Quicktime X vs. Quicktime 7

[Catfish_Man]

I voted QTX, but for unusual reasons. The player is almost irrelevant to me, but the improved playback in other quicktime-using applications (for example the HTML5 <video> tag) is awesome.

 

[themoonisdown09]

I voted for QuickTime X because of the performance, looks, and the addition of screen recording. I do hope that some of the missing features will be added in 10.6.x updates, but I'm probably too optimistic and will have to wait for 10.7.

 

[WizardHunt]

I really don't know what to think about QT X. I really like QT 7 Pro. That is why I bought it. I used Flip4Mac with QT7 and it works great. Now I downloaded the Flip4Mac Beta for SL and when I use either the QT X or QT 7 Pro on a .WMV file it will play but if I want to move to the middle of the movie to check something it does not allow me to scroll to the middle or end of the movie. I have to wait to get to any point in the movie. To me that is useless.

Has this happened to any of you and did you find a fix?

For now I voted for QT 7 Pro as it is better in my eyes.

 

[mbohlig@cox.net]

Not what I meant. There was a HUD in Quicktime 7 that gave you controls for brightness, playback speed (forward and reverse), etc. These controls no longer seem to be there. These controls were called Show Movie Properties in the Window tab.

I have'nt been able to use Q7 since installing SL, I need those
controls that include speed and brightness controls. (I thought
that's what we paid for "Pro") Many of the movies I am viewing
with QT are too dark in iTunes. Is there a way to use Q7 or another application for movie playback?

 

[str1f3]

I really don't know what to think about QT X. I really like QT 7 Pro. That is why I bought it. I used Flip4Mac with QT7 and it works great. Now I downloaded the Flip4Mac Beta for SL and when I use either the QT X or QT 7 Pro on a .WMV file it will play but if I want to move to the middle of the movie to check something it does not allow me to scroll to the middle or end of the movie. I have to wait to get to any point in the movie. To me that is useless.

Has this happened to any of you and did you find a fix?

For now I voted for QT 7 Pro as it is better in my eyes.

I agree about Flip4Mac. It seems to be buffering instead of taking the time beforehand to load the complete file. I will say QTX seems to be a lot faster but it's irritating to see a great app become gimped. It literally is only a media player now with limited file type support unless you use Perian and even Perian is sort of broken in not being able to play mkv's.

 

[MaskingTape]

I agree about Flip4Mac. It seems to be buffering instead of taking the time beforehand to load the complete file. I will say QTX seems to be a lot faster but it's irritating to see a great app become gimped. It literally is only a media player now with limited file type support unless you use Perian and even Perian is sort of broken in not being able to play mkv's.

In the Flip4Mac beta that works with Snow Leopard, you have to tell it to load before hand. You have to add Quicktime (X or 7) to its list under player then advanced.

 

[testcard]

Great tip - thanks.

 

[darkpaw]

In the Flip4Mac beta that works with Snow Leopard, you have to tell it to load before hand. You have to add Quicktime (X or 7) to its list under player then advanced.

Finally! An answer! Thank you!!!

 

[WizardHunt]

In the Flip4Mac beta that works with Snow Leopard, you have to tell it to load before hand. You have to add Quicktime (X or 7) to its list under player then advanced.

Thanks so much for that tip. It works wonderful now.

 

[Peruvian]

In the Flip4Mac beta that works with Snow Leopard, you have to tell it to load before hand. You have to add Quicktime (X or 7) to its list under player then advanced.

wow, this is all i needed to know, now i can say im happy with Snow leopard...
Thanks....

 

[str1f3]

I have'nt been able to use Q7 since installing SL, I need those
controls that include speed and brightness controls. (I thought
that's what we paid for "Pro") Many of the movies I am viewing
with QT are too dark in iTunes. Is there a way to use Q7 or another application for movie playback?

If you had QuickTime Already installed and did an upgrade it should be in the Utilities folder in Applications. If it's not there just download QT7 and enter your serials again.

Edit:

In the Flip4Mac beta that works with Snow Leopard, you have to tell it to load before hand. You have to add Quicktime (X or 7) to its list under player then advanced.

Thanks over here too.

 

[SomeSwede]

In the Flip4Mac beta that works with Snow Leopard, you have to tell it to load before hand. You have to add Quicktime (X or 7) to its list under player then advanced.

Thanks mate!

 

[canettieri]

Thank you!!!

Thank you!!!

