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codycartoon said:
now seems like a perfect time to either buy ridiculous amounts of apple stock or sell ridiculous amounts of apple stock.

I will sit and watch with my 50 shares.

-cody

That's the best stock advice I've heard in a long time :D

Remember that the mac faithful (read: MacRumors readers) are a small, small fraction of the world's population. Steve may be making a play for the other half, er 99.8%
 
Mr Maui said:
Apple is still here ... still making money ... and still the best ... 'nuff said!!

I can tell how much you love Apple by your signature:
An Apple a day ...
Guess this IS NOT the day!!!

3 GHz in a year! <or two ... or three>. No really!!! I promise. Hey, have I, Steve Jobs, ever let you, my humble, ever-adoring public and most loyal of little people, down? <well, besides that ... and that ... and maybe that, too ... but ...>
 
yvovandoorn said:
No but I bought into the platform, not just the computer. My plan was to have all my computers on the PPC platform by the end of 06. Hell I just finished convincing my bro the other day to get an iBook. With one the reasons I used was that it was PPC cpu and not a x86 which needs a NX bit to not have buffer overflows created by software on the system.

Well that's a fair complaint, but the important thing to keep in mind is that not even CNet or the previous WSJ articles have actually said that Apple will use an x86 CPU, so it is entirely possible that Intel could produce a PPC or PPC-compatible chip (if this is true at all).
 
dontmatter said:
whew. What a rumor. Would macs become virus ridden on account of it?
Viruses affect the software, not the hardware. The software may dictate what some hardware operations are (i.e. erasing hard drives, etc), but the virus is written to affect the software.
 
codycartoon said:
now seems like a perfect time to either buy ridiculous amounts of apple stock or sell ridiculous amounts of apple stock.

I think that you could substitute the word "apple" with "any" and that statement could be made at any time in the stock market world. :p ;)
 
So another 2 yrs before I can buy a new system made with intel. 2 more years before all the software ports over. Jeeez. I am going to be an old man before Apple finally gets its ***** together.
 
artifex said:
I can tell how much you love Apple by your signature:
I haven't owned or worked on anything but Apple since 1984, and can't imagine that I will until Apple no longer exists. Guess you're not catching the HUMOR in the signature.
 
Mr Maui said:
Viruses affect the software, not the hardware. The software may dictate what some hardware operations are (i.e. erasing hard drives, etc), but the virus is written to affect the software.

Also, many viruses depend on Windows-specific features to spread and do their damage. For example, many collect addresses from the Outlook contact lists in order to determine who to email themselves to.
 
If, according to CNet, a PowerMac doesn't switch to Intel until 2007, what happens with a PowerMac between now and then? Could they update to PCI Express? Would anyone want to make PowerPC PCIe graphics cards for a dead end PowerMac? Would high end users want to wait that long?

Hopefully this rumor is incorrect, and the suprise announcement will be that by seriously underclocking a 3 Ghz 970MP, the power consumption becomes low enough to put a dual core G5 into a powerbook.
 
admanimal said:
Also, many viruses depend on Windows-specific features to spread and do their damage. For example, many collect addresses from the Outlook contact lists in order to determine who to email themselves to.
Exactly, but still software dictated. The previous post questioned Apple being more susceptible to viruses if they switch to Intel. At least that is how I read it, thus my comment.
 
yvovandoorn said:
I think I should just wait till Monday, but this news terrifies me. I love using the Mac and the PPC platform... **throws tantrum** I just don't want Intel!!

It's possible Intel will be tapped to make Power architecture chips for Apple, or something. I have no problem with that. I don't have a problem with them using XScale for some things, either, and it'd be great for the rumored tablet, actually. But if they're going to go to an x86 based architecture, they should at least use AMD instead, since they're already using HyperTransport. I know I've mentioned it before, but it's a big deal when talking about multiple CPUs and/or multiple cores.

Hey, if you really feel bad about it, I'm a poor college kid, wanna give me your machine? :) You can give it to me in 2 years, if you want. I'll wait, because I'll still find it useful :)
 
DavidCar said:
Hopefully this rumor is incorrect, and the suprise announcement will be that by seriously underclocking a 3 Ghz 970MP, the power consumption becomes low enough to put a dual core G5 into a powerbook.

Yay! A Powerbook G5 rumor sprouted from this dreary topic. We are eternal optimists :)

[Edit] Ok, it's pretty much guaranteed that a Powerbook G5 rumor will sprout here in the forums from ANY rumor ;)
 
Mr Maui said:
As fun as this thread has been, I'm heading off to rest. Need my strength to fight the beast. Besides, this thread will probably be 40 pages long by morning. After all. What else has there been prior to WWDC. :D

Rumors of dual core G5s , for starters.
 
swissmann said:
So if they switched to an intel chip in it's current form wouldn't every bit of software from all companies have to be rewritten? This sounds like a nightmare transition.

