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So, which is it? Useless or nice? ;)

I'm indecisive. qs works and works well as an app launcher, but if you were using it only as an app launcher, you're missing out. and unless you have spotlight disabled, spotlight should work just fine for that kind of thing.

it's nice, but I guess I mean to say that if you're using it ONLY for app launching, it's not entirely useful.
 
Quicksilver using Spotlight search?

Hi all,
i've just started playing with Quicksilver and love it, but i'm wondering - is it possible ot get Quicksilver to use Spotlight's search database rather than doing it's own indexing.
Just seems a bit of a double-up...

Thanks!
 
My hand is always on my trackpad/mouse and as many times as I've tried Quicksilver I can't seem to integrate it into computing. Every time I read a thread like this or talk to my one friend who uses the thing religiously I feel the need to try it. I think its too much in one thing for me to find useful. My vote goes to Spotlight.
 
Uh...?

Hi all,
i've just started playing with Quicksilver and love it, but i'm wondering - is it possible ot get Quicksilver to use Spotlight's search database rather than doing it's own indexing.
Just seems a bit of a double-up...

Thanks!

Who cares? Quicksilver is faster.
 
Lyle,

I haven't messed with its settings yet. It's the whatever version recently on the website. But usually it'll crash 1-2 times a week; just from general usage.
 
Quicksilver is my personal favorite, but sometimes I use Spotlight to find things deep in my hard drive.
 
So my understanding of quicksilver is - Its just like spotlight... and does the same thing. It Indexes, searches, and launches...

So Why is it "Better" or whatever? Regaurdless, when I get home from work, I am going to Download it and try it. But I just want your opinions and expirances.


Well...

I just loaded QS myself to see what all the fuss was about. I haven't had much of an opportunity to play around with it but have been able to form a basic opinion.

First, QS is not a replacement for Spotlight. Spotlight is much better with metadata and finding specifics within files, etc. If you are looking for a document with a specific word, Spotlight is the ticket. However, QS is a great productivity tool (if you get used to it). I like the ability to browse/move/copy folders and files. I also like the ability to send emails without launching Mail. Additionally, the fact that you can add iCal events and To Do's directly from QS is awesome. You can also apend text to documents without opening. That is a cool feature if you keep lists.

I am also exploring some scripts that will be used in cooperation with Journler (an app that I love BTW). IMO, the flexibility of QS to access and run Apple Scripts and other commands is the key to its success. It is extremely versatile.

My verdict is that QS is a great tool if you can learn to use it beyond the simple app launcher. Spotlight is still my "go to" for specific file searches or searches for information found on my HD. They both serve a specific purpose. Will I continue to use QS? Only time will tell but it seems promising.
 
same thing

i've messed around with both quicksilver and spotlight and for the most part (other than the QS plug-ins) they both do the same thing. it's all a matter of opinion as with most of the timeless OS X debates. i personally like spotlight better though.. seems much more simple and easy to use.
 
QS is so much faster and lets me do 100s of things without even thinking (the slogan is 'act without doing' which is true!

Just to mention a few things I do:
run terminal commands from within QS,
quit / relaunch / open apps
Copy / delete / move files (the comma trick is handy for this)
Triggers are another big plus. I have some that restart the finder, dock, lock my keychain, run automator scripts (rotate images, zip files, resize files etc.) and one handy one that opens the 3 different sections of this forum that I visit ;)
and so much more.

Once you realise that QS is more than just an app launcher you'll never be able to live without it.

Spotlight is too slow and doesn't let you do half as many things (although its calculator is better than QS's)
 
Quicksilver -- A magical little program

This magical little program just flat-out rocks. First off, in a nutshell, it's an adaptive search launcher, meaning that it gets better and more efficient in finding things based on your past searches.

That alone is an exceptional feature. Being able to summon any program with the dash of a 3-5 keyboard keys! Talk about evocative! But the best feature is the command line. Any file, folder, or item you feed into quicksilver (which is as simple as selecting the item and evoking quicksilver) can have actions taken to it such as email, copy, compress. You can, in another access a massively broad range of manipulations even using indirect object (or another object you specify). This 1)speeds up your GTD on a mac like just 20-fold and it gets you into the programmer's mind-frame of inputting varibles, manipulating them and then optionally outputting them to a seperate node. Even more advanced is the plug-ins feature which enable you to run scripts, send instant messages, even dial phone numbers, and look up dictionary words. Combine this with the knick-knacks of automator, the versatility of the dashboard and then throw in the fact that frequently used quicksilver commands can be given a meta-shortcut to stifle you from wasting time opening the long way, you can do almost all computer actions from copying files to manipulating data to sending info to variables (such as a dictionary) with quicksilver, automator, dashboard, and occcasionally the dock! How's that for productivity.

