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mannybianco said:
If you would buy a PPC Mac on the day the platform was retired, then
a) you have way too much money and reason plays no part in your buying decisions
b) you are completely obsessed, again past all reason

As for my demands, well, I'm the f***ing customer. I get to demand stuff or they dont get my money. They only have a monopoly on OSX, not computing. I run both windows and OSX, windows is a necessity, OSX is a luxury.
All my software works fine on my G5, would it suddenly not work just because they released new machines with other processors? I don't think so...
If you demand the iPod to play WMA files (you know it would be easily done) does that mean that Apple will have to meet your demands, just because you're the (no need to swear) customer? NO! Go elsewhere, there are other music players for that!
 
psycho bob said:
If your going to go x86/x64 and really want the best then you think different and go with AMD. They make the best processors in their class fullstop, The Intel offerings run hotter then the latest G5's are supposed to do. The only reason as others have stated for going Intel is if they will be making custom chips for Apple, their large market share and vast resources would probably make them the most competitive cost wise in such a scenario.

What most people see to have missed though is any migration to a differnet platform would either require emulation of exisiting software or new software altogether. This may be exceptable for individual users but for businesses and scientific institiutions this costs seriously big bucks or has performance penalties. Scientific institutions didn't buy the G5 for OS X they bought it for it's cost/performance. For all those who knock the G5, up until the release of dual core CPU's it's RISC architecture was the one to have for certain professions, it is a fast chip. OS X is good but Windows isn't as bad as everyone makes out, not for workstations anyway. The old fall back is that you will get viruses and spyware most businesses run behind hardware firewalls and sensitive machines aren't even connected to the internet. The incentive to stick with apple if they go x86 if you are a business user is a lot less, why not by a Dell or better yet build one yourself and run linux.

Even a customised x86 job which would allow apple to control the use of OS X would mean that apple would try to keep their higher price points and for what; an identical machine to ones you could by from a PC maker except this one runs OS X. I honestly feel that moving chip makers is fine but only if you make the same kind of chips, people talk about porting the OS but that is only a small part of it. You then have to migrate your entire user base and all the software that goes with it. PPC/RISC is a great architecture, clock for clock it is superior to x86 with the right code we've seen that.

Maybe apple needs to start thinking differently, give there customers more for their money and perhaps actually talk to them and get some feedback. People who game or use a mac for office may rejoice at this news business needs reassurance. There are technologies out there (don't argue with the next bit it is just an example not me saying they can use this or that) that are faster if they choose to use them, we have the much fabled Cell, IBM's own POWER 5 design or maybe pay Cray a call that would be interesting :D

I could understand apple jumping ship during the days of the G4 Powermac but the G5 has real promise. I could only see apple jumping ship either as a way to make IBM do something or because IBM can't do anything about the situation. Although the chips in the latest consoles are not G5's they do show that IBM can make such chips so aren't behind technologically. The POWER 5 has used multiple cores for a long time, IBM can and in many ways for high end CPU design still are leaders. I think this is more likely a threat on apple's part or just general rumour mill stirrings based on a promise made stupidly a few years back.

Yes.....apple if you need to go with one of the "PC" cpus the go with AMD They are much better ;) Or best....get AMD to make PPC cpus for you :D :D :D
 
mannybianco said:
This is why i think an intel powermac should also be able to boot into windows. How could that possibly harm Apple - youd have already bought the hardware and the OS from them.

How could that possibly harm Apple? How about: everyone stops developping for OS X? Why would they need to?

This would be suicide, that's for sure!
 
riversky said:
OS X software will be easy to port because FreeBSD runs on X86 anyways so it is very, very, easy to port and older software with the Intel Dual Cores can run an emulator program very effectively!

It will be a good move long term.

That's actually probably fairly true. You can compile most Linux *BSD apps in OS X without a ton of work, since the libraries are there and the GCC compiler is used for both architectures. I would think that if the Carbon/Cocoa APIs were all available that GCC would compile most OS X apps onto an x86 platform without much trouble.

What would suck is if you had to rebuy the software you already owned. Hopefully if this comes true, Apple will somehow require that software upgrades be available at no/very little cost.

I s'pose it doesn't really matter what CPU it runs, it just seems like Apple is finally getting a decent foothold in the consumer mind, and a switch like this could be harmful, if it makes the computing experience more difficult for the end user.

