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Well said.

I think they made a mistake in removing the SD slot and maybe they should have kept a single standard USB, but it ACTUAL use, this just doesn't add up to any issue whatsoever.

This is the difference between READING about something and actual EXPERIENCE.

The same thing happened with my "built in" CD/DVD drives. Before I had the machines I complained, but once I had the newer machines I came to realize that I rarely used the drive. I STILL bought a superdrive...and now that almost never gets used. I have flash drives that do everything better.

Cheers,


Robert

Apple removed the glowing Apple logo because if you had a strong light source behind your screen you would get an Apple shaped shadow slap bang in the middle of your screen.
 
Apple removed the glowing Apple logo because if you had a strong light source behind your screen you would get an Apple shaped shadow slap bang in the middle of your screen.


Yeah, that would happen to me sometimes outdoors.

The new screen ALONE is worth buying this. It's so much brighter when needed.


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This thread title need to be fixed

"Real MBP Review" >>>>> "Real MBP Fanatical Fanboy Review"

It's more realistic and will keep people from thinking this is an honest and objective review thread.. LOL




My review is factual. There are things about the new MBP I don't like (missing SD and old USB), but they don't really add up to effecting my work in the least.

Actually using a device will tell you a LOT. And the hypocrisy here has been well exposed along with several balls-out lies. Some people just like to troll. They don't even know they're doing it at times.



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My review is factual. There are things about the new MBP I don't like (missing SD and old USB), but they don't really add up to effecting my work in the least.

Actually using a device will tell you a LOT. And the hypocrisy here has been well exposed along with several balls-out lies. Some people just like to troll. They don't even know they're doing it at times.
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Well maybe we can agree on something.. Yes using the device makes a difference and I do agree that people should at least try it... I mean Apple does have a very liberal return policy so someone has nothing to lose by trying it 1st hand.

I am overall happy with the TB base I have but I stand by my one and only serious gripe about it.. The price!

It's insane!

i5 CPU (and a year old version at that)
256GB SSD
8GB RAM

$1,800.00 before tax...

Insanity! Pure insanity!

I bought it (and overpaid for it in my opinion) because of macOS, continuity, handoff and because I like having the latest and greatest.. I do not see the value in the TB right now as it's pretty useless. Maybe in time and as more functionality come to it my thoughts on that will change..

Look, the new machines are fantastic.. Build quality above and beyond, I like the KB, I like the large trackpad and I like the new screen..

Don't overlook it's faults though. Some, not me, have serious issue with the removal of all the ports and do not want to use dongles. These are very valid complaints for some.. Some do not like the price and feel like they are getting taken to the bank with the new prices. Valid complaint in my opinion.

Some are upset by the max 16GB option. Not me but some are and to them its a valid complaint or reason to not buy.. You are focusing on your needs, wants and desires in this 'honest review' and those opinions are not in line with others..
 
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Well maybe we can agree on something.. Yes using the device makes a difference and I do agree that people should at least try it... I mean Apple does have a very liberal return policy so someone has nothing to lose by trying it 1st hand.

I am overall happy with the TB base I have but I stand by my one and only serious gripe about it.. The price!

It's insane!

Last years i5 CPU
256GB SSD
8GB RAM

$1,800.00 before tax...

Insanity! Pure insanity!

I bought it (and overpaid for it in my opinion) because of macOS, continuity, handoff and because I like having the latest and greatest.. I do not see the value in the TB right now as it's pretty useless. Maybe in time and as more functionality come to it my thoughts on that will change..

Look, the new machines are fantastic.. Build quality above and beyond, I like the KB, I like the large trackpad and I like the new screen..

Don't overlook it's faults though. Some, not me, have serious issue with the removal of all the ports and do not want to use dongles. These are very valid complaints for some.. Some do not like the price and feel like they are getting taken to the bank with the new prices. Valid complaint in my opinion.

Some are upset by the max 16GB option. Not me but some are and to them its a valid complaint or reason to not buy.. You are focusing on your needs, wants and desires in this 'honest review' and those opinions are not in line with others..



