Razor Naga- 17 buttons but...

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  1. Huntn macrumors P6

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    Anyone currently using the Naga? I saw one, it looked like it had a lot of capability and ordered it online. Naturally I assumed that all of those 17 buttons were programmable. Now in my guild forum I've heard that the 12 buttons on the side correspond to the number buttons on the keyboard and can't be programmed. Looking for independent verification.

    If true, that is a crock of ****... Every major mouse/trackball with dedicated software has had the ability to program buttons for the last 20 years. The entire reason I purchased this mouse was to be able to program buttons, all of the buttons. I might just have to send it back...

    It is conceivable with any game, you could assign numbers to a command within the game's options key bindings. That might be a work around.

    The next question: Does The Naga have the ability to have key sets bound to specific applications?

    Thanks guys!
     
  2. Liquorpuki macrumors 68020

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    I have one and you can program it. You can also macro keystrokes to each button. This is for Windows though, no clue if you can do it on a Mac.

    You're gonna have to spend a lot of time to internalize the muscle memory to use this thing. Personally I didn't have the patience to do it so i just use a G9 now. I also have a Nostromo laying around unused for the same reason. The mouse is lighter than it looks and has a very plastic feel to it. Side keys are pretty small and they give you a few tactile feedback stickers to put on the keys but they might slip off without some glue.

    I'm guessing you're gonna use this for SWTOR?
     
  3. Huntn thread starter macrumors P6

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    Thanks for the info! Does it need a mousepad or will it work well on most surfaces including glass? I read the Naga Epic is heavier due to the battery in it, but it cost twice as much as the basic Naga. I'm going to use this for both SWTOR and Skyrim. :):)
     
  4. Liquorpuki macrumors 68020

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    I'm not sure about glass tracking because I've always used a mousepad. The weight shouldn't be an issue though because your muscle memory will adjust to it.

    How's SWTOR btw? Is it a WOW killer?
     
  5. royal shrimp macrumors member

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    i use the razor naga on my 13inch macbook air. it works fine. just as described, all keys are programmable and macros can be created for each. to use this feature however, you have to go to razors site and download the drivers for mac manually(which is a pain since they are hard to find and there are different ones)

    overall, awesome mouse, everything works!
     
  6. Huntn, Dec 4, 2011
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    Huntn thread starter macrumors P6

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    Thanks for the Naga advice. As far as SWTOR, it's a good game, I've decided to follow it into retail until something better comes along. Although I quit WoW a while back, SWTOR is not a WoW killer imo. I run around and go through the motions, but it's not grabbed my like WoW did. (Aw-oh you've got me talking about WoW ;)). WoW is a one of a kind achievement, that stands alone, and has no equal. WoW's environments although two dimensional in their MMO way, have a feeling of immersion I don't get from SWTOR. I admit this could be a personal been-assimilated problem. ;)

    SWTOR strong points are a good personal class story, many personalized (instanced spaces) to further the story which means you are not standing in a crowd of multiple players all talking to the same quest giver. And if you are partied with someone, I believe they can follow you into the space for this interaction as long as they are not the same class as you are. The flash point stories are probably SWTOR's best story/instances. The early Sith flash point involves dealing with a mutinous captain, repealing invaders, and then flying to a Republic ship to apprehend/kill a Sith traitor. Story telling has been taken to a higher level than WoW, although if you played WoW you might have seen something approximating that (but not as good) as in the Death Knight phased starter area. My guess is that based on the way quest giver interactions are conducted, Bioware is going to have a more labor intensive chore to bring new content to the table than Blizzard does. Of course the next thing you know, Blizzard will be emulating this aspect of SWTOR. ;)

    I've been saying the best thing is to give the game a shot and see for yourself. Primarily what I've noticed is that in SWTOR, you can mostly waltz through the game at least up to L20. Taking on 3 or 4 mobs is a cinch, especially when you get your companion at L10. Some are going to say it is too easy, but it is great for casual players. Now at the upper levels? I don't know how tough it becomes.

    Thanks a lot of the confirmation! :)
     
  7. JackAxe macrumors 68000

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    This mouse is great for gaming period and it doesn't take that long to get used to the 12 thumb buttons.