What I think is likely is that they launch a line of tablet/PDA hybrid type machines that use the XScale chip, perhaps some new, very fast, version of it that Intel has licensed exclusively to Apple for the first year or two of it's production. It would they use completely different software than a PC or Mac anyways, and there would be no transition pains, or any sort of outcry from the Mac community.
 
Ok...so, the news hits on monday, and my Macs hit eBay.

I'm not going to deal with a platform that keeps changing it's foundation. But this is still a rumor, and eBay is just bookmarked.

So...how many of you guys will head in another direction if Apple decides to just plain and simple cease supporting the products they're building at the moment? Will you switch to Linux, Windows, or wait it out and blunder on with Mac throough some quite obvious turmoil?
 
Let's just wait....

....till Steve provides us an explanation, if he will announce this at the WWDC.

Personally, I don't care what CPU is in the box, as long as it keeps my OS/X running, stable and secure. (And faster in the future just to keep up with the more advanced technolgies) But hey, that's just me.....

One thing, I have to say, it is crazy that for even viewing full HD, we need to buy a PowerMac that runs at least a dual processor 2.5Ghz to make it work without any hesitation. That will set me back approx. $2500. So, if this will make it possible to drop the prices of all Apple hardware, I am all for it.
 
MarcelV said:
....till Steve provides us an explanation, if he will announce this at the WWDC.

Personally, I don't care what CPU is in the box, as long as it keeps my OS/X running, stable and secure. (And faster in the future just to keep up with the more advanced technolgies) But hey, that's just me.....

One thing, I have to say, it is crazy that for even viewing full HD, we need to buy a PowerMac that runs at least a dual processor 2.5Ghz to make it work without any hesitation. That will set me back approx. $2500. So, if this will make it possible to drop the prices of all Apple hardware, I am all for it.
Well, a single G5 1.8 GHz is recommended for 720p, and dual G5 2.0 GHz for 1080p.
It looked all fine on my 2.0 GHz G5 iMac.
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/hdgallery/recommendations.html
 
B-52 Macer said:
Mac OS 9 -> X could be regarded as recent, maybe? :confused:
pffff, it's evolution for god sake. Something had to change sometime, besides, OS X has been around for years now.

Who cares what's under the hood, so long as it's fast, and the supplier can deliver on promises & quantities.
 
Originally Posted by magi.sys
"Well, it this is true it's a sad day for Apple. I'll be making the move to OpenSolaris or Linux."

kirk26 said:
Goodbye, you won't be missed. :D


I agree with this sentiment. MacOS is still MacOS whether or not it is running on PPC or Pentium. I would prefer PPC--just because I think competition is good, but given the inability of IBM or Freescale to keep up with the joneses, I can understand Job's frustration.

Now--this all may just be hoopla on Apple's part to light a fire under IBM/Freescale--but if not, I have no problem buying Pentium D or (better yet) Pentium-M. I own a Pentium M notebook and I think it's a pretty sweet chip.

Heck I've already owned 3 different chips: 6502 [II+], 68030 [LC], G4[12"], what's a fourth?
 
blumie607 said:
Is it just me, or is there something wrong here? Didn't Apple get most of the PPC processors from Motorola (now Freescale)? Wasn't the G5 the first chip that was from IBM?

If that is true, then maybe it partially discredits the source. CNET always likes trying to find "iPod killers" and the like so maybe they are just having a little fun. Well, I guess we'll all have to wait 2-3 more days to find out from el Steve.

Nope, Apple used IBM chips in most of the later G3 machines in the from of the PPC750/FX/GX/CX - it's just that IBM didn't develop an AltiVec capable 32-bit PowerPC chip for Apple to call the 'G4' until long after Motorola were supplying them.
 
shompa said:
If X86:
Lets hope Apple ditches BIOS and uses its own Bootprom.

Using its own bootprom would give the 2 great advantages:
1) Its better (not limited like 640K and all that crap)

Wow, when was the last time you used a PC?
 
edesignuk said:
pffff, it's evolution for god sake. Something had to change sometime, besides, OS X has been around for years now.

Who cares what's under the hood, so long as it's fast, and the supplier can deliver on promises & quantities.
I agree, but that was all I could think of!

And I think if Apple wants to go for Intel, they will have a really good reason. And I am certain that they will make the changeover as smooth as possible.
 
Yvan256 said:
How could that possibly harm Apple? How about: everyone stops developping for OS X? Why would they need to?

