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Real Push?

So push on a webmail account is not likely.. I mean, have my own server with webmail using something like roundcube or other email readers to view it is NOT going to have push.. I get that

BUT what about apps.. Now the thing that really SHOULD be talked about is (hopefully) the ability for apps like Skype and AIM to use Apples push servers to send notifications to you as something is happening (like receiving a message or phone call) THIS is what should be available in the new release.. meaning app developers have likely come up with an update that will release the same day as the new OS that will allow push..

This was not available to the developers before because..??? Apple didnt make the servers available? Apple didnt allow it in the old OS even though they announced it a year ago?

If i understand this correctly.. its not really he OS that is holding back PUSH but the access for Apples Push Servers correct?? I mean, if they have them up and running and tested.. then technically we shouldnt HAVE to wait for the release of 3.0 right?? Our phones CAN do it.. they just dont
 
lindsayanng said:
So push on a webmail account is not likely.. I mean, have my own server with webmail using something like roundcube or other email readers to view it is NOT going to have push.. I get that

BUT what about apps.. Now the thing that really SHOULD be talked about is (hopefully) the ability for apps like Skype and AIM to use Apples push servers to send notifications to you as something is happening (like receiving a message or phone call) THIS is what should be available in the new release.. meaning app developers have likely come up with an update that will release the same day as the new OS that will allow push..

This was not available to the developers before because..??? Apple didnt make the servers available? Apple didnt allow it in the old OS even though they announced it a year ago?

If i understand this correctly.. its not really he OS that is holding back PUSH but the access for Apples Push Servers correct?? I mean, if they have them up and running and tested.. then technically we shouldnt HAVE to wait for the release of 3.0 right?? Our phones CAN do it.. they just dont
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Again, you're confusing push email with push notifications. The technology is already there for push email, it's just up to the providers to allow it.

The technology for push notifications is added on 3.0 so now, as long as developers decide to update their apps to use it, we will see apps, like AIM, using push notifications.
 
No i'm not confusing.. I'm saying if i have a webmail account on a server i own, chances are they will not support push..

Then I asked.. WHY wasnt this allowed in 2.1?? I dont see this as an OS issue but just that the servers werent ready. 2.1 was supposed to have come WITH push capability.. so theres no REAL reason we would have to wait for 3.0 to come out.. correct
 
lindsayanng said:
No i'm not confusing.. I'm saying if i have a webmail account on a server i own, chances are they will not support push..

Then I asked.. WHY wasnt this allowed in 2.1?? I dont see this as an OS issue but just that the servers werent ready. 2.1 was supposed to have come WITH push capability.. so theres no REAL reason we would have to wait for 3.0 to come out.. correct
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I'm afraid you are getting confused. Push Email on the iPhone is completely separate from the new push notification framework that's coming with 3.0
Push Email is implemented in 3 different ways on the iPhone: You have Exchange ActiveSync for Exchange Server, Yahoo Push for Yahoo and MobileMe Push for MobileMe.

Each of those is a separate technology and is implemented in it's own way on the iPhone.
What 3.0 brings is a standard framework for applications to push notifications to your phone. These notifications consist of a short message and / or a badge number to display on the application icon: They then display an alert to the user (or update the badge count) who can open the relevant application. This is only a framework and still requires work by the app developers to support it, so existing apps won't suddenly start pushing.

It wasn't available in 2.1 because the frameworks weren't available in the iPhone OS, it is a completely new framework and completely separate from any existing push mechanisms on the iPhone today.
 
I still don't get why Gmail doesn't support push email on the iPhone, I thought we'd get it last year a few months after the 3G was released; they don't seem to be in any rush and I can't see the release of OS 3.0 changing that.
 
see.. You say that the new OS will support push on apps by showing a badge or short message.. YESSS, exactly what I wanted..

My only question is.. I thought this was promised and built into the OS 2.1 when they announced PUSH (they did announce push for not only email but apps to) which means that 2.1 and higher SHOULD support this.. When they came up with 2.2 and there was still no push for apps, they didnt say it was because the OS would not support it.. they said it was because the servers werent ready.. they were not prepared for the influx of users that would bog down their servers.. so they spent a year beefing up the servers.. The OS shouldnt really change how push is handled then..