No, a simple recompile will do it - even for carbon apps. It's already been proven for Cocoa - which ran on x86 long before it ran on PowerPC
 
fabsgwu said:
Yay! A Powerbook G5 rumor sprouted from this dreary topic. We are eternal optimists :)

[Edit] Ok, it's pretty much guaranteed that a Powerbook G5 rumor will sprout here in the forums from ANY rumor ;)
I hope they don't announce a Powerbook G5 on Monday or the Powerbook G6 rumors will have to start. ;)
 
What's on your dock?

-Jeff said:
What Mac-only applications are out there? I know Apple has a ton of them, but I can't think of any third-party apps that are Mac-only. If they move to x86 processor architecture, the PC versions (x86) of existing applications would be easy to run because they are compiled for x86, correct?

If that were the case, Apple would not loose their own software developers because of the transition, so no Mac-only applications would be in jeopardy.

...And it could open up the PC only apps (and viruses, unfortunately) to the Mac platform.

There are a lot of people on these boards that are smarter than I am. Does this theory hold water?

Let's see? In my dock there is:

BBedit - the most amazing text editor made.
Transmit - an excellent FTP client
Xyle scope - a mind boggling application used to analyze CSS on web sites.
SQL4XJ - a GUI based app for accessing databases

Just to name a few...and that's just my dock, there are many many more apps out there that are excellent and better than anything in the Windblows world. BBedit is my favorite though :)
 
Mr Maui said:
Exactly, but still software dictated. The previous post questioned Apple being more susceptible to viruses if they switch to Intel. At least that is how I read it, thus my comment.

Yup I'm agreeing. I think back in the day, viruses were more hardware oriented, i.e. they were often programs written in assembly which would make themselves resident in memory and then do something bad like erase your hard disk at a certain date and time. They still depended somewhat on the OS, but they were lower-level programs and thus could potentially affect computers with the same hardware but different software with minor changes.

These days the focus is more on things like performing DoS attacks on web servers and facilitating phishing schemes and whatnot, which are all software related as you pointed out.
 
fabsgwu said:
[Edit] Ok, it's pretty much guaranteed that a Powerbook G5 rumor will sprout here in the forums from ANY rumor ;)

You catch on quick. ;) For the entire time I've been on MacRumors it feels like I've been hearing about G5 PowerBooks...
 
Mr Maui said:
I haven't owned or worked on anything but Apple since 1984, and can't imagine that I will until Apple no longer exists. Guess you're not catching the HUMOR in the signature.

I guess not. Let's be friends :) Now go to bed! :)
 
dontmatter said:
whew. What a rumor. Would macs become virus ridden on account of it?

Actually, x86 COULD be bad for Mac security, from what (very little) I understand.

We wouldn't be "virus ridden" because current viruses are still Windows-only (or Linux etc.) and because OS X still has a great, secure design.

But apparently, the CPU DOES have a role to play in the insecurity of Windows. PowerPC is safer as a chip--and thus, Linux on PPC is safer than Linux on Intel. Maybe that would be partly true for OS X as well.

See:
http://www.cio-today.com/story.xhtml?story_id=12100002EAEW

(There was an article with more detail on the issue, but this one at least mentions it.)
 
The Party at Jobs house was rockin. Everyone was having a great time, U2 was jammin then suddenly Jobs spots IBM Executive that heads 970 development standing on the diving board in his 3 piece suit peeing into the pool as he downs a zima.

Jobs yells out "YO, IBM A$$hole"... Band stops with a screech, everyone stops talking and stares. IBM Exec gives Jobs the bird. Crowd makes funny eww sound as Jobs jaw drops to floor. Cut over to Intel Exec making his way through crowd on over to Jobs with Champagne in hand for him.

Deal made. CNET dude sees the whole thing. End of story.
 
Got a question...

Will someone who really knows their stuff tell me if this is possible:

=Apple builds x86 boxes that can run Windows.
=Transition of OSX to intel macs (without support for 3rd party boxes, which is what will most likely happen anyway)
=Then, the mac double-boots both Windows and OSX and allows an Expose-like switch between the GUIs.
=Finally, a program like Synergy http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/ allows easy file-swapping between the two - hit a button, both windows shrink, drag and drop files between.

Seems to me this is the way to kill Windows, is it not? Really, a dream come true: OSX/PowerMac with Half-Life when you want it.
 
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