My favorite aspect of quicksilver is it's emphasis on wu wei Taoism. That's totally me. I read the entire Tao te Ching and fell in love with that type of logic and then finding a computer program that's as quick and efficient as Taoist thinking that doesn't create screen or memory clutter but is as efficient as the Finder, I wanted to learn everything I could about it.

Here's a few demos I found Interesting.
Adding in iCAl Events from Quicksilver
This works for google calendar with the right plug-in, too. For ical, you just need the ical plug-in.

First off, simply click on the "iCal module" in the QS preference pane. Once that's installed, the protocal for text entry is "event - date". So to have dinner with Sally on july 3rd, it would go something like this "dinner with sally - 07/03/08 6:00pm. Then hit tab and type "ic" to queue up iCal so that quicksilver now knows you're adding an event, and then tab again to throw in the indirect variable of which calendar to use. I have a calendar called "Galvanizing!!!" so I just need to type tab and then "g" to link my new event to that calendar. Hit return and it's loaded in iCal for your all without even ever glancing at the actual iCAl program!! So now whenever you glance at iCal it can be to see what to do (or to fine-tune your calendar) instead of adding appointments! The speed and graceful execution of this program is amazing!

For learning other (all) commands, this
http://mysite.verizon.net/hmelman/QSRef.pdf
cheatsheet is very helpful.
 
there are lots of good points posted in this thread, it's now clear the purpose of both application. i think i'll be using quicksilver. for those who managed to utilize the power of qs, did you turn off your spotlight too? are there any significant performance improve if it's turned off? thanks
 
With Tiger I used QS primarily as a launcher, but with Leopard, Spotlight does this job just as well. QS may look prettier, but with basically the same key strokes you get the same results, just as fast.

I think for most Leopard users, QS is a redundant.

Because of the hype, I tried using QS for custom action, but after a few months, I found that I never used it. Basically, if the custom actions sound like something you'll actually use, then go for it. However, if your looking for a launcher, don't bother with QS.

As for disabling Spotlight, I wouldn't recommend it. In addition to being a launcher, Spotlight provides a lot of local search functionality that may impact other apps (like searching your preference panel).

Don't get me wrong, QS is a fantastic application IF you can get your head around the plug-ins.
 
I'm surprised this thread has gone on this long without someone mentioning LaunchBar. LB is my app launcher/general speeder-upper of choice, for several reasons - the learning curve isn't as weird as QS, it doesn't bog my system down the way QS can, and perhaps most importantly, it's supported. A lot of people won't like the fact that LB is $20 while QS is free, but I believe that QS is no longer under development, and I've heard plenty of people report stability issues with QS - these issues aren't likely to get any better over time. LB is still under very active development and has been rock solid for me - don't think I've ever had it crash or hang on me. I know a lot of QS devotees can be a bit fanatical about it (hey, we're all Mac users ;)), but I think that anyone who's just getting started with QS ought to give LaunchBar a try too (there's a nice free trial that's not excessively annoying).
 
A lot of people won't like the fact that LB is $20 while QS is free, but I believe that QS is no longer under development, and I've heard plenty of people report stability issues with QS - these issues aren't likely to get any better over time. .

QS is currently undergoing a complete re-write by the creator, but he just hasn't got the time to fit it all in, and it's taking a while. It's almost finished though! You can see the progress over at google code
There are also 3 - 4 developers working on the current (B5X) branch to make it more stable on Leopard. It works well for me :D
 
Hey, does anybody know if there is a plug in to handle Office and iLife documents such as Word, Excel, Pages, Numbers and Keynote?

Thanks much! :)
 
I have actually never understood/asked why people prefer this over a dock. It seems so much easier to just mouse over the app you want and click. So many mac users fawn over quicksilver though, there must be some advantage.

Because I don't like keeping every damn app I have in the dock. Also, I seem to lack the fine motor skills that make using the mouse or trackpad more worthwhile. Lastly, I am quite good with the keyboard due to many years of piano and typing.

EDIT: Also, Quicksilver can do other stuff than just launching apps. If I want to email ~/test.txt to someone, I would type "test.txt" <tab> "email to" <tab> *name*.
 