Unless I am remembering the entire 2.1 release wrong.. because they did say that 2.1 WOULD support push.. which means the os has supported it all along.. there just werent enough servers..
 
Yes, Apple promised push notifications a while back. They were shocked by how many developers were interested in it, and had to go back to the drawing board to make it better.

A lot of us thought Apple had quietly dropped the whole thing :)

Then for the past month or so, developers were allowed access to the servers, and Apple themselves gave out a sample app for developers to try on their phones.
 
So i was right.. technically its not an OS thing, but a proprietary API thing giving you access to the servers.. So TECHNICALLY if apple opened up the servers to the public and developers release their apps, these apps with push COULD work on 2.1 and higher correct?

It really has NOTHING to do with 3.0
 
lindsayanng said:
So i was right.. technically its not an OS thing, but a proprietary API thing giving you access to the servers.. So TECHNICALLY if apple opened up the servers to the public and developers release their apps, these apps with push COULD work on 2.1 and higher correct?

It really has NOTHING to do with 3.0
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No, it has everything to do with 3.0 because only 3.0 has operating system support for the push notification framework. It is not possible to use the push notification APIs in a 2.x application and 2.x doesn't know how to process them.
 
well then maybe i completely misunderstood the 2.1 release because EVERYONE i spoke to said that there was going to be PUSH AVAILABLE FOR APPS and you would THINK that if apple says this, and its being reported, that the OS would actually SUPPORT it.. and NOT just for email.. THAT was the whole reason people were pissed when it NEVER HAPPENED>

Are you a developer??? because none of this makes ANY sense to me. There WAS supposed to be push notifications for APPS available in 2.1.. they announced it.. THEN they announced that they couldnt do it NOT because of the OS, but because of the servers and the influx of people wanting to use it.

What you are saying makes NO SENSE.. why would they open up push to developers to work with and not have hte OS support it.. if they DID open up push to devs and then decline the ability to devs back in June of last year simple because they had too many devs wanting to program for it.. that MEANS that teh tech was there in the software to do it.. they just needed to build bigger servers.
 
lindsayanng said:
well then maybe i completely misunderstood the 2.1 release because EVERYONE i spoke to said that there was going to be PUSH AVAILABLE FOR APPS and you would THINK that if apple says this, and its being reported, that the OS would actually SUPPORT it.. and NOT just for email.. THAT was the whole reason people were pissed when it NEVER HAPPENED>

Are you a developer??? because none of this makes ANY sense to me. There WAS supposed to be push notifications for APPS available in 2.1.. they announced it.. THEN they announced that they couldnt do it NOT because of the OS, but because of the servers and the influx of people wanting to use it.

What you are saying makes NO SENSE.. why would they open up push to developers to work with and not have hte OS support it.. if they DID open up push to devs and then decline the ability to devs back in June of last year simple because they had too many devs wanting to program for it.. that MEANS that teh tech was there in the software to do it.. they just needed to build bigger servers.
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Yes, I am a developer. The push APIs were available in early betas of 2.1, but were removed before the final release and added back in with the 3.0 betas
 
hmm.. how hard is it to not read what you dont like?? how hard is it to not care?? its a lot easier to not care than it is to get worked up about caps.
 
Well, we obviously do care since we bothered to reply to your thread to help you with your question. But it is annoying to see random words in caps since it's like you're shouting at us (yes, caps on the internet is the same as shouting). If you want to emphasize some words you should use italics, not caps lock.
 
She does this every thread. I've mentioned before that it's the equivalent of shouting but she just yells back some un-provoked attack and then forgets about it. I mean, look at her post history. People always mention it to her, yet she still uses caps in like 90% of her posts. She was less than civil to me a while ago in a thread about wallet apps on the App Store and it just left a bad taste in my post for the OP.
 
I think it would be cool if the weather app icon would change with whatever the conditions are in you settings. Like if it was raining and 58 degrees, the icon would change the sun symbol to rain and the 73 degrees thats always there to 58.
 
Been trying it today

Apps have to be re-programmed to make use of the Push API. - Third party applications will be using it - but they have not appeared on the App Store yet.
I am waiting for a Push version of the Skype app.

The push version of Aim appeared today for developers. Been trying it - and it does exactly what they said it would do.

You can exit the app - any incoming IM messages appear immediately. The delay between sending the message and it appearing through push is less than a second.

C.
 
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