I totally get that the 16 GB limit is a valid issue. But the dongle thing is very silly. See my dongle horror thread.

You can't make the claim that the 2015 MacBooks are solid choices and somehow these new ones (which are better in most important respects) are not. The math doesn't work.

ALL MacBooks are crazy expensive!

The maxed out MacBook and MacBook Air are both nearly 1600.00, so that makes your new one a bargain considering that it's a superior machines.

Apple has ALWAYS charge as much as they possibly can.


R.
 
Don't overlook it's faults though. Some, not me, have serious issue with the removal of all the ports and do not want to use dongles. These are very valid complaints for some.. Some do not like the price and feel like they are getting taken to the bank with the new prices. Valid complaint in my opinion.

Some are upset by the max 16GB option. Not me but some are and to them its a valid complaint or reason to not buy.. You are focusing on your needs, wants and desires in this 'honest review' and those opinions are not in line with others..
I think the whole "you don't have one" argument is valid for the reasons you mention above. You don't really know how much the usb-c ports affect you until you use it regularly, same goes for the 16GB. Those of us that have these (including you) find that they don't really get in the way of workflow. In some cases like mine, the usb-c helps. The whole keyboard bashing is weird because everyone is saying it can take a couple full days or so to get used to it. Many grow to love them. Can't tell that at the store.

This is @CaptRB 's "honest review" of how he uses it in his work. People who make money with their computers probably have some credibility since money is at stake if you choose poorly. Fanboyism goes out the window if it costs you pay. I assume he went on the offensive with his wording because he's sick of hater trolls just lying or repeating verbatim criticisms that are unfounded like many of us. Some opinions are valid, but it was an attempt to balance the noise. I am often at the verge of writing a diatribe myself, telling everyone how much I love this MBP.

Anyway, the MBP clearly works for him. Why is it relevant that something like the usb-c has allegedly severely limited others when it doesn't him. And yes, these things are f'n expensive, but it's relative if it's used for work. In most cases, time costs much more than a tool like this over a short period of time.
 
@CaptRB Thoughts on editing photos with a 13" size screen vs the 15"?



The bigger screen is absolutely better, but no serious shooter is doing work on EITHER of these screens unless they have too. So a 4K monitor for about 500-1000 dollars is mandatory or you can add a new Imax 27 to your system.

So a 13" MBP with a good monitor makes more sense financially than getting the 15". I opted for the more portable system since the extra 2 inches just doesn't add much for me. For still work, they're both highly capable.


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I think the whole "you don't have one" argument is valid for the reasons you mention above. You don't really know how much the usb-c ports affect you until you use it regularly, same goes for the 16GB. Those of us that have these (including you) find that they don't really get in the way of workflow. In some cases like mine, the usb-c helps. The whole keyboard bashing is weird because everyone is saying it can take a couple full days or so to get used to it. Many grow to love them. Can't tell that at the store.

This is @CaptRB 's "honest review" of how he uses it in his work. People who make money with their computers probably have some credibility since money is at stake if you choose poorly. Fanboyism goes out the window if it costs you pay. I assume he went on the offensive with his wording because he's sick of hater trolls just lying or repeating verbatim criticisms that are unfounded like many of us. Some opinions are valid, but it was an attempt to balance the noise. I am often at the verge of writing a diatribe myself, telling everyone how much I love this MBP.

Anyway, the MBP clearly works for him. Why is it relevant that something like the usb-c has allegedly severely limited others when it doesn't him. And yes, these things are f'n expensive, but it's relative if it's used for work. In most cases, time costs much more than a tool like this over a short period of time.


Please write your review!

My next shoot pays for this MBP three times over. I'm excited that they finally have a better, brighter screen. I'm very happy about the better color. Yeah, you need to adapt to the keyboard, but if my father can, so can most folks. Does anyone remember the crying and panic in the streets when Apple abandoned standard keyboards for the chicklett? At that time people were saying they'd NEVER be able to work with it.


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I still have an Iomega Zip drive that uses a Parallel Port.. Does Apple make a dongle for it?