 

[zfhanbenjamin]

What also sucks is flip4mac to watch wmvs does not work with x... But it works in preview which is weird.

you need to right click on the file and select open with quicktime player, not flip4mac

 

[DavieBoy]

Thanks to the OP.

Thanks for letting me know 7 is in my utilities folder. Got my new iMac today and was trying to reinstall it and it wouldn't let me. ha

Edit: Swing and a miss. On my new iMac it is not in the Utilities folder. How do I install it and get it back.

 

[Raptor007]

- Slower than QT 7. Hello?

This doesn't surprise me at all, since QTX was rewritten from scratch entirely in Objective-C. The message passing of Objective-C is significantly slower than the vtables used in C++.

It is possible we'll see some performance benefit from 64-bit codecs, but I'm not holding my breath that it will counteract the additional overhead of Cocoa message passing. All Intel Mac CPUs are capable of quickly swapping between 32-bit and 64-bit mode to natively execute both types of code, so the only benefits we'll really see from 64-bit codecs are faster execution of double and long long int operations, and the ability to address beyond 4GB of memory. I'm not certain whether any of these benefits are actually relevant in codec processing.

By the way, your poll skews the results to make QuickTime X look better by separating those who prefer QuickTime 7 into 3 groups. At the time of this writing, you have 35 votes for X and 37 total votes for 7, but the layout makes it look like X is the more popular.

 

[jaw04005]

This doesn't surprise me at all, since QTX was rewritten from scratch entirely in Objective-C. The message passing of Objective-C is significantly slower than the vtables used in C++.

QuickTime X also uses QTKit exclusively, which Apple has supposedly been working on since 10.4 Tiger. Clearly, they want the forthcoming Cocoa versions of iTunes, Final Cut Pro and other applications to eventually use QTKit too so they won’t be dependent upon QuickTime 7.

Many people are complaining about the lack of advanced features in the actual QuickTime X app. Is it the app or the lack of maturity of QTKit framework?

Either way it’s going to be a hell of a transition. They threw out something like 18 years of development.

 

[MisterBungee]

Quicktime X won't let me install Quicktime 7!

Hint: If you trash Quicktime X, rename Quicktime 7 to 'QuickTime Player' and put it in the Applications folder, to quickly convert every Quicktime file back to being opened with Quicktime 7.

Hey Jesse

Thanks for the advice. I have a MacBook Pro (OS x 10.6.2) and it came preinstalled with Quicktime X. YUCK! I was shocked to discover that all the features I paid for with QT 7 Pro are just gone!

I depend on these features for my work, and really don't want to have to use my desktop to run QT 7.

So I dragged Quicktime X to the trash, emptied the trash, rebooted my computer, and even now when I try to install Quicktime 7, I keep getting the same error message:

"QuickTime can't be installed on this disk. This version of QuickTime 7 can't be installed on this disk because QuickTime X is already present. Please use Software Update to install the appropriate version of QuickTime for your Mac."

Any idea how I can work around this?


Thanks much!

-Ben

 

[Nermal]

Where did you get 7 from? There should be a compatible version on one of your restore DVDs.

 

[MisterBungee]

Thank you - Problem solved!

Thanks for the fast reply, Nermal!

I bought QT 7 long ago on my Mac Mini.

I recently got a MacBook Pro and it came with QT X.


I managed to fix the problem. I just backtracked and read some people's responses who said that if I just inserted my OS X Install DVD, and went to the "selective installation" folder (or something like that - forgot what it was called) I could just choose to install a verison of QuickTime 7 that is compatible with this computer.

It worked.

For what it's worth, I had already deleted QuickTime X from my computer before attempting this.


QT 7 is now installed, registered, and runnign in QT 7 Pro mode. Huzzah!!!

 

[TYancy]

Puzzled by Apple's move

In its efforts to wow consumers Apple tends to obliterate pro features rather than keeping them. There are so many examples of this and I will never understand why they do this.

The floating controls in QTX are very annoying. There is no reason for this to be forced on the user. There is also a lack of support for many features. Why has this been dropped?

I use QT every day. Typically I will output an uncompressed video and then use QT to export it in a variety of sizes. Fast, easy, capable and much less hassle for common formats than Compressor or Encoder.

Why not make pro features available in QTX? Give me pro features, legacy file support, and the option to get the transport controls out of the way of the video and I would be happy to use it.

 

[alxvp6]

In the Flip4Mac beta that works with Snow Leopard, you have to tell it to load before hand. You have to add Quicktime (X or 7) to its list under player then advanced.

Great tip, thank you!