Quit whining!

puma1552

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I swear, half the forum has zero common sense. It doesn't take an engineer to realize that products are going to get scratched, scuffed, etc. through normal use.

Believe it or not, different materials have different physical properties. Believe it or not, any coating can be scratched or scuffed. Believe it or not, aluminum is an extremely soft metal that is malleable and can dent. Believe it or not, rubbing keys and coins against a finished surface can cause a scratch or scuff. Believe it or not, dropping a glass object can cause it to break.

Get a grip, people. The phone is a tool to be used, and it's not invincible just because Apple **** it out. ANY phone from ANY manufacturer of ANY material can be damaged/scuffed/scratched quite easily, especially anything that has a finish on it.

The sheer lack of common sense I see from people, people who clearly know absolutely nothing about the basic properties of materials which should really be common sense is astounding; only a complete idiot would think that sliding a phone on a hard surface or putting it in a pocket with other hard metal objects wouldn't damage the finish, or that dropping a glass object wouldn't break it. Get real. Put a case on it and stop whining, or take a basic course in common sense.
 

Leonard1818

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I don't know if the posts about scuffs are worse or the posts complaining about the posts about scuffs.

In other words... you're adding to the problem/annoyance.
 

macingman

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A device shouldn't be so susceptible to damage that it scuffs on the first day however.
 

Aidy06

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I swear, half the forum has zero common sense. It doesn't take an engineer to realize that products are going to get scratched, scuffed, etc. through normal use.

Believe it or not, different materials have different physical properties. Believe it or not, any coating can be scratched or scuffed. Believe it or not, aluminum is an extremely soft metal that is malleable and can dent. Believe it or not, rubbing keys and coins against a finished surface can cause a scratch or scuff. Believe it or not, dropping a glass object can cause it to break.

Get a grip, people. The phone is a tool to be used, and it's not invincible just because Apple **** it out. ANY phone from ANY manufacturer of ANY material can be damaged/scuffed/scratched quite easily, especially anything that has a finish on it.

The sheer lack of common sense I see from people, people who clearly know absolutely nothing about the basic properties of materials which should really be common sense is astounding; only a complete idiot would think that sliding a phone on a hard surface or putting it in a pocket with other hard metal objects wouldn't damage the finish, or that dropping a glass object wouldn't break it. Get real. Put a case on it and stop whining, or take a basic course in common sense.
Nobody is debating that, people are annoyed and rightly so that when they've unboxed the device that its already scratched/dented
 

wellok

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I'm confused by the posts like this. The overwhelming majority of people are complaining about scrapes and scuffs out of the BOX, not with normal wear and tear. A phone shouldn't have normal wear and tear upon opening the box.
 

jtp098

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But BUT BUT BUT. I put my phone down on the table and and it got a booo booo :(
LOL

I agree its a phone it is supposed to be used. If you use it carefully and it gets a scratch that's normal wear and tear..

I do agree with it should not have this out of the box. That is just annoying.
 

puma1552

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A device shouldn't be so susceptible to damage that it scuffs on the first day however.
This is exactly what I'm talking about; how does this makes sense? All of a sudden time is a factor as to whether or not doing any of the things listed will damage the phone? "Well as long as I beat it up in the first 24 hours, it shouldn't scratch, but from hour 25 on, its fair game to get damaged!" If you scuff it you scuff it, whether it's on the first day or two years down the road.

Nobody is debating that, people are annoyed and rightly so that when they've unboxed the device that its already scratched/dented
That I have no problem with, I wouldn't want something noticeably damaged out of the box either. But, I see people complaining about the most microscopic blemishes that have to be pointed out even in high res photos; again, it's mass produced so the occasional microscopic blemish is part of the deal, just the way it is.
 

itsmemuffins

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I swear, half the forum has zero common sense. It doesn't take an engineer to realize that products are going to get scratched, scuffed, etc. through normal use.

Believe it or not, different materials have different physical properties. Believe it or not, any coating can be scratched or scuffed. Believe it or not, aluminum is an extremely soft metal that is malleable and can dent. Believe it or not, rubbing keys and coins against a finished surface can cause a scratch or scuff. Believe it or not, dropping a glass object can cause it to break.

Get a grip, people. The phone is a tool to be used, and it's not invincible just because Apple **** it out. ANY phone from ANY manufacturer of ANY material can be damaged/scuffed/scratched quite easily, especially anything that has a finish on it.

The sheer lack of common sense I see from people, people who clearly know absolutely nothing about the basic properties of materials which should really be common sense is astounding; only a complete idiot would think that sliding a phone on a hard surface or putting it in a pocket with other hard metal objects wouldn't damage the finish, or that dropping a glass object wouldn't break it. Get real. Put a case on it and stop whining, or take a basic course in common sense.
I think you are missing the point entirely.

A product, especially one as expensive as the iPhone 5 should not be damaged out of the box.

