quicken are aware of the (to say the least) dissatisfaction of Mac users for their product. If so, why not make an explicit public declaration that they are committed to make QME a solid personal finance program and that their goal is to create functionality parity with its other Quicken products? I sense no guiding principle to their Quicken product plans...

...I can only assume that misery loves company.

Apparently not, since is seems Intuit would rather reach back nearly 5 years into the past to kludge an aging app back to life than go to the more sensible effort of porting one of the more fully featured and mature Windows Quicken versions to Mac OS X.

So their regard for Mac users and the Mac market can't be very high. Or they're THAT clueless. I wonder what windows users think of Quicken. Mind you the upsell product, QuickBooks is reasonably well regarded on the Windows side. And there's even a QuickBooks 2011 for Mac, with reasonably close feature parity with Windows Quickbooks Pro 2011.

I don't know quite why Quicken for the Mac has been so dismissed. But even on the windows side, it's NOT a flagship product for Intuit.

But it surely has.

 

[chaosconan]

Macrumors provides a guide on Rosetta, and it provides you way to identify which programs were only written for PowerPC and will use Rosetta when run on an Intel Mac.

http://guides.macrumors.com/Rosetta

"To tell what processor a particular application was built for, simply choose the application in Finder and choose Get-Info from the File Menu.

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Image:Itunesuniversal.png

• Universal means it was written for both PowerPC and Intel.
• PowerPC means it was only written for PowerPC and will use Rosetta when run on an Intel Mac.
• Intel means it was only written for Intel and will only run on an Intel Mac.

"

UH! Thats a time consuming process!!!

I have over 100+ applications. Isn't there a faster way to tell? Can I do something from the command line to list all binaries that are PPC?

 

[chaosconan]

My MacTheRipper is PowerPC. This sucks. I'll lose this upgrading to Lion.
I use this every week ripping dvd's.

 

[Cougarcat]

Can I use Activity Monitor and check the column KIND to determine whether its running under PPC or INTEL?

Yes. It will say PowerPC under "Kind."

ALso, as someone else suggested, go to the Applications list in System Profiler and sort by Kind.

My MacTheRipper is PowerPC. This sucks. I'll lose this upgrading to Lion.
I use this every week ripping netflix dvd's.

Use Handbrake. MacTheRipper hasn't been updated since 2005.

Also, why on earth would you admit to pirating Netflix DVDs??

 

[chaosconan]

Yes. It will say PowerPC under "Kind."

ALso, as someone else suggested, go to the Applications list in System Profiler and sort by Kind.




Use Handbrake. MacTheRipper hasn't been updated since 2005.

I use handbrake to convert to my ipod touch but it does not do any dvd cloning. I could be wrong. I didn't see any option that makes a clone. I guess I'll have to open my wallet and buy a dvd ripping software.

 

[chaosconan]

Yes. It will say PowerPC under "Kind."

ALso, as someone else suggested, go to the Applications list in System Profiler and sort by Kind.


This worked. I'm going to lose 38 applications in the upgrade.
I'll be losing
Warcraft 3,
Starcraft Original
Starcraft BloodWar
SimCity 4
MacDraft
Hotspot Shield
and many others.

I love MacDraft. I can't lose this one. I use it all the time.

 

[chaosconan]

Yes. It will say PowerPC under "Kind."

ALso, as someone else suggested, go to the Applications list in System Profiler and sort by Kind.




Use Handbrake. MacTheRipper hasn't been updated since 2005.

Also, why on earth would you admit to pirating Netflix DVDs??

I'm just joking I really am not ripping Netflix. I don't even have a netflix account.

 

[ActionableMango]

For the love of god, just make Rosetta an optional download like it is now and all our lives easier.

YES PLEASE.

Unfortunately, it's not that simple. Apple is predicted to be pulling the PowerPC frameworks too. Without those, Rosetta won't run.

Then make that a downloadable extension as well.

PowerPC was around a long time and has a big legacy. There are four reasons why many of us would like it:

(1) Games. That's right, games existing on Mac before Steam. And they are mostly PowerPC. And they mostly have no Intel substitute. Sure we can replace Diablo II when III comes out, but what about the classis like Warcraft or AoE?

(2) Cost. Many of us use a lot of Adobe software. In particular I use Photoshop. It's extremely expensive to replace all that.

(3) Unique titles with no replacement. Many titles can't be replaced even if we're willing to pay for them. Quicken is an example of that. Also MactheRipper as someone else mentioned.

(4) It's comparatively ridiculous. I can run DOS programs, Windows programs, Linux programs, Commodore 64 programs, Arcade ROMs, and more all on OS X using various emulators, but I won't be able to run OS X programs that are a few years old on OS X???

I realize a lot of you don't give a rip about Rosetta, and that's fine. I'm not asking to bloat Lion with it, I'm asking to make it an optional download.