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Rant:EFFFFFF SNOW LEOPARD

memory?

I am wondering whether the people with problems have the max memory in their computers.

I can tell you that since I took my early 2009 17 inch MBP up to 8GB RAM, then installed SL (a totally clean install where I wiped the drive, installed Leopard clean, then SL), I have had no problems outside of user error. I was skeptical, but with a backup volume partition and a Time Machine with all original specs and applications, it was worth a try. I am glad I did. This was just this past weekend.

What launched me into it was an external drive that was not mounting for several minutes, then I discovered OS X was trying to repair the volume, but could not; so since it was the backup drive, I just had to wipe it, test it, and move on. Tech Tool Pro did the job nicely and the volume must have been repaired during a volume check since no problems where IDd. The other drive that never has shown any problems had some major volume problems, so I will have to wipe that drive tonight and restore from the backup drive.

Anyway, while running the tests from TechTool, which has a scan utility checking all sectors and on a 1.5 TB drive, that takes 4 hours, my MBP was rebooting by itself after only 45 minutes, everytime. This only happened when the machine was left alone. I found that using those "clean up" programs on Leopard must make it unstable since I have the same cleanup programs on a Tiger iMac and no problems leaving that bugger alone all night.

Anyway, since the instability was there, I figured I would upgrade the OS to SL simultaneously with doing the drive maintenance. I am glad I did and I left the computers on all night to update my Time Machine backup and it didn't reboot at all by itself. Success! I will never install those "cleaning programs" again for they do delete items needed by the OS.

Round and round...

Anyway, I am glad I got SL.
 
Ok I took the plunge 2 days ago to upgrade my nicely working Leopard Macbook pro to SL and it's not too rosy...
I waited for a couple of months to at least get 10.6.1 and close to 10.6.2 and also to ensure 3rd party apps would get updated with compatibility fixes and the likes.
The installation went ok (clean install after upgrading at the same time to a Seagate 7200.4 500GB 7200rpm) and I used the Migration Assistant to import my Leopard setup from a SuperDuper backup. The usual routine here, nothing to shout about.

Pros:
- Slightly faster overall. Boot sequence. Applications start up.

Cons:
- GPGMail not working anymore... (ok it's a known issue so my fault for not checking this one)
- GrowlMail plugin not working
- More ennoying is Time Machine that chokes after backing up exactly 45.40GB out of ~250GB. I reformatted my 1TB firewire 800 drive and tried again with the same result... This drive was working just fine with Time Machine under Leopard.

Overall it's not too bad but 24 months to release SL seems far fetched even considering the work that went in on the internals of the OS... Sounds to me that the work that went on for the iPhone took precedence over SL.
 
I've only had 2 crashes since installing SL, but then again I have less than a dozen 3-party apps on my system.
 
larkost said:
But in general it sounds like people have something wrong with their system, and don't have the skills to figure out what it is.
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The problem is the operating system, Sherlock. Apple fixed some of the problem for newer computers with Performance Update 1.0. But many people are having the problem on computers that Apple hasn't fixed yet, because they aren't for sale in stores. Those people can hope for 10.6.2. Or 3, or 4.

It means that whatever program currently has the cursor (or focus) has not given the OS any direct sign of life recently (last few seconds). This is a very broad category of problems, and can't be just "fixed"
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It can be "fixed" if the cause for delay is in the OS via an API call from the app. See "Performance Update 1.0."
 
Amdahl said:
The problem is the operating system, Sherlock. ."
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Wellll, the problem can't only be the OS, as there are thousands of people like myself having zero problems.

Haven't you heard the saying that if somethings goes right, that person will tell 2 people, but if something goes wrong that person will tell 100? It happens with everything, and then especially so when any OS update comes out.
 
My experience has been the exact opposite. I'm not trying to be a fanboy here because I do get pissed off at Apple sometimes for the crap they try to pull, but I believe Snow Leopard is faster and more stable than Leopard was.

I love my Snow Leopard! In fact, this is the first time I've actually LOVED a brand new OS update.

I can't wait for 10.6.2! I have no idea what they can improve on, but as long as it keeps getting better, I love it!

</excitement>
 
I upgraded to Snow Leopard and I'm pretty happy with it.

There are a few issues and niggles that need to be dealt with though.

Spaces is very glitchy, if you go in and out of it quickly all the windows tend to stick. Also, if I try to move an application from one space to another it lags like hell, just seems to float around as if it can't catch up to the mouse.