It shouldn't have a glitchy display.

You shouldn't be able to press the glass and flex the display like you can on htc phones.

You shouldn't have light leakage because the LCD and body aren't bonded together properly.

You shouldn't have a battery rattling loose inside the phone.
 

Aidy06

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That I have no problem with, I wouldn't want something noticeably damaged out of the box either. But, I see people complaining about the most microscopic blemishes that have to be pointed out even in high res photos; again, it's mass produced so the occasional microscopic blemish is part of the deal, just the way it is.
Agreed, I have two small blemishes on the antenna band. Doesn't bother me as I have to really look at it to see them, they aren't very noticeable but they're there
 

macingman

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This is exactly what I'm talking about; how does this makes sense? All of a sudden time is a factor as to whether or not doing any of the things listed will damage the phone? "Well as long as I beat it up in the first 24 hours, it shouldn't scratch, but from hour 25 on, its fair game to get damaged!" If you scuff it you scuff it, whether it's on the first day or two years down the road.
That isn't what I'm trying to say. I will be buying the iPhone 5 outright for around $1000 soon. I expect that the phone wouldn't be so easily damageable that I would take it out of my pocket after the first use and it be scratched. I'm not saying this would happen, I'm just saying these expensive devices should have at least some durability and not be as scratch prone as many posts here are leading me to believe.
 

Rocko1

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I swear, half the forum has zero common sense. It doesn't take an engineer to realize that products are going to get scratched, scuffed, etc. through normal use.

Believe it or not, different materials have different physical properties. Believe it or not, any coating can be scratched or scuffed. Believe it or not, aluminum is an extremely soft metal that is malleable and can dent. Believe it or not, rubbing keys and coins against a finished surface can cause a scratch or scuff. Believe it or not, dropping a glass object can cause it to break.

Get a grip, people. The phone is a tool to be used, and it's not invincible just because Apple **** it out. ANY phone from ANY manufacturer of ANY material can be damaged/scuffed/scratched quite easily, especially anything that has a finish on it.

The sheer lack of common sense I see from people, people who clearly know absolutely nothing about the basic properties of materials which should really be common sense is astounding; only a complete idiot would think that sliding a phone on a hard surface or putting it in a pocket with other hard metal objects wouldn't damage the finish, or that dropping a glass object wouldn't break it. Get real. Put a case on it and stop whining, or take a basic course in common sense.
Quit complaining about complainers. It just makes you look, well, stupid.

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I think you are missing the point entirely.

A product, especially one as expensive as the iPhone 5 should not be damaged out of the box.
This is the point and many morons fail to see this because they are simple minded. It's made evident by them saying 'mine is perfect so quit whining'. Lack of empathy is usually associated with a low I.Q..
 

appswipe

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Quit whining!
Whining about a problem with a product you pay for makes a lot more sense than whining about people you dont know.

These threads are well labeled and easily avoidable so don't blame anyone else but yourself for your inability to click on topics that upset you. So take your own advice and "quit whining".
 

darngooddesign

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I swear, half the forum has zero common sense. It doesn't take an engineer to realize that products are going to get scratched, scuffed, etc. through normal use.

Believe it or not, different materials have different physical properties. Believe it or not, any coating can be scratched or scuffed. Believe it or not, aluminum is an extremely soft metal that is malleable and can dent. Believe it or not, rubbing keys and coins against a finished surface can cause a scratch or scuff. Believe it or not, dropping a glass object can cause it to break.

Get a grip, people. The phone is a tool to be used, and it's not invincible just because Apple **** it out. ANY phone from ANY manufacturer of ANY material can be damaged/scuffed/scratched quite easily, especially anything that has a finish on it.

The sheer lack of common sense I see from people, people who clearly know absolutely nothing about the basic properties of materials which should really be common sense is astounding; only a complete idiot would think that sliding a phone on a hard surface or putting it in a pocket with other hard metal objects wouldn't damage the finish, or that dropping a glass object wouldn't break it. Get real. Put a case on it and stop whining, or take a basic course in common sense.
I highlighted the important part of your post.
 

DiamondMac

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I swear, half the forum has zero common sense. It doesn't take an engineer to realize that products are going to get scratched, scuffed, etc. through normal use.

Believe it or not, different materials have different physical properties. Believe it or not, any coating can be scratched or scuffed. Believe it or not, aluminum is an extremely soft metal that is malleable and can dent. Believe it or not, rubbing keys and coins against a finished surface can cause a scratch or scuff. Believe it or not, dropping a glass object can cause it to break.

Get a grip, people. The phone is a tool to be used, and it's not invincible just because Apple **** it out. ANY phone from ANY manufacturer of ANY material can be damaged/scuffed/scratched quite easily, especially anything that has a finish on it.