Yes I am joking about the dongle but I really do still have the Zip drive.. LOL
 

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I still have an Iomega Zip drive that uses a Parallel Port.. Does Apple make a dongle for it?

Yes I am joking about the dongle but I really do still have the Zip drive.. LOL



I have one of those too! They were so cool back in the day.

I really miss my TRS-80 Model 1 computer some days, but I miss my Atari 800 most of all.


Robert
 
The same thing happened with my "built in" CD/DVD drives. Before I had the machines I complained, but once I had the newer machines I came to realize that I rarely used the drive. I STILL bought a superdrive...and now that almost never gets used. I have flash drives that do everything better.

Cheers,


Robert

So you are saying that the superdrive that I ordered and just opened is never gonna be used? Come to think of it, I can't remember the last time I needed it in my old MBp. Crap. Oh well, if I didnt have it, I'm sure I'd need it in a pinch. What I should have done was wait until they have a USB-C version.
 
It is trough critics that one grows and improve, without critics and with just praises you will never become what you could really be.

For that reason, I don't trust people praising stuff just because they own them, most of the time they are trying to make themselves feel better, and justify to themselves what they bought!

I prefere critics, wich I don't take as definitive, I go an check myself if those "defects" affect my use scenario, but I am glad someone points them out, I might not have thought about that , and overlooked something that in the long run might be an issue.

People neet to understand the difference between complain and constructive criticism!

What is really unfortunate is that some people really do turn to forums to get consumers responses to things they are interested in buying. For the most part, I am better informed about products after reading several threads. However, this forum is particularly bad at creating "fake news like" posts. Believe it or not, there are other forums where members actually share their experiences with products and discuss there pros and cons without trying to destroy one another.

As for the new MacBook Pro, it is inevitable that people are going to have differing views about a product that forces many people in the same direction. If you use OS X, there are not a lot of hardware options. However, its always been that way. I remember my sister doing her dissertation on a little Macintosh color classic. Apple makes a design choice and throws it out there. The user base either goes with the changes or jumps off of the ship. I used the LC in graduate school and then I jumped ship until they came out with the intel based computers. At that point Windows was unbearable for me and I liked the design and functionality of the OS at that time. I have been with apple since that time, and will continue to stay unless another operating system comes out that I can tolerate better than Windows.

With all of that said, I do own the 15 inch MacBook Pro. I would need much more time before I could give my overall impression of the computer but I would like to share a few of my thoughts here:

1. I don't like the port options, and I don't like dongles, especially when working in tight spaces. I would love to be able to just stick in a USB drive or HDMI cord into my computer. Sometimes I carry my computer around the office or home and have to run back to my bag to get a dongle when needed. That's me, and Im not trying to project my dislike of the port options onto others. This is not the first time Apple has tried to push standards out there - like lightening ports -, but in making all of the ports a new standard that has not been broadly adopted, it might be their boldest attempt at it. I'm not returning the computer for reasons stated below so it is something I will have to live with.

2. I do not need the computing power of the 15 inch MacBook Pro, but my eyes and work flow do, so I needed to buy it. I do wish they would have a 2016 model 15 inch computer closer to the 13 inch specs and cost. It is what it is, so I will live with it. I tried a 13 inch with an external monitor but I use my computer in too many different locations for that to be a functional option.

3. I was surprised how fast I adapted to typing on this keyboard. I started off with a lot of errors but don't have any problems now. The only thing I dislike is that it is loud. I type in meetings and it is really noticeable to me and others. However, I am hoping it will become quieter over time.

4. I really like the screen resolution and color range. How much is still undecided because I have been doing mostly text work thus far. However, I did review some photos and watched a movie and enjoyed the difference.

5. I also love moving back to a 15 inch computer that is light enough to carry around from meeting to meeting or place to place. I moved to a 13inch because of weight and its nice to move back to a 15inch that is only half a pound heavier than the 13 inch I was using. This to me is worth its weight in gold. For those of us lugging our computer place to place, weight does make a big difference.

