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Before social media, most posters on macrumors were only bold enough to keep sly comments to other tech companies besides Apple. If you don't know who Cardi B is, she just broke the record for streaming for a female. Read the article, and now you know. Its the difference between ignorant and stupid. Thin line.
 
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"Hey Siri ....... pause"

I've seen this story before.

1. Macrumors mentions news related to a hip-hop or R&B artist
2. All those who don't like the genre or frankly haven't even listened to the music come out to show how elite they are and how beneath them these repugnant songs are
3. Those a bit more intelligent realize the music simply may not be for them and still respect the fact that there is a significant group of people who find these artists and their work appealing for whatever reasons
4. Meanwhile, our democracy continues to provide opportunities for individuals to make choices that suit their self-interest and tastes under the letter of the law
5. Rinse and repeat

"Hey Siri ............ unpause the music" which happens to be Invasion of Privacy by Cardi B :)
 
"Hey Siri ....... pause"

I've seen this story before.

1. Macrumors mentions news related to a hip-hop or R&B artist
2. All those who don't like the genre or frankly haven't even listened to the music come out to show how elite they are and how beneath them these repugnant songs are
3. Those a bit more intelligent realize the music simply may not be for them and still respect the fact that there is a significant group of people who find these artists and their work appealing for whatever reasons
4. Meanwhile, our democracy continues to provide opportunities for individuals to make choices that suit their self-interest and tastes under the letter of the law
5. Rinse and repeat

"Hey Siri ............ unpause the music" which happens to be Invasion of Privacy by Cardi B :)
You gotta a point!

I cringe when a Dr. Dre (Beats) topic is posted. Some of the comments are interesting.
 
"Hey Siri ....... pause"

I've seen this story before.

1. Macrumors mentions news related to a hip-hop or R&B artist
2. All those who don't like the genre or frankly haven't even listened to the music come out to show how elite they are and how beneath them these repugnant songs are
3. Those a bit more intelligent realize the music simply may not be for them and still respect the fact that there is a significant group of people who find these artists and their work appealing for whatever reasons
4. Meanwhile, our democracy continues to provide opportunities for individuals to make choices that suit their self-interest and tastes under the letter of the law
5. Rinse and repeat

"Hey Siri ............ unpause the music" which happens to be Invasion of Privacy by Cardi B :)
You forgot that it also usually brings out the self appointed forum commentators. ;)
 
Up next will be Bhad Bhabie (aka Cash Me Ousside girl). She's sure following the formula of starting out on YouTube with 90 million views for "Hi Bich / Wachu Know" and 64 million views for "These Heaux". Some record company will inevitably pick her up too.

To each their own, but I prefer the classic four components of music (melody, harmony, rhythm, and timbre). Too much of the music today lacks both melody and harmony.
 
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Up next will be Bhad Bhabie (aka Cash Me Ousside girl). She's sure following the formula of starting out on YouTube with 90 million views for "Hi Bich / Wachu Know" and 64 million views for "These Heaux". Some record company will inevitably pick her up too.

To each their own, but I prefer the classic four components of music (melody, harmony, rhythm, and timbre). Too much of the music today lacks both melody and harmony.
Thank you for your last paragraph. I think most of people of new generation have forget what is music. It's not about rapping something random with auto repeat sound in the background!
 
I have no idea either. I routinely see some hip-hop artist I’ve never heard of step out of his third Lamborghini. I think I keep up reasonably well with cultural changes, so it must be that the genre just doesn’t speak to me.

Hip Hop is the fastest growing (and arguably the most influential) part of modern culture today. If you're not listening to it you're cut off from the common 20 year old. So much modern slang is from these songs...
 