The sheer lack of common sense I see from people, people who clearly know absolutely nothing about the basic properties of materials which should really be common sense is astounding; only a complete idiot would think that sliding a phone on a hard surface or putting it in a pocket with other hard metal objects wouldn't damage the finish, or that dropping a glass object wouldn't break it. Get real. Put a case on it and stop whining, or take a basic course in common sense.
The fact that you have been here since 2008 and thought your post would change anything or somehow add to the conversation is....well, quite scary.

Hope you pay more attention to the forum the next 4 years.

Then again, I am sure we will have a few more "STOP COMPLAINING" threads by others in the next few hours
 

vaultwit

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Believe it or not, complaining about other people complaining does not solve anything and actually makes your complaining even more annoying. Believe it or not. Believe it. Or not.

Your sheer lack of common sense in creating a thread like this is astounding. Properties of metals has nothing to do with anything.
 

xAnthony

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I swear, half the forum has zero common sense. It doesn't take an engineer to realize that products are going to get scratched, scuffed, etc. through normal use.

Believe it or not, different materials have different physical properties. Believe it or not, any coating can be scratched or scuffed. Believe it or not, aluminum is an extremely soft metal that is malleable and can dent. Believe it or not, rubbing keys and coins against a finished surface can cause a scratch or scuff. Believe it or not, dropping a glass object can cause it to break.

Get a grip, people. The phone is a tool to be used, and it's not invincible just because Apple **** it out. ANY phone from ANY manufacturer of ANY material can be damaged/scuffed/scratched quite easily, especially anything that has a finish on it.

The sheer lack of common sense I see from people, people who clearly know absolutely nothing about the basic properties of materials which should really be common sense is astounding; only a complete idiot would think that sliding a phone on a hard surface or putting it in a pocket with other hard metal objects wouldn't damage the finish, or that dropping a glass object wouldn't break it. Get real. Put a case on it and stop whining, or take a basic course in common sense.
To me this sounds like whining... Maybe you should stop as well.

It seems you lack common sense. I don't mind if my iPhone gets scratched up to hell, as I know it will... But I don't need my phone coming pre-scratched for me. Apple advertises how their devices are built with the most fine craftsmanship... That would be considered false advertising if your device is being shipped scratched or dented.

You wouldn't buy a car, a watch, a computer, or anything that's costing you $700+ with scratches or dents. Regardless if it's going to get scratched in the future... Would you buy a desk with a chipped corner? Would you buy a glass figure for your mother that is cracked or scratched? Would you buy a USB cord from Apple that is already ripped? Would you purchase an expensive wallet that comes with a rip in the leather? Who gives a **** if it's going to be scratched in the future... When you're buying it brand new, you expect to get it brand new. Is that so hard for people to understand?
 

ThisIsNotMe

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A phone is a tool.
People are acting like it is something more than that.
*That* is the problem.
(And you can thank Steve Jobs)
 

impulse462

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Why don't you just not read the threads where people are whining? Making this thread was the stupidest thing you could have done.

And for people who drop at least 200+ on a new phone, I'm sure they should at least expect that it ships flawless out of the box.
 

kevinbomb123

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make the macbooks out of plastic


and the phones out of glass


its really just as simple as that,otherwise there going to scuff and rust.
 

puma1552

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To me this sounds like whining... Maybe you should stop as well.

It seems you lack common sense. I don't mind if my iPhone gets scratched up to hell, as I know it will... But I don't need my phone coming pre-scratched for me. Apple advertises how their devices are built with the most fine craftsmanship... That would be considered false advertising if your device is being shipped scratched or dented.

You wouldn't buy a car, a watch, a computer, or anything that's costing you $700+ with scratches or dents. Regardless if it's going to get scratched in the future... Would you buy a desk with a chipped corner? Would you buy a glass figure for your mother that is cracked or scratched? Would you buy a USB cord from Apple that is already ripped? Would you purchase an expensive wallet that comes with a rip in the leather? Who gives a **** if it's going to be scratched in the future... When you're buying it brand new, you expect to get it brand new. Is that so hard for people to understand?
As I've said already here, I'm not talking about people with phones obviously damaged out of the box. I'm sure now given the average American's 10 second attention span that 20 more people will ignore that I just said that for a second time and come in here posting about how nobody should expect a damaged product out of the box, which has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm referring to in the OP. This is the second time I've covered that I'm in agreement with the idea that products should not arrive obviously damaged, so anyone that posts that below this is just incompetent and illiterate.

I'm talking about the people who need a microscope to see a tiny manufacturing blemish, or the people who abuse the phone and then complain that it scratches and scuffs; like the guy I read about earlier today who dropped his phone on a stone, damaged it, then went and brought it back to Apple demanding they replace it AND color swap it over his own stupidity and carelessness. I'm talking about the people who think that anything produced by Apple is made of gold and apparently should transcend physics and basic properties of materials and manufacturing.