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R.I.P. 15" cMBP -- Are you happy or not about it's demise?

I'm happy because apple sent me the best possible 15" cmpb as a replacement, but quite annoyed that I would need to buy a retina if I ever get another apple laptop.

There was no price drop in Australia. (I think the base model price may have actually increased by $100AUD). Secondly to "order" a retina with the same specs as my current $2000AUD machine, it would cost me close to $3400AUD (~$3300USD).

I see no reason to pay over 1.6x the price for pixels I won't use and a 6.1mm size difference. Plus worse battery life, no anti-glare option, no firewire, no ethernet etc. It's just a terrible deal.
 
witchkitten said:
I'm bummed because I can't stand glossy screens. While the retina display is less glossy than the old glossy screens, it's still very glossy. I can see my reflection in the retina display and it drives me nuts. Not to mention that my couch, where I primarily use my computer, is right in front of a large window, which means I can't see anything on a glossy screen. My antiglare screen is at least usable in front of that window, unlike my husband's glossy screen. I really hope that Apple brings back the antiglare option like they did the last time they discontinued it.

The only other complaint I have is the cost of hard drive space. The SSDs are super expensive compared to the old hard disks. For someone like me who needs a lot of space, it's now going to cost $700 more for 1 TB instead of $100 more. But at least there's the option, unlike with the display.
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You could buy an antiglare screen protector, yes not as good but at least it kinda solves the problem... And the money you save not having to upgrade the screen can go towards a SSD
 
As a classic owner...

Not overly concerned.

retina spec is good enough, only thing i'd need to upgrade is storage which you can remove and replace on retinas anyway.

I have gigabit ethernet. Used it a couple of times.
I have an card slot i've never used
I have an optical drive i've used a handful of times


However I also have
Heavier weight
Bulkier enclosure
No retina screen
worse battery life
Noisier fans


20 years of dealing with computers has taught me that by the time you need/want to upgrade a machine, there's so much that is behind the curve, you may as well just replace and pass your machine on to someone (or something) with lesser requirements.

Unless you bought totally the wrong spec in the first place, but that's not an expansion problem. That's just buying the wrong product.

Sure, some people buy lower spec and expand themselves without paying the apple tax. I did myself, but that's a whole different problem. That's not a device problem, that's a pricing issue.
 
RIP MBP imo... SSD's are getting more reasonable on the rMBP, but not on the MBP. I could only really see the MBP being bought by those who want to upgrade their own components, but then I think that those people would want the 15".
 
The one thing I just now realized is missing from retina laptops is the Kensington lock.

I really do wonder what their logic was when they decided to drop it. It's a tiny hole on the side, and unlike with Ethernet port or the old MagSafe power slot, there doesn't seem to be a size issue either, as the slot is smaller than the side of the case. Sure, the new laptops are thinner and lighter, but they are still a bit on the heavy and bulky side to carry with you to the bathroom in a library or other public place. And don't even get me started on the ugly as hell third party "locking" adapters. Anyone care to guess why they got rid of that?
 
throAU said:
As a classic owner...

Not overly concerned.

retina spec is good enough, only thing i'd need to upgrade is storage which you can remove and replace on retinas anyway.

I have gigabit ethernet. Used it a couple of times.
I have an card slot i've never used
I have an optical drive i've used a handful of times


However I also have
Heavier weight
Bulkier enclosure
No retina screen
worse battery life
Noisier fans


20 years of dealing with computers has taught me that by the time you need/want to upgrade a machine, there's so much that is behind the curve, you may as well just replace and pass your machine on to someone (or something) with lesser requirements.

Unless you bought totally the wrong spec in the first place, but that's not an expansion problem. That's just buying the wrong product.

Sure, some people buy lower spec and expand themselves without paying the apple tax. I did myself, but that's a whole different problem. That's not a device problem, that's a pricing issue.
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I don't know why it is that when one person has needs, he/she thinks that all other people's needs are unimportant. I guess it's a hallmark trait of Apple users:

Arrogance.
 