    I picked it up prior to getting Skyrim and now I wouldn't want to play this game without it. I can so easily and quickly switch between any of my assigned favorites. It only takes me a second to switch between whatever I have assigned and this includes dual handed spells.

    And this mouse keeps my hands completely off my main keyboard. I can now do everything from it and my G13 keypad.

    And for reference, originally it could not be programmed, but that was before I owned one and with earlier drivers.
     
  8. silverf1re macrumors regular

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    Naga owner windows and Mac

    Ok I spent hours trying to get my naga set up in windows and osx and here were my findings. First ur friends that are telling u that 1 through 12 correspond to number keys are half correct. Widows does not have the ability to reconize more than 5 mouse buttons howerever Mac can reconize mice with more than 5 buttons and mapping them on a Mac is no problem. Doing the same on windows requires the use of macros for it to function properly.



    Sources naga owner, windows and Mac world of Warcraft
     
  9. Huntn thread starter macrumors P6

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    Can favorites be organized to cover specific combinations of weapons, spells, and armor with one button press?

    I've figured out how to designate weapons and spells as favorites, but the game appears to be a mess for organization on the PC. Then use Q to pull up the favorite list. Then I do the assign a number to each favorite. and use numbers to fumble my way through calling up what I need.

    Of course it could just be me trying to figure it out. I designate a bunch of favorite items. Maybe you could write a little descriptive tutorial on how to set up favorites? And how you call up things with your Naga? :):) Thanks.

    I'm currently away from home on a trip, have the strategy guide ordered, but any insight would be appreciated.
     
  10. JackAxe macrumors 68000

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    I assigned my Naga for Skyrim like this, hopoefully there's something useful; :eek:

    #1 - Sword (Right)
    #2 - Bow (Both)
    #3 - destruction spell (Left, but with a double click it assigns to both hands.)
    #4 - restoration spell (Left, but with a double click it assigns to both hands.)
    #5 - shield (Left)
    #6 - different destruction spell (Left, but with a double click it assigns to both hands.)
    #7 - shout (Called with my Z key)
    #8 - shout (Called with my Z key)

    Now under a custom profile for the Naga, I modified the numeric key layout a bit.

    My "7-key" key is set as the "Z-key," so that I can easily activate my assigned shout.
    *I do the above, so that I never have to take my left fingers off movement and for me it helps out big time.*

    My "8-key" key is set as the "7-key."
    My "9-key" key is set as the "8-key."

    My "10-key" key is set as the Inventory menu.
    My "11-key" key is set as the Magic menu.
    My "12-key" key is set as the Map.

    It's really easy to switch to my sword, and then pull up my shield, or assigned spell, and then to my bow, and then back. And of course if my shield was up last, when I switch from the bow back to my sword, it pulls it up off the bat.

    It took some practice, but now I know all the buttons by muscle memory, so I don't fumble around like I did at first. :eek:

    That would be awesome. :)

    To state the obvious, you would need to assign your favorites to a number 1-8, then create a macro in the Naga Control pannel that called the combination of numbers you wanted with a small delay in between each one. As rambled above, I got so used to the button layout and playing Skyrim, so I can easily switch to any combination of my assigned favorites quickly.

    Anyways, I bought this mouse on an impulse after trying the display at a local Frys. I had actually gone down to buy a keyboard and go it instead. I'm SOOOOO glad I did get it, because now it's my favorite mouse. :)
     
  11. sonarghost macrumors regular

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    Yes. I used this mouse for the past year or so and you can set it up so that the mouse automatically changes "profiles" depending on the application. I had my wow profile so that I can use my spells, attacks, ect. one way and then when I went on to using osx it would switch by itself to my os settings. I have certain buttons that are set to do things like save, close windows, exit programs, ect. for when I'm using OS X. This may not seem like much but after so long using these quick thumb shortcuts I would rebuy this mouse just for using applications even if I stopped gaming. If you really take the time to customize it to your liking and make yourself get used to it it becomes an awesome tool. I say "get used to it" because it will take a few weeks to train your thumb to hit the right pad without thinking.
     
  12. Huntn thread starter macrumors P6

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    Thanks guys. When I get home, hopefully my Naga will be sitting there waiting for me to play with, along with my Skyrim strategy guide. I'll report back once I've had a chance to set up.

    Jack do you or anyone like the native gear equip setup within the PC version of Skyrim? As you know, I don't.
     