This would be suicide, that's for sure!


Im not so sure. How would the situation be any different to having an intel x86 powermac at all? The only difference would be that windows would be able to run on a funky looking machine, if you so desired. Hasnt the point of apple been that its the software thats better, first and foremost? I suppose its the ultimate confidence test - all other things being equal (which they would be) - would you run xp or osx?

I think it would go some way to spread osx, as the pain barrier in the switch would be dramatically reduced. If you got OSX going on it and (for some unfathomable reason) didnt like it, you could carry on using windows. Nothing lost. Goes from a case of why try OSX, to why not?
 
I'm fine with this if it'll let me get a Mac laptop that will compete with PC laptops that cost 2/3 of the price. Not that I don't enjoy using my PowerBook, but it's a bit sad that my $500 PC bests it in pretty much any heavy computing application.

MP
 
Call me old-fashioned and an ancient Mac user (at my near-death age of 18), but this would hurt me more emotionally. For years Apple has been saying that their processors are faster than those at Intel. Anyone remember the ads with the burnt Intel man? I wouldn't want a different processor in my computer than one that is a PowerPC and is from IBM or Motorola. I wouldn't buy another Mac if the switch over to Intel is to occur.

But I doubt it will occur. Apple has invested way too much into the PPC to just dump it now. There's been over a decade of development that would now be worthless to Apple. And Steve knows that Intels aren't going to end up that much faster in the future unless they use some sort of hardcore liquid cooling that's even more complex than the G5's.
 
Platform said:
Yes.....apple if you need to go with one of the "PC" cpus the go with AMD They are much better ;) Or best....get AMD to make PPC cpus for you :D :D :D

Since IBM fabricate AMD's CPUs, they'd be back where they started ;)
 
Xtreme said:
My oppinions, is that if Apple switches to Intel, it will be to Itanium..

The Itanium is a failure because it is much too expensive for the performance it has. And there is nothing to put into a laptop. So I higly doubt that Apple would even think about this!
 
mannybianco said:
Im not so sure. How would the situation be any different to having an intel x86 powermac at all? The only difference would be that windows would be able to run on a funky looking machine, if you so desired. Hasnt the point of apple been that its the software thats better, first and foremost? I suppose its the ultimate confidence test - all other things being equal (which they would be) - would you run xp or osx?

I think it would go some way to spread osx, as the pain barrier in the switch would be dramatically reduced. If you got OSX going on it and (for some unfathomable reason) didnt like it, you could carry on using windows. Nothing lost. Goes from a case of why try OSX, to why not?

No. This would mean that Apple boxes would now be able to run both OS X and Windows, and so companies would stop making OS X versions of their Windows software. Why make two versions if Apple boxes can run the Windows one?

Also, it would still require people to buy an Apple box to "try OS X", and that box would still be more expensive than generic beige boxes (no, do NOT start quoting prices and such, regular folks DON'T do that - they only look at the computer's sticker price and included gear).
 
Let's see what happens...

I think at apple they might be crazy but not dumb.
It's maybe possible that Intel working on some ppc platform, or intel processors are going to be installed into a multimedia iPod or something like that (as it was before with newton, it had a StrongArm processor made by Intel... So apple is not new to intel processors in their productions...)
Let's see what is going to happen, there's also another fact, is that apple cannot accept any other ransoms from sw producers (as adobe for instance...) or lagging (like Motorola, and with the G5 production IBM...).
A computer company today must have serious and reliable hw and sw suppliers, otherwise lot of $ fly somewhere else, specially nowadays.

I also think that move to an X86 processor would be a suicidal-action but let's wait and see.

see you.
E.
 
artifex said:
Texas Instruments?

Sun has not been mentioned I think :)

BTW: Of course Itanium makes the most sense as HP is using them and we have already seen how highly successful HP and Apple cooperate with the iPod.
 
It's all very well saying it's evolution, and I'm not being harsh on Apple - Ive spent a lot of redundant income in their stores (Haven't we all!) but I am worried about little things like not being able to do my job because the software I use isn't updated, or buying a printer that only says "OS X for Intel supported" or somthing just as ridiculous.

All I'm saying is that developers have only just gotten their heads around OS X, and now there may be a new incarnation - and it just causes turbulance for the people who want their computer to "just work" which used to be a marketing ploy for Apple. If this