Quicksilver allows you perform almost any function on the computer while Spotlight is good nothing. I'd delete Spotlight, but Time Machine needs it to back up.
 
What is the current version of Quicksilver? The first screen shot below shows what I see when I access Quicksilver, and the second screen shot shows what I expected it to look like. I am new to the steep-learning-curve world of Quicksilver, and I'm a little confused as to what I should be looking at????
 

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I'm surprised this thread has gone on this long without someone mentioning LaunchBar. LB is my app launcher/general speeder-upper of choice, for several reasons - the learning curve isn't as weird as QS, it doesn't bog my system down the way QS can, and perhaps most importantly, it's supported. A lot of people won't like the fact that LB is $20 while QS is free, but I believe that QS is no longer under development, and I've heard plenty of people report stability issues with QS - these issues aren't likely to get any better over time. LB is still under very active development and has been rock solid for me - don't think I've ever had it crash or hang on me. I know a lot of QS devotees can be a bit fanatical about it (hey, we're all Mac users ;)), but I think that anyone who's just getting started with QS ought to give LaunchBar a try too (there's a nice free trial that's not excessively annoying).

I agree. I was a long time QS user and switched to Launchbar. It is more stable and has a smaller footprint than QS.
 
I tried QS a few weeks ago and just didn't get it, but I thought I'd try it again and I don't think I could live without it anymore. It's just so handy for whatever you are trying to achieve.
 
I'm another one of those people who more or less only uses QS as an app launcher (and have for a couple years), as embarrassed as I should probably be to admit it. :rolleyes: Spotlight has always been consistently slower in my experience, and Leopard hasn't improved it enough to change that. I've actually added all my drives to the "do not index" list to kind of pseudo-disable it, since I pretty much know where everything is on my machine anyway.

I use Cmd-Space as my QS trigger, and one trick I learned a while back is that holding down one key for a second, instead of typing several, will launch the corresponding result right away, no Enter-press needed. Another reason it beats Spotlight as an app launcher (at least for me) is that Spotlight seems to need your letters to be consecutive in the results' names, whereas QS only requires that they occur somewhere in each result's name in the right order. So, for example, a Spotlight search for "AZ" will pull up a lot of DAZStudio stuff and Poser content from DAZ, but I can type the same two letters into QS and get the app I'm looking for — AppZapper. I use the same method to teach QS shortcuts for almost all the apps I use that are more mnemonic than systematic and range from just one to (seldom) three letters:

DC for Dictionary
Hold down B for BOINCManager
IC for Image Capture
ICH for iChat
FI for Firefox
MO for Motion
MD for Modo
Hold down O for Onyx
GE for Google Earth
AC for Activity Monitor
RD for Remote Desktop
IPL for iPhoto Library Manager
SH for SoundHack
PB for Photo Booth
MT for Mactracker
MP for Mac Pilot
LS for Little Snitch Configuration
PG for Pages
...and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on, usually depending more on what letters stand out in my mind as being "significant" (often because they start a syllable) and/or are conveniently placed on the keyboard than anything else.

If I wanted to, I could launch several apps at once, by hitting the comma in between each shortcut before hitting Enter to set them all off. I could even uninstall them all at once by hitting Tab, and typing in something like "tr" to select "Move to Trash" as my action instead of "Open". If I type in a period instead of letter shortcuts, the subject area turns into a text field, for which the default action would automatically be to plaster it on my screen in large type. :p (Instead, I could use it to start off a new email message, specifying the recipient in QS as well.)

Quicksilver's real power lies in its extensibility, and there are a lot of plugins available right through QS' preferences window that give you access to actions having to do with everything from dialing phone numbers over Bluetooth to the aforementioned Mail actions to changing your desktop picture to working with a Subversion repository. You begin to see how Quicksilver's "object/action/optional subject" thinking can be applied to just about anything.

Personally, I'm a little bit too lazy to use QS for anything other than app launching, simply because that only involves one step. I'm on a PowerBook, so it's no big stretch to move between the "mouse" and keyboard. YMMV, naturally. There's a learning curve, or perhaps a settling-in-together-getting-to-know-each-other curve, but I've gotta say, it feels weird now when I use a Mac that doesn't have QS running. It's one of those things like Exposé that silently sneaks its way into your computing habits until you realize that using a computer is jarring without it.
 
One cool thing I do with QS is dialing a number from Adress Book on my Sony-Ericsson phone, via Bluetoth. Good for impressing your friends :D
 
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