I've found Safari to launch really quickly in 64bit mode but when i click the new tab button (it opens up 'top sites') the whole app beachballs and I have to wait for a minute for it to start working again.



A couple of frustrating things but overall I am happy to have upgaded to the new OS.

edit: just to note i have a 2008 24" iMac intel core2duo with 4gig of ram.
 
larkost said:
jaw04005:
But in general it sounds like people have something wrong with their system, and don't have the skills to figure out what it is..
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I have used mac since Tiger and I am very familiar with the macintosh system.

I've tried EVERYTHING to fix my buffering issues in Hulu and OOVOO.

First:
My speakeasy internet test is 90mbps.. yes 90, not 4/5 mbps. my ISP is from the school's internet and I connect directly.
When I run XP via parallel OR bootcamp, hulu streams PERFECTLY fine.
So that rules out any hardware issues and ISP issues.

So... I never had issues in Leopard but starting getting it towards the end.. and then hoped that SL would fix it but no luck.
I did a CLEAN install of SL w/ NOTHING installed, ran safari and Hulu has problems.
Pluss, Expose is SUPER choppy, as bad as INtel950

Im open to suggestions...
 
could it be that the Mac OS doesn't allow super fast internet so it caps it?
cause when i run torrent, my internet slows down even though my dl speed is like 80kbps. also, when i puase in hulu, the buffering signal is 0 bars
 
larkost said:
jaw04005: You really don't know what the "beachball" means, do you?
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Nope. No clue what "beachballing" is. I've only been using OS X since the original 10.0 Beta in Summer 2000. :rolleyes:

In 10.6's case, the OS is responsible for the freezing since it happens within Finder.

The fact of the matter is 10.6 has real problems that need to be dealt with. You can't ignore the problems reported on boards such as this or even Apple's own discussion forums. It's not problem free, just like Leopard wasn't problem free when it was released (video card freezes, etc).

Just because you don't exhibit any of the problems mentioned, doesn't mean they don't exist. There's absolutely no need to marginalize other member's issues. It's likely that many of these problems are limited to specific hardware configurations and Apple will fix the vast majority of problems with future software updates.
 
madog said:
Wellll, the problem can't only be the OS, as there are thousands of people like myself having zero problems.

Haven't you heard the saying that if somethings goes right, that person will tell 2 people, but if something goes wrong that person will tell 100? It happens with everything, and then especially so when any OS update comes out.
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Yeah, I've heard of it. What is your point? That the problem doesn't exist? Or that it isn't 'lofty' enough to acknowledge it exists? Or that you don't acknowledge an Apple bug exists until after they fix it?
 
Great to see that it's not just me...

We have the 13" macbook and the 17" macbook pro - bought them both in 2006. No issues on the SL install on the Pro - and only did the upgrade, not the clean install.
The 13" macbook is another story completely. Just did a clean install last night - 3rd time! Didn't put ANY other applications on it, and 2 crashes within 30 minutes. First one when opening Word and 2nd one immediately after using Safari. Argh! The last install I did was a week ago and it seemed fine at first but then eventually got to that point where it crashes and when you start it back up, it goes into a reboot loop - continually trying to reboot until you do the hard shut down.

Anyway, just wanted to share that it's not due to any 'geek' apps, either, and doing the exact same thing to 2 different laptops produced 2 different results.
 
flanamac said:
I am wondering whether the people with problems have the max memory in their computers.

I can tell you that since I took my early 2009 17 inch MBP up to 8GB RAM, then installed SL (a totally clean install where I wiped the drive, installed Leopard clean, then SL), I have had no problems outside of user error. I was skeptical, but with a backup volume partition and a Time Machine with all original specs and applications, it was worth a try. I am glad I did. This was just this past weekend.

What launched me into it was an external drive that was not mounting for several minutes, then I discovered OS X was trying to repair the volume, but could not; so since it was the backup drive, I just had to wipe it, test it, and move on. Tech Tool Pro did the job nicely and the volume must have been repaired during a volume check since no problems where IDd. The other drive that never has shown any problems had some major volume problems, so I will have to wipe that drive tonight and restore from the backup drive.

Anyway, while running the tests from TechTool, which has a scan utility checking all sectors and on a 1.5 TB drive, that takes 4 hours, my MBP was rebooting by itself after only 45 minutes, everytime. This only happened when the machine was left alone. I found that using those "clean up" programs on Leopard must make it unstable since I have the same cleanup programs on a Tiger iMac and no problems leaving that bugger alone all night.

