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revenue increase from forcing people to buy RAM from them at the time of computer purchase

i doubt it. Ram for the new macbook pros isnt that expensive to upgrade. Im sure they love the idea of people being forced to buy ram from THEM but its not a conspiracy; its just a way to make the machine thinner. lots of windows machines have ram soldered into them as well. All machines will be sealed like this in a few years. The archaic days of buy n chop isnt really necessary anymore. People will buy machines with what they want built in and just use.
 
People will buy machines with what they want built in and just use.

Customization is one of the main reasons for me being interested in computers. I like to adjust my desktop PC or even my laptop. That's why I personally dislike the direction that Apple is going...
 
sahee, I understand but my point is most people who buy laptops dont usually sit and tear them down to customize like you would a dekstop. The ONLY "customizing" most people do is buy a cheaper machine so they can fit their own cheaper ram or hard drives and not have to pay a premium upfront for "in machine" memory or storage. really, what other customizing can you do on a laptop?
 
Customization is one of the main reasons for me being interested in computers. I like to adjust my desktop PC or even my laptop. That's why I personally dislike the direction that Apple is going...
And this will affect Apple how? You bought a 4S, you can't even customize it other than the software bit. Irony much?

If you don't like computers being turned into mere appliances, then don't buy anything from Apple and sell your 4S, problem solved. Too bad millions of users across the world resoundingly disagree with you.
 
And this will affect Apple how? You bought a 4S, you can't even customize it other than the software bit. Irony much?

If you don't like computers being turned into mere appliances, then don't buy anything from Apple and sell your 4S, problem solved. Too bad millions of users across the world resoundingly disagree with you.

Well, you did actually notice that the majority of computer users are using windows based PC's/Laptops which do have customization, right? The Macbook-Pro 13inch is the most sold Unit from Apple, one of the main reasons for its popularity is the ability to customize certain aspects. Although many users prefer the classic 15inch Macbook pro above the Macbook-Retina for its ability to be upgraded.

sahee, I understand but my point is most people who buy laptops dont usually sit and tear them down to customize like you would a dekstop. The ONLY "customizing" most people do is buy a cheaper machine so they can fit their own cheaper ram or hard drives and not have to pay a premium upfront for "in machine" memory or storage. really, what other customizing can you do on a laptop?

If you plan to use a computer for more than 2-3 years, than HDD/SSD and RAM replacement can be a enlightenment. This way you can improve the living cycle of you your machine. I personally don't feel comfortable with reselling my machine every 1-2 years to hold its value... but I know many Apple users do exactly that and buy the newer Version without making much deficit.
 
I the retina RAM really not upgradeable? It's soldered in place, but can't it be taken out and replaced by a trained professional anyway?

I'm wondering specifically because they only sell the 8 GB version of the 2.6 GHZ/512 GB high end model in store, and I can't afford to wait to get a BTO version with 16 GB of RAM shipped to me.

Meanwhile, my 8 GB option is swapping like insanity with only Safari, Mail, and Aperture in use.

It is possible, but difficult. Check this out

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JB1InDsWCjQ

All u Need is a heat gun and an iron. I'll say it is bloody difficult for a beginner
 
If you plan to use a computer for more than 2-3 years, than HDD/SSD and RAM replacement can be a enlightenment.

not trying to argue but 4 years ago i bought a dell laptop with 16 g of ram and a 500g hard drive. The only thing i wish i could replace is the processor. I do animation, photoshop, sculpting, audio engineering, and the regular mail and web stuff. In the next three years or so i don't foresee EVER needing more than 16 g of ram or 512 of hard drive. Thats just me though. I use a personal server with 3TB as I don't want to carry all my stuff locally for security reasons.

Im friends with texture artists who would choke 32 g of ram in a heartbeat. And some video editors that would fall out of their chair at the thought of a 512g hard drive. But me? Im a prosumer and my needs never radically change. Id say 5 years is the average laptop life and when most people buy new ones its because they need a processor boost.

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by the way, the SSD in the new MacBooks are replaceable
 
It is possible, but difficult. Check this out

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JB1InDsWCjQ

All u Need is a heat gun and an iron. I'll say it is bloody difficult for a beginner

It would be bloody difficult for an expert. You have to apply tremendous heat (far beyond the 100C people fret about when running games) to 32 tightly packed chips. Compounding the problem is that the chips are soldered on both sides of the circuit board. Then you have to worry about solder residue. It would take just one microscopic sliver of solder across two pins on any one of the 32 chips to give you a fatal ram error when you power it on for the first time.
 
And I thought 128 MB of RAM was complete overkill when I got my Pismo.

so you have a 12 year old laptop and you are worried about your ram? are you serious or are you pulling my leg?
 
so you have a 12 year old laptop and you are worried about your ram? are you serious or are you pulling my leg?
At the time it seemed like overkill and less than a year later when OS X was released, it was suddenly barely enough. I'm telling you that resource needs can change rapidly. I'm not saying we're going to have another paradigm shift like that anytime soon, but being able to foresee them is problematic.
 
dood, i actually remember that. i had a cpu extension card that wasnt supported either. it was a bummer and a lot of people were upset. I managed to get it running with only 64. i get your point, but i dont see how theyre gonna squeeze any thinner without doing this. windows ultrabooks are doing the same thing. theyre making these into appliances and if you or I want upgradeability we need to stick with other units.

Apple does their thing and thats that. If they release the next version of osx and it needs 32 gigs of ram, rendering all rMBP obsolete, i think youll see an avalanche of users filing lawsuits til the end of time.
 
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