6. Touch Bar - I need an extensive "how and when to use it tutorial." I don't want to put down something I may not as of yet understand is brilliant. However, I don't like the time wasted looking down at it to figure out what it offers. I really wish the typing recommendations were on the screen where my eyes are located. Then I could use the touch pad to select a correction. I don't have much use for it yet. Hopefully that will change, but I don't miss the physical function keys at all, and much prefer the digital layout of them.

7. Price is a concern but it has always been that way. However, Macs also last a long time and do a good job of working with newer OS's as they come out than has been my experience with windows computers. I started buying the Mac mini's for some of my programs with youth. They are more cost effective and easily put away when not in use. A great Mac options too many people pass up in my opinion.
 
This may suit you, which is great!! I am glad you are enjoying your new machine. However for many users, this is a disappointing upgrade and not what we wanted to see. I am very disappointed and not to sure what I am going to upgrade to. This new MacBook Pro does not suit me or my needs very well, which is a shame.

I have a 13" 2014 rMBP with the same specs as your 2013 (2.6/8/256).

I've been using a base 13" nTB for the past few weeks. In comparison to my 2014, tt's better in every conceivable way -- screen, speed (processor/gpu/ssd), keyboard, form factor/weight, battery life, etc. The only thing I can imagine one would complain about is the port situation.

What is not there that precludes you from upgrading your 2013?
 
I admit I was a little disappointed when I heard they removed the lighted logo but the new chrome apple looks like jewelry against the matte case. Its pretty friggin good looking; very classic. And the thing is so thin that I see it was an excellent sacrifice. I'll be a little bummed if it scratches easily...

See how objective I can be in my posts? I'm honest and I accept that there are sacrifices in design for the sake of other advancements. These sycophants that indulge in criticizing the newer technology are not honest. The touch bar is going to be huge. How anyone could say otherwise is ignorant in that they haven't spent time with it and have no vision for the app developer potential.


I think the new logo is far, far nicer: I always used a case previously, because I always thought the glowing Apple pretty gaudy and tacky.
 
This may suit you, which is great!! I am glad you are enjoying your new machine. However for many users, this is a disappointing upgrade and not what we wanted to see. I am very disappointed and not to sure what I am going to upgrade to. This new MacBook Pro does not suit me or my needs very well, which is a shame.
To echo @Beau10, it is general, unspecific statements that get troll accusations flying. I really do hope you come back to this trainwreck of a thread to elaborate. On another occasion, I kept probing a clear troll about these general statements about "not meeting my needs" and "being an overall disappointment". It became really clear that he just wanted a 2015 refreshed with the updated processor and GPU. Since we know this won't/didn't happen, he was bashing the '16 because it was redesigned - at all.
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I think the new logo is far, far nicer: I always used a case previously, because I always thought the glowing Apple pretty gaudy and tacky.
Nice! Even when OP has a con, you have to disagree with him! jk. I like the new logo too. Getting tired of seeing all these luminescent Apple logos everywhere. Cleaner.
 
Nice! Even when OP has a con, you have to disagree with him! jk. I like the new logo too. Getting tired of seeing all these luminescent Apple logos everywhere. Cleaner.

Heh, don't push me too far... the colour options and the new logo are two of the only things I think are going in the right direction ;)
 
One thing I don't see mentioned very often, and it's what I am using to semi justify the price in my mind is that the 2015 base was $1299 for the 128GB drive size. Upgrading the 2015 to the 256GB size moved the price to $1499... Since the 2016 comes stock with 256GB drive the upgraded 2015 price should be used in comparison...

2015 13" with 8GB RAM and 256 HD = $1499
2016 13" nTB with 8GB RAM and 256 HD = $1499

Is the base machine worth the same? Or is it worth $300 more with the TB? That's really the main question I have at the moment..
 
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One thing I don't see mentioned very often, and it's what I am using to justify the price is that the 2015 base was $1299 for the 128GB drive size. Upgrading the 2015 to the 256GB size moved the price to $1499... Since the 2016 comes stock with 256GB drive the upgraded 2015 price should be used in comparison...