Anyway, since the instability was there, I figured I would upgrade the OS to SL simultaneously with doing the drive maintenance. I am glad I did and I left the computers on all night to update my Time Machine backup and it didn't reboot at all by itself. Success! I will never install those "cleaning programs" again for they do delete items needed by the OS.

Round and round...

Anyway, I am glad I got SL.
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What a testimonial! Apple should use that in their ads :)

I, too, have Snow Leopard. It's sitting in a box unopened for now.
 
jaw04005 said:
Nope. No clue what "beachballing" is. I've only been using OS X since the original 10.0 Beta in Summer 2000. :rolleyes:

In 10.6's case, the OS is responsible for the freezing since it happens within Finder.

The fact of the matter is 10.6 has real problems that need to be dealt with. You can't ignore the problems reported on boards such as this or even Apple's own discussion forums. It's not problem free, just like Leopard wasn't problem free when it was released (video card freezes, etc).

Just because you don't exhibit any of the problems mentioned, doesn't mean they don't exist. There's absolutely no need to marginalize other member's issues. It's likely that many of these problems are limited to specific hardware configurations and Apple will fix the vast majority of problems with future software updates.
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Thank you. Nothing is more frustrating than trying to research a problem to see what the best next step would be and see people saying your issue doesn't exist.
Speaking of issues, Safari just froze up on me again when trying to respond to this post... Grrrr....
 
madog said:
Wellll, the problem can't only be the OS, as there are thousands of people like myself having zero problems.

Haven't you heard the saying that if somethings goes right, that person will tell 2 people
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It went right for you. How many people have you just told?

A few more than 2 perhaps?

Having you heard that saying that a person who relies on
sayings is a, but if something goes wrong that person will tell 100? It happens with everything, and then especially so when any OS update comes out.
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Ok. Give me the stats. How many people, as a percentage of
the set of all OS 10.6 users have had significant problems?

You haven't actually got a clue, have you? All you can give us
is these sayings.
 
My experience with SL has its fair share of pros and cons.

Safari crashes every once in a while, especially when trying to upload images on certain sites. My iMac is taking 10-15 seconds longer to boot than when I had Leopard (2008 iMac C2D 2.4GHz, 4GB RAM, less than 8GB of HD space used). The annoying self-assigned IP address issue I had with Leopard only became more frequent with SL, but thankfully that's fixed now. Mail didn't automatically detect the incoming and outgoing servers (also fixed now).

Disregarding boot time, load time for the majority of apps (including 3rd party) seems to be noticeably, but not significantly faster than with Leopard. Animation is definitely a lot smoother than before.
 
flanamac said:
I will never install those "cleaning programs" again for they do delete items needed by the OS.
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These are the type of "geek" utilities I'm talking about. 99.9% of us don't need anything more than what comes with OSX to maintain it. (If doing nothing is called maintenance these days. :D).

A lot of us went to macs so we wouldn't have to do this crap anymore.

Anyway, I am glad I got SL.
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Your success with installing SL wasn't due to SL. A clean install of any OSX probably would've fixed your troubles.
 
Richard1028 said:
These are the type of "geek" utilities I'm talking about. 99.9% of us don't need anything more than what comes with OSX to maintain it. (If doing nothing is called maintenance these days. :D).

A lot of us went to macs so we wouldn't have to do this crap anymore.

Your success with installing SL wasn't due to SL. A clean install of any OSX probably would've fixed your troubles.
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My install of Leopard was running great, however, Snow Leopard is running even better and I'm loving all the little subtle changes and enhancements. There's a ton of them. I'll just be doing basic things and I'll stumble upon something and smile to myself. It's just a solid OS. I've never been so happy with a brand new OS release in my life.
 
My beef with snow leopard is that every time I reboot my computer, the sound level always resets back to full. Anyone know how to fix this?
 
Snow Leopard has been flawless for me. You guys are just weird! :p (Kidding, of course.)
 
TheSpaz said:
My install of Leopard was running great, however, Snow Leopard is running even better and I'm loving all the little subtle changes and enhancements. There's a ton of them. I'll just be doing basic things and I'll stumble upon something and smile to myself. It's just a solid OS. I've never been so happy with a brand new OS release in my life.
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Hey, Spaz, your opinions are obviously useless here. Apple isn't prepping a gigantic 10.6.2 update with changes in over 150 areas because Snow Leopard is the best OS release ever, unless you're just shy of 2 years old.
 
Just to throw my hat into the ring - been on SL since it's first week, and no obvious issues, yet. I just know something is gonna go wrong now...
 
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