  13. macnjack macrumors member

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    t;dr version: Force yourself to use it and you'll be satisfied.


    I use one for gaming and found it to be incredibly useful and efficient for pvp in WoW and Rift but also raiding once you adjust. Less time clicking and looking down and all that jazz. I cannot comment on skyrim or others games however.

    There should be some little sticky knobs (<---that sounds bad) in the packaging that are used elevate buttons. I recommend using them for a bit. Personal setup at first was 1-3-5-7-9-11.

    I also like the slight resistance of the mouse wheel since use scroll-forward for interrupts and scroll-back for spell control breaking....twitch maneuvers.
     
  14. JackAxe macrumors 68000

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    No problem. I still haven't got my guide, but even if I finish the game soon, I'll still get one.

    Native gear equip setup? :O
     
  15. TinHead88 macrumors regular

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    It's such a shame games don't have voice control. It seems like such an obvious opportunity for better immersion.

    Who wants to memorise all these commands and then fumble when they are needed with speed?

    Imagine just saying: Long Bow, Map, Inventory, Examine, Drop xxx, Talk, Cast Lightening, ready potion xxx, use potion xxx, etc
     
  16. JackAxe macrumors 68000

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    On the PC, Game Commander and MindMaker will kind of do what you want without extra hardware like the Kinnect. They allow voice commands to be assigned to keys/macros from what I recall.

    You couldn't say Drink Potion XXX, it would need to be a hotkey assignment. But on this, I personally wouldn't want to have to say equip Elvin Shield of so and so as an example.

    But, to all their own.

    ANd on this, check out this guy's setup with Kinnect and Skyrim on the PC;
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z83wzJwrBK0

    It's cool what he's done, but it's also noticeably slower approach than what can be done with a keys and buttons.

    I can see some aspects as being more immersive, but for a fantasy game, outside of saying a spell or in Skyrim a shout, I'd rather just press a button. :)
     
  17. TinHead88 macrumors regular

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    Thanks for the hint about voice activation software. I wasn't aware such software was around. The two you mentioned (JackAxe) seem to be quite old but I did find VAC (http://www.dwvac.com/) and I will give this a try very soon. I'm really looking forward to what I think will give me a greater sense of immersion and less button fatigue.
     
  18. Fynd macrumors 6502

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    I have one and love it, although I'm having intermittent issues with a laggy/jumpy mouse curser in OS X Lion. I'm not sure what's causing it, it's pretty damn annoying and ruins any sort of fluid experience with the OS. Argh. Anyone else have any similar issues or input on this?
     
  19. MasterTick macrumors 6502

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    So how do you like your Naga? Best mouse ever right?
     
  20. Huntn thread starter macrumors P6

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    I'm getting ready to try out the Naga... I'll be looking at that setup post you mentioned.

    I'll let you know. My real preference is a trackball with bunches of buttons, but you don't see many of those these days. I'm considering the new Nostromo, which obviously is not a track ball, but it adds more of a traditional keyboard feel than on the side of a mouse. The problem there is I'm on the road half of every month and don't want to worry about packing it so I am looking for a portable solution.
     
  21. TinHead88 macrumors regular

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    The Nostromo has made a big difference to me. On a keyboard your thumb is relegated to one basic function and usually it's jump. On the Nostromo I now use the little thumb button for grenade (or similar) and the thumb stick for often used modes like cloak or crouch, etc. It really is much better than using a normal keyboard as you don't lose your positioning fumbling for some far away key.
     
  22. Huntn thread starter macrumors P6

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    Well, I've decided I can scrape by with the Naga on a game like Skyrim, but I'm going to need the Nostromo on games like SWTOR/GW2. What really burns is that for all intents and purposes, my 2 Belkin N52 Nostromos are dead in the water when it comes to Windows7. See the N52/W7 thread.

    The buttons on the Naga work, but it's too difficult for me to be pushing one of the 12 buttons on the side of the mouse while moving the cursor around the game window. It's simpler to have this functionality on the Nostromo, now Razer Nostromo, and keep a couple of commands on my 4 button trackball. That's what I'm gonna do. This will allow me to revert to my most favorite of input devices the MS Trackball Explorer of which I still have 2 functional models. :)
     

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