SSD prices in the last 18 months have collapsed though, and at a far swifter pace than that price difference.
 
SSD prices in the last 18 months have collapsed though, and at a far swifter pace than that price difference.

I agree sort of.. But, the SSD's in the new machines are blazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzing fast though and are an upgrade over the 2015's!

I do not think the TB is worth the $300 price though.. $100 sure... $200 maybe... $300 nope!

I opted for the TB version for the extra ports along with the modest CPU and RAM upgrades and not for the TB.. Right now to me it's a gimmick.. Hopefully it will evolve over time and change my mind about it..
 
The Yoga 910 I purchased went to my son when his PC died and needed replacing.. This info is also found on these forums so you really need to work on your stalking game..

Also, had you stalked properly, you would have seen where I explained why I purchased the MacBook Pro even though I believe that I over paid for it..

Do you not think it's sad that you harass, put down, call names, insult and stalk people who do not share your point of view??

Lastly, I never said a word about the Apple logo so I have no clue where that portion of your stalking related rant came from..

----->>> Meds! Seek them out and for the love of god please take them once prescribed...

Obviously I did not stalk you...if you are insulted, I can't understand why...I figured it was an honest question. After all, I am the one who told you it is alright if the MacBook was not for you. I happened to remember you had said you bought the yoga...and honestly thought you liked it. Sorry I did not stalk you, and find it out for myself. I just remembered your tag and all because we had a discussion back and forth in another thread where you were upset the MacBook was not for you. So imagine my surprise that you now own one....especially since you are still not happy about it.

I did not call you any names in my post so not sure where your rant came from.

Others in the this thread have said stuff about the logo.

I do have the right to my opinion to you know...those of us that like the new MacBooks and come to a Mac site, do have the right to say we do and argue our viewpoint too.

Sorry you felt I was stalking you or harassing you, you do seem to post in a lot of threads(quite a few I don't read since I as you say did a poor job finding the info)..I would think if you come here to tell a bunch of Mac users how much of a waste of money their choice (and I guess now yours too) in computers is, you would expect, even relish in the discussions. Otherwise why post such an opinion in a forum full of Mac users?
 
Real MBP = cMBP
Haha. That's the first time I've heard that one, granted I'm new here. I have a cMBP, at least I think my '09 qualifies? It was/is the best laptop I've owned to date. Been through a few windows laptops here and there and an old white MB. But this new '16 is quickly going to surpass my '09 as my favorite. Only the 7 years of durability is questionable at this point. Otherwise, it's better in almost every way. Real question, what do you love about your cMBP and why is it "real"?
 
I agree with you, I'm not talking about critics from people who owns the machine, that's totally reasonable and necessary, I was just talking about people who hasn't even tried the machine and just complains without testing it (we have a lot of these in this forum). It just doesn't make sense.

So you need to taste poop to know it doesn't taste well? Are you trying every MLM out there too to know if it is a scam? It just doesn't make sense to you? I wonder why... Some people are able to reason and draw parallels and I guess people like you, need to pay to learn each time.
 
So you need to taste poop to know it doesn't taste well? Are you trying every MLM out there too to know if it is a scam? It just doesn't make sense to you? I wonder why... Some people are able to reason and draw parallels and I guess people like you, need to pay to learn each time.

Those are some great examples. So I guess by extension you will marry based on an online written personality profile instead of actually getting to know the person?
 
There are legitimate criticisms against the new MBP. Not all those who complain are whining or too poor to purchase the machine, and falling back on that argument every time someone critiques it is simply not constructive.

While I quite like my new 13" (w/ touch bar), I'm seriously concerned for its longevity.. I've already had keyboard issues. If you're happy with it, then that's great. Similarly, it's fine if it's not the computer for you. I'm going to keep mine despite my concerns, but I can completely understand if someone is wary of purchasing the rMBP in light of recent developments regarding the keyboard, graphics card, battery, etc. On the whole, is the new rMBP a solid computer? Yes, most definitely. I don't think it deserves all of the criticism it initially received. Is it revolutionary, or without its faults? Most certainly not.
 
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