My reason for being happy Apple got rid of the 15" cMBP is completely selfish. This means that next year when I'm eligible for a new laptop at work, they will have little choice but to buy me the lighter and thinner rMBP. I work from home, and I always have my work cMBP hooked up to my 27" Display, but for those rare occasions that I do actually travel into the office I will be very happy to be carrying a rMBP and not the cMBP.
 
I only clicked on this thread because of the grammar error in the title.

YOU
ARE
KILLING
ME
 
kunai said:
I don't know why it is that when one person has needs, he/she thinks that all other people's needs are unimportant. I guess it's a hallmark trait of Apple users:

Arrogance.
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He clearly said his experience, not claiming it was everyone else's views or how they should live their lives. Maybe read the post next time? Or ignorance is the trait of people with kunai? Lol.
 
Treeman574 said:
I'm happy because apple sent me the best possible 15" cmpb as a replacement, but quite annoyed that I would need to buy a retina if I ever get another apple laptop.

There was no price drop in Australia. (I think the base model price may have actually increased by $100AUD). Secondly to "order" a retina with the same specs as my current $2000AUD machine, it would cost me close to $3400AUD (~$3300USD).

I see no reason to pay over 1.6x the price for pixels I won't use and a 6.1mm size difference. Plus worse battery life, no anti-glare option, no firewire, no ethernet etc. It's just a terrible deal.
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whatw as wrong with ur old one
 
kunai said:
I don't know why it is that when one person has needs, he/she thinks that all other people's needs are unimportant. I guess it's a hallmark trait of Apple users:

Arrogance.
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I'm not sure why it is that when discussing personal preferences in a thread asking if YOU are happy or not, some people decide that personal opinion is a reflection of ALL USERS needs.

I guess it's just a hallmark trait of people who don't understand the concept of discussion forums, and people who just like to de-rail discussion by going entirely off-topic.


i.e., For ME, I am not going to miss the lack of the classic's extra stuff. Others may. however this is a thread asking whether YOU are happy, not whether you think apple have made the best choice for every user on the planet.
 
Only MacBook Pro I'm sad about losing is the 17" model. I would have loved a 17" Retina MBP.

I couldn't care less about the 15" MBP going away, I never used my optical drive, I wanted a large capacity super fast SSD.
 
Quu said:
Only MacBook Pro I'm sad about losing is the 17" model. I would have loved a 17" Retina MBP.

I couldn't care less about the 15" MBP going away, I never used my optical drive, I wanted a large capacity super fast SSD.
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Yeahhh 17" would be niiiice. I'm glad the cMBP's have faded away. I actually would prefer a 15" MBA over the rMBP's though...I don't need fast CPU's, HDMI, or two thunderbolt ports. I just need more screen space than 13" in a lightweight long-battery form.
 
throAU said:
I'm not sure why it is that when discussing personal preferences in a thread asking if YOU are happy or not, some people decide that personal opinion is a reflection of ALL USERS needs.

I guess it's just a hallmark trait of people who don't understand the concept of discussion forums, and people who just like to de-rail discussion by going entirely off-topic.


i.e., For ME, I am not going to miss the lack of the classic's extra stuff. Others may. however this is a thread asking whether YOU are happy, not whether you think apple have made the best choice for every user on the planet.
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Agreed. It's weird to be 'happy' to see a Mac model discontinued. I have mixed feelings. Sad to see such an iconic Mac bite the dust. But progress marches forward, or something like that. I'm not sure people who like the integrated optical drive and like being able to make easy upgrades consider this progress.

Sad to see it go too because of the pride SJ took in introducing it. Remember him passing a unibody aluminum chassis around at the keynote? All Macs are now unibody but this was the first one.
 
Bummed, very!

I'm making the switch from Windows and I was looking at the cMBP (so that's what the non-retinas are called!). I was about to make the purchase last month when I found out about an upcoming keynote. Thought I'd wait.

Now I'm left why I didn't go ahead then... Although the prospect of something "more modern" is also appealing.

What I miss:
» Ethernet (Where I stay, the Wireless can be tricky)
» Optical drive (yes, I do use DVDs)

And I don't *need* a retina screen in the first place.