Hip Hop is the fastest growing (and arguably the most influential) part of modern culture today.
Hip hop may currently be the most popular but I’m betting country is the fastest growing. Just as once upon a recent time rock was the most popular while hip hop was the fastest growing. ;)

If you're not listening to it you're cut off from the common 20 year old.
Wow, pretty melodramatic (ref below)

So much modern slang is from these songs...
Probably true (and has always been). So? I hear what you’re saying but who was the last 20-year-old who spoke to you only in hip hop slang? Should I be concerned that suddenly every millennial will sound like they’re speaking Mandarin? People of all ages can communicate beautifully. All they have to do is choose to. I have a great relationship with my folks, but I’m not too into showtunes or Streisand either. I listen to some of everything to know a little and use the rest of my insufficient music time listening to what I like. Don’t you?
 
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Um...your avatar shows your age, assuming, that you're like me and became a fan during his heyday in the 80's. However, he was sufficiently talented and creative enough to remain relevant and gain new fans well past the 80's, so maybe you're a much younger fan than I am. I was in my sophomore year of college when I started listening to him...on tape. First on a cheap cassette player and then on a Sony Walkman it took ages to save up for and which I still have.
Cassette? Not 8-track?
I have no idea who this is. Must be showing my age.

Same. I never thought it would happen, but it finally did... I'm completely out of touch with new music.

I know who she is, but can’t name anything she sings.

That headline is the reason -
Rapper Cardi B Breaks Taylor Swift's Apple Music Record

Rapper? Music?

Halsey has an interesting voice. Wonder who has / has not heard of her.

Several performers have gained exposure that they would not have otherwise when they have appeared on Kimmel, Colbert, etc. Alessia Cara, Niall Horan, Lukas Graham, Kelsea Ballerina are examples. Of course, it's possible for anyone watching the awards shows to be familiar with these performers. I find others when I'm searching for a performer whose music has appeared in a TV show or in a movie.
 
Stopped reading right after the Title name first word "RAPPER"

Should add a C right before the name, cause that's how it sounds.
And your musical tastes / opinions have precisely what to do with the story here? Which is about how Apple Music is getting a lot of use. Why should anyone here care what you think about musical styles? How does crapping on musical genres you don't appreciate contribute to a discussion of Apple?

My tastes are all over the map - not that it matters. And over the years I've heard a lot of people say, "oh, yes, I like all kinds of music, except (of course) Country" or "... except (of course) Rap", or even in the Classical realm "... except (of course) Opera", and every time dripping with disdain on that last word - why such hate on entire genres of music? And why the need to voice it so strongly? Looking for a high-five of approval from some like-minded close-minded individual? Or looking to convince someone who does like a different genre than you, that they should stop liking it? I've yet to hear an entire genre of music where there wasn't someone with some real artistry and talent, doing something interesting and worthwhile.
 
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And your musical tastes / opinions have precisely what to do with the story here? Which is about how Apple Music is getting a lot of use. Why should anyone here care what you think about musical styles? How does crapping on musical genres you don't appreciate contribute to a discussion of Apple?

My tastes are all over the map - not that it matters. And over the years I've heard a lot of people say, "oh, yes, I like all kinds of music, except (of course) Country" or "... except (of course) Rap", or even in the Classical realm "... except (of course) Opera", and every time dripping with disdain on that last word - why such hate on entire genres of music? And why the need to voice it so strongly? Looking for a high-five of approval from some like-minded close-minded individual? Or looking to convince someone who does like a different genre than you, that they should stop liking it? I've yet to hear an entire genre of music where there wasn't someone with some real artistry and talent, doing something interesting and worthwhile.

LOL. He stopped reading but cared enough to post.

I don’t understand the hate on other genres. There’s no genre of music that makes me want to reply on a thread about an artist whose genre I don’t like.

There’s no denying with these numbers backing up that Cardi B is a star. Like her music or not she’s influential.
 
And your musical tastes / opinions have precisely what to do with the story here? Which is about how Apple Music is getting a lot of use. Why should anyone here care what you think about musical styles? How does crapping on musical genres you don't appreciate contribute to a discussion of Apple?

My tastes are all over the map - not that it matters. And over the years I've heard a lot of people say, "oh, yes, I like all kinds of music, except (of course) Country" or "... except (of course) Rap", or even in the Classical realm "... except (of course) Opera", and every time dripping with disdain on that last word - why such hate on entire genres of music? And why the need to voice it so strongly? Looking for a high-five of approval from some like-minded close-minded individual? Or looking to convince someone who does like a different genre than you, that they should stop liking it? I've yet to hear an entire genre of music where there wasn't someone with some real artistry and talent, doing something interesting and worthwhile.

It's just my opinion, nothing more, nothing less.:)

LOL. He stopped reading but cared enough to post.

I don’t understand the hate on other genres. There’s no genre of music that makes me want to reply on a thread about an artist whose genre I don’t like.

There’s no denying with these numbers backing up that Cardi B is a star. Like her music or not she’s influential.

Your post was controversial.
At least mine was about taste, yours not so much, and you know what that was about.
 
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Cassette? Not 8-track?

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8-Track was out of fashion by the time I could afford to buy music. I started with vinyl when I was about 10, on a tiny children’s suitcase style” record player and went straight to cassette when I wanted portable music in college and even then, through college I flat out bought only one Duran Duran and one Prince tape and one Def Leppard vinyl album and played them over and over and over.

I owned only about 12-14 albums (tape and vinyl) from age 10-23, if you don’t count low quality copies on tape that friends would occasionally make for me of their albums, and there weren’t many of those, either.

Getting an album was a significant expense and big deal in those days for me. My family didn’t like to spend on frivolity.

Mostly I recorded songs on cheap cassettes off the radio on a beat up Radio shack radio cassette recorder. It wasn’t even stereo. A decent boom box would not be within reach until I was 18 and working. Finally when I was about 20, I was able to buy my Walkman and could record really good quality music off the radio.

My family could never fit cable tv into the budget, so I missed the MTV Videos heyday most of my generation remembers. Lol, I was a Friday Night Videos kid instead.
 
Bodak Yellow?

Since I had no idea who she was I went over to YouTube to listen to her songs. Bodak Yellow was the number one video for her name and I listened to it twice. To me it sounds like angry talking. Like, she's not really mad, but she knows she is supposed to be and when she can't hide the fake anger while talking she waves her hands in front of her face. I don't understand the lyrics, but I expected that since I also don't know what Bodak Yellow means.

I doubt I will ever listen to her again, but hopefully her success draws more music to streaming that I do enjoy. So this is good for her and good for her fans. And, hopefully, good for me.
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Stopped reading right after the Title name first word "RAPPER"

Should add a C right before the name, cause that's how it sounds.

Edit: Just listened for 10 seconds at this Bodak Yellow song on Youtube, I wasn't wrong.


I recommend you treat it like an App you don't like. The success of apps you don't want to use drives other developers to make better apps. Sure some will attempt to copy the successful apps you uninstalled, but eventually there will be others that try to set themselves apart inspiring them to them to produce an app you use every day. Popular apps that you think are bad lead to different apps that you prefer. Patience and a good discovery algorithm will make most people happy.
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And your musical tastes / opinions have precisely what to do with the story here? Which is about how Apple Music is getting a lot of use.

Yo, CarlJ, I'm really happy for you, I'ma let you finish, but this story is about how Apple Music is getting more use not necessarily a lot. Estimates put the number of songs streamed per week at between 4 and 8 billion. So while Cardi B's 100 million on one platform is a lot for one artist it is disingenuous to say that 1 to 2% of the market means Apple Music is getting a lot of use. More than before, sure, but that does not mean it is a lot.
 
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I'm sure Tim Cook will issue a press release because "this means that Cardi B has set a new record for first-week streams by a female artist".

SMH
 
Cardi B is a true Cinderella story in a sense. Read up on her rise to fame. It's amazing.

She is a household name. She's performed in SNL, Fallon, etc. Put some respect on her name. lol

You all with the "who is she?" lol - I bet you wouldn't be saying that if she was a white artist.
Well, I'm a 59 year-old white guy, and I know who she is. Her music isn't really my thing, but I'm pretty impressed with her as a person. Caught her guest-hosting on Fallon last week, and she is a complete nutjob--in a good way. Extremely charismatic, and she possesses a sort of old-school screwball comic sensibility--think Lucille Ball on crack! Superb comic timing. The force is strong in this one; I think she will go very far.
 
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Hip Hop is the fastest growing (and arguably the most influential) part of modern culture today. If you're not listening to it you're cut off from the common 20 year old. So much modern slang is from these songs...

Hip-Hop/Rap + Texting lingo have ruined the English Language
 
Yo, CarlJ, I'm really happy for you, I'ma let you finish, but this story is about how Apple Music is getting more use not necessarily a lot. Estimates put the number of songs streamed per week at between 4 and 8 billion. So while Cardi B's 100 million on one platform is a lot for one artist it is disingenuous to say that 1 to 2% of the market means Apple Music is getting a lot of use. More than before, sure, but that does not mean it is a lot.
Gee, thanks for the snark. BTW, I strongly dislike Kanye mostly because of that event - he showed himself to be a self-absorbed jackass, while being unbelievably rude to someone who had done him no wrong, in front of an audience of millions. It's not just that he did it, it's that he somehow thought at the time that it was a reasonable thing to do in the first place. Nobody put a gun to his head and made him get up out of his seat, and climb up on stage, and grab the microphone, and interrupt the event, and suggest that someone else deserved the award more. That's all on him. 100% jackass.

Now to your point: I didn't say Apple Music is getting a huge percentage of the streaming market, or any such thing. I said they're getting "a lot" of use. 100 million streams (how many streams did the streaming service that you run send out to paying customers last week?). Yes, it's just a drop in the bucket in the big picture. It's still a lot of streams. 100 million of anything is a lot (if you don't believe me, just try counting to 100 million, out loud). But this isn't "StreamingRumors", it's "MacRumors", dealing with things related to Apple. The point wasn't, "here comes Apple they're totally taking over the market" - if that were the case, it might be newsworthy on StreamingRumors. But much less world-changing things, like Apple streaming an album 100 million times, are reasonably newsworthy here on MacRumors.

The story was about Apple's relative levels of success in the streaming market. Yet every time this kind of story about Apple Music comes up, there's a long line of forum members who are eager to let us know that they don't like that kind of music (whatever that kind may be this week). My point was, WTF does that matter and why are they telling us? (I'm guessing the second answer is along the lines of, their musical tastes were carved in stone in high school, and they're proud that they aren't changing and/or are looking for reassurance that "their" music is still the best). That is absolutely not relevant to the story at hand - which is always some data point about how well (or not) Apple is doing with Apple Music.

FWIW, I hadn't heard of Cardi B before. Because of this article, I'll probably go listen to some of her songs to see if I like them. That's not a bad thing. And I'm pleased that Apple is having some success with streaming music.
 
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Now to your point: I didn't say Apple Music is getting a huge percentage of the streaming market, or any such thing. I said they're getting "a lot" of use. 100 million streams (how many streams did the streaming service that you run send out to paying customers last week?).

What? Of course they are judged relative to their competitors. Everyone is, otherwise we can make that argument about anything in any direction. Apple sold 17 Apple Cars! How many cars did you sell, 17 is a lot! No. That's not how this works.

If I told you I expired 100 million molecules of CO2, I hope you wouldn't be that impressed. Numbers themselves don't have value. It's numbers in context that means something. They streamed more music than before, and that's noteworthy, but I am sorry what they did isn't a lot considering the volume of the market. The market defines what a lot is not how undesirable the number is to count to.

Apple is doing better in the streaming music market, and this person broke a record. All worth talking about. Neither of us is disputing that, so there is no reason to make the success seem bigger than it is.

I agree with you though, as the rest of my comments should have pointed out. It doesn't matter what type of music you like. 100 million streams of someone cracking their knuckles to Beethoven's 5th still drives interest in the platform and that leads to more music any one person will enjoy. So while I think Cardi B is terrible at her job it doesn't mean I am not happy for her success.
 
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