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More Copy Protection Nonsense

Yet again legitimate users are being hampered by copy protection BS, which is cracked the day it is released....

Pirates - pirate stuff
Others - buy it

HDCP etc is pointless.
 
Has anyone actually tried playing iTunes-purchased HD content (like a TV show) on a non-HDCP display after applying this update? I know we're assuming it's still blocked, but I'd like to hear a confirmation.
 
Yes, nice move Apple - clean up another case of sloppy implementation.

They screwed up, and they've fixed it. How can that be a "nice move, Apple"?

Yeh, it's not like we can than the US or UK governments of recent times... Nice move George W - there are no weapons of mass destructions, so we're pulling out!
 
Has anyone actually tried playing iTunes-purchased HD content (like a TV show) on a non-HDCP display after applying this update? I know we're assuming it's still blocked, but I'd like to hear a confirmation.

Not over a non-hdcp display, no.

I thought the whole point was that it was only blocked if the display supported hdcp but was otherwise fine?
 
How very green of Apple: now buying a new Macbook will no longer require throwing out your perfectly functioning screen if you only want to watch standard definition movies. (Pity about all those Firewire devices.)

Which enviro ratings take interoperability => longevity of machine and peripherals into account?

stevenli said:
maybe apple intended to do it.
Screwed up it at first, to let everybody REALIZE drm/HDCP doesn't make any sense to consumers...
Apple appears to support and apply the teeth behind DRM, the DMCA. Its latest application was a few days ago on the iPodHash project, which allows non-Apple software to be used with iPods.
 
That's still completely unacceptable. Hopefully the industry comes to its senses and eliminates DRM altogether. All DRM does is hurt the industry's interests. This HDCP Apple is implementing is simply so that Apple devices can output blu-ray and iTunes big-media-company DRMed media files to an "approved" external monitor. Blu-ray beat hd-dvd, but that doesn't mean blu-ray is succeeding. Most (but not all) analyses that I've read of how blu-ray is doing in the marketplace say that blu-ray is struggling significantly. DRM itself directly is not the only reason for this of course, but it is a major symptom of the whole unbalanced nature of the product that's causing the format's problems.

The incompatibility with current tech is putting a lot of people off.
 
Not over a non-hdcp display, no.

I thought the whole point was that it was only blocked if the display supported hdcp but was otherwise fine?

If a movie is blocked when you use a Mac with HDCP and a monitor without HDCP, then it should certainly be blocked if you use a Mac without HDCP.

The exceptions where a movie should be played without HDCP are:

1. If the movie doesn't request HDCP.
2. If the connector is not accessible to the user (MacBook or iMac built-in display).
3. If the device resolution is so low that the movie allows it to be played.
4. If the movie player can reduce the quality of the playback low enough so that the movie allows it to be played.

What happened here was not a problem with HDCP, but a bug where the software didn't recognise case (3).

On the other hand, if I was an evil pirate who wanted to sell illegally made Blu-Ray disks, here is what I would do: Buy the movie on DVD. Use Handbrake to rip it, scale it up to 1080p size, and compress it to 20 Megabit per second. Burn it on Blu-Ray DVDs. Of course the quality won't be any better than the DVD (actually just slightly worse), but 90 percent of the customers will be too stupid to realise anyway. And you don't expect actual quality from pirated disks, do you? No reason at all to try to copy actual Blu-Ray or HD disks. :cool:

At the moment blank Blu-Ray disks are too expensive to do this profitably.
 
ya, it would never had become a story if Apple had issued this from the start. I don't know if there's any HD TV content that is flagged with HDCP.

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I thought that HDCP was a function of the TV & playback device. In most cases if you are using HDMI you are also doing an HDCP handshake. Where Apple seems to have screwed up is when using an Analog output HDCP should not be checked for. The Macbooks should know what kind of display device/ cable is plugged into it and act accordingly (DDC or EDID). The only other addition to the feed would be the ICT flag. Supposedly that flag isn't supposed to be turned on till sometime after 2012. That flag dictates if you can see the full rez of the content. It is also supposed to affect analog displays (basically any display that doesn't support HDCP is supposed to have it rez cut by way of ICT).

Maybe some one will correct me.
 
if I was an evil pirate who wanted to sell illegally made Blu-Ray disks, here is what I would do: Buy the movie on DVD. Use Handbrake to rip it, scale it up to 1080p size, and compress it to 20 Megabit per second. Burn it on Blu-Ray DVDs. Of course the quality won't be any better than the DVD (actually just slightly worse), but 90 percent of the customers will be too stupid to realise anyway. And you don't expect actual quality from pirated disks, do you? No reason at all to try to copy actual Blu-Ray or HD disks. :cool:

At the moment blank Blu-Ray disks are too expensive to do this profitably.

You're behind the times man. Here's what pirates are already doing. They're ripping the blu ray, compressing to 720p, and they're burning that smaller file to dvd disk (not blu ray disk), then printing the dlu ray logo all over their fake disk and fake box. The product physically looks the same, and plays in all blu ray players, and does give a higher resolution image (but not a better quality image), but they're actually dirt cheap dvd disks sold at higher price than pirated dvds because they're being sold as pirated bluray, not pirated dvd. So the pirate make even MORE profit.
 
DRM is awful. All it does is make pirating more attractive. If you pay for a DRMed media file, maybe it'll play when and where you want, but sometimes it wont. If you pirate a media file, it will definitely play where and when you want. So all DRM does is make the pirated version superior to the version you can legally buy. This leads to even more people choosing to pirate their media.

DRM, it's bad for the consumer, it's bad for the content producers, it's bad for the distribution companies, it's bad for everyone. So why does the entertainment industry insist on hurting themselves and us with worth-than-useless DRM?

Agreed, so what if my television is unsupported and I have a HD video from iTunes? This will only prevent me from purchasing video content on iTunes.
 
Solution: Piracy.

Solution to what? Make the studios try even more DRM?

The solution to drop DRM is to not purchase and not pirate it either.

If you pirate it, you send the message that you're just a thief. If you go without it, you send the message that their draconian DRM made you realize that you can do without their product. Nothing would send a stronger message that telling them their DRM made you realize their product is not a necessity and you don't really need it.
 
Apple being Apple...

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This quick fix makes me feel a lot better about this--it was just a bug that got fixed, not some nefarious DRM plot.
 
I sometimes wonder if it is the 'forgive Apple for everything' attitude that is making them sloppy.

I mean, I cannot believe that someone didn't think to test this. If they did, then there is something seriously wrong.
If they didn't, then Apple reckoned it would be okay to release it and fix it later, which is just as worrying.

absolutely spot on
best post yet imo
 
What's "HD"?

Seems everyone has a different idea. Four years ago I bought a used HDTV. Rear projection; no tuner; cheap. It also has no HDMI, and therefore no HDCP. Bummer right? So I buy an upconvert DVD player and hook it up thru the component video outputs and play a movie only to find out that it won't upconvert without the HDMI with HDCP. Apparently at that point, upconverted DVD was "HD". The solution was to find a hacked DVD player, which I did. Of course now almost everyone can rip/burn their own copies of DVD's, so the scale slides.

Enter Apple TV.

Now there is Apple TV, which to my delight has component video outputs. The odd thing is that they are now putting out "HD" content. What does that mean???? I was in there during the early days of digital video with my All-In-Wonder card, recording things at whatever compression rate I thought appropriate. HD on Apple TV is not Blu-ray. Not even close. In fact, I've never watched a Blu-ray disk and almost certainly never will with my current TV. Doubtful I'll be able to find a hacked Blu-ray player. Still, Apple TV is odd in that it's a potential analog hole.

What's it all mean?

Apple is playing this dance with the media providers. They don't like Apple's stance on DRM, but Apple doesn't step too far over the line. Yes, I have an analog hole and could theoretically copy Apple TV stuff, but it's at a quality level that is considered "safe". It's certainly less than Blu-ray quality, and generally considered not as good as having a DVD (hacked and all).

Where does this leave us? I don't think the current Apple TV really has what it takes for higher resolution content. January is going to be a big month, and I think we're going to see the "hobby" turn into a passion with a new Mini/Apple TV that has only HDMI and a higher bitrate. It's only a matter of time.
 
I hope this teaches a lesson to the armchair "pundits" and PC lovers of this forum...Apple never ceases to amaze us in terms of EXEMPLARY customer service and prompt response to customer feedback. This is just ONE among many other cases where Apple, in DIRECT reaction to complaints and suggestions, implemented new features in the OS or corrected situations that were not ideal to its market base...like what happened for the Dock, the lax DRM requirements for music, movie and song pricing and many more issues.

As if we hadn't already the BEST machines, the BEST average reliability in the market, the BEST designs and the BEST OS...thank you, Apple!
 
What's "HD"?

Seems everyone has a different idea. Four years ago I bought a used HDTV. Rear projection; no tuner; cheap. It also has no HDMI, and therefore no HDCP. Bummer right? So I buy an upconvert DVD player and hook it up thru the component video outputs and play a movie only to find out that it won't upconvert without the HDMI with HDCP. Apparently at that point, upconverted DVD was "HD". The solution was to find a hacked DVD player, which I did. Of course now almost everyone can rip/burn their own copies of DVD's, so the scale slides.

Enter Apple TV.

Now there is Apple TV, which to my delight has component video outputs. The odd thing is that they are now putting out "HD" content. What does that mean???? I was in there during the early days of digital video with my All-In-Wonder card, recording things at whatever compression rate I thought appropriate. HD on Apple TV is not Blu-ray. Not even close. In fact, I've never watched a Blu-ray disk and almost certainly never will with my current TV. Doubtful I'll be able to find a hacked Blu-ray player. Still, Apple TV is odd in that it's a potential analog hole.

What's it all mean?

Apple is playing this dance with the media providers. They don't like Apple's stance on DRM, but Apple doesn't step too far over the line. Yes, I have an analog hole and could theoretically copy Apple TV stuff, but it's at a quality level that is considered "safe". It's certainly less than Blu-ray quality, and generally considered not as good as having a DVD (hacked and all).

Where does this leave us? I don't think the current Apple TV really has what it takes for higher resolution content. January is going to be a big month, and I think we're going to see the "hobby" turn into a passion with a new Mini/Apple TV that has only HDMI and a higher bitrate. It's only a matter of time.
What model TV do you have. If it has DVI, and it was at least made in 2004, it may actually support HDCP over DVI. Yes it isn't the 1.3 spec and yes it wont have audio, but it is better than nothing.
 
I hope this teaches a lesson to the armchair "pundits" and PC lovers of this forum...Apple never ceases to amaze us in terms of EXEMPLARY customer service and prompt response to customer feedback. This is just ONE among many other cases where Apple, in DIRECT reaction to complaints and suggestions, implemented new features in the OS or corrected situations that were not ideal to its market base...like what happened for the Dock, the lax DRM requirements for music, movie and song pricing and many more issues.

As if we hadn't already the BEST machines, the BEST average reliability in the market, the BEST designs and the BEST OS...thank you, Apple!

And let's not forget to thank Apple for removing Firewire from the MacBook, and Glossy Displays, and proprietary "Mini DisplayPort", and the MacBookAir Superdrive lockout, and of course the everloving "Beach Ball"!

Grief, such a "Fanboy!:p
 
And let's not forget to thank Apple for removing Firewire from the MacBook, and Glossy Displays, and proprietary "Mini DisplayPort", and the MacBookAir Superdrive lockout, and of course the everloving "Beach Ball"!

Grief, such a "Fanboy!:p

FW = Anticipating withdrawal of a dying technology, not to mention that the new USB ports are just as fast; and no ordinary PC user knows about it after all;

Glossy = EVERY PC fan on this rumor always loved to brag about the "XBrite" screens and all, when every Apple display was matte...and to be honest, I have ZERO complaint with the 24" glossy screen in the market...my iMac. Apple has taken a bold decision, and nobody seems to care apart from the most rabid conservative designers;

DisplayPort = is industry-standard, and the mini aspect is simply a design feature;

SuperDrive lockout = no comments, because it doesn't make sense;

Beach ball = it's almost nonexistent nowadays.
 
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