Irrelevant complaint - Not sure when I will use Thunderbolt. I'd rather have more USB ports. My current laptop has 4.
 
kartnite said:
I'm making the switch from Windows and I was looking at the cMBP (so that's what the non-retinas are called!). I was about to make the purchase last month when I found out about an upcoming keynote. Thought I'd wait.

Now I'm left why I didn't go ahead then... Although the prospect of something "more modern" is also appealing.

What I miss:
» Ethernet (Where I stay, the Wireless can be tricky)
» Optical drive (yes, I do use DVDs)

And I don't *need* a retina screen in the first place.

Irrelevant complaint - Not sure when I will use Thunderbolt. I'd rather have more USB ports. My current laptop has 4.
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I was waiting to see what they come up with too, and since retina is still not quite what I want all things considered, I just got a refurbished cMBP. Apple would need to do something quite a bit more stupid to make me dump OS X.
 
themumu said:
I was waiting to see what they come up with too, and since retina is still not quite what I want all things considered, I just got a refurbished cMBP. Apple would need to do something quite a bit more stupid to make me dump OS X.
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A probably naïve question - because I know its more about "technology" (not about the brand) - is it really worth going for a refurbished laptop? This will be my first Mac. Been on Windows ever since I got myself a computer.

On another note - any possible way to connect the rMBP2013 to an ethernet cable? I know there is an external superdrive.
 
kartnite said:
A probably naïve question - because I know its more about "technology" (not about the brand) - is it really worth going for a refurbished laptop? This will be my first Mac. Been on Windows ever since I got myself a computer.

On another note - any possible way to connect the rMBP2013 to an ethernet cable? I know there is an external superdrive.
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This will be my first refurbished mac, but I expect it to be as good as new. The important thing is that the warranty is exactly the same as new - 1 year and optional 3 year. My other macs were bought with a student discount, which is pretty much the same as refurbished discount in most cases, but in this case it is an item that is no longer available new, so I had to go refurbished. My university store still sells the old models, but for $200 more than Apple refurbished - easy math.

There is a Thunderbolt to Ethernet adapter available. It's one of the optional accessories they list if you go to the item customization page on the online store.

The breaking point for me was the lack of Kensington slot. I just couldn't justify dropping almost $3000 on a laptop and having to deal with stupid dongles and no way to secure your laptop if you need to leave it for a short while in a semi-public place. There are aftermarket locks, but they are such ridiculous ugly contraptions. I don't know why anyone would shell out money on a beautiful machine like the retina or air only to crappify it with one of those idiotic brackets.
 
themumu said:
This will be my first refurbished mac, but I expect it to be as good as new. The important thing is that the warranty is exactly the same as new - 1 year and optional 3 year. My other macs were bought with a student discount, which is pretty much the same as refurbished discount in most cases, but in this case it is an item that is no longer available new, so I had to go refurbished. My university store still sells the old models, but for $200 more than Apple refurbished - easy math.

There is a Thunderbolt to Ethernet adapter available. It's one of the optional accessories they list if you go to the item customization page on the online store.

The breaking point for me was the lack of Kensington slot. I just couldn't justify dropping almost $3000 on a laptop and having to deal with stupid dongles and no way to secure your laptop if you need to leave it for a short while in a semi-public place. There are aftermarket locks, but they are such ridiculous ugly contraptions. I don't know why anyone would shell out money on a beautiful machine like the retina or air only to crappify it with one of those idiotic brackets.
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That's a good point! Something which I never thought of (Kensington slot).

But in hindsight, I never used it with my current laptop. I never leave it out of my sight and I'm quite sure that's what I will do with a Mac as well. But, I do see what you mean...

I had the chance for a great student offer last year; but thought I'd give my current machine one more push. Happy that it held up, but I've lost out the machine I had in mind. Oh well...

Glad to know about the warranty on a refurbished Mac. So... One more question comes to mind - does "refurbished" mean it could have a dent or crack, etc?

Thanks for suggesting that adapter, btw - I might have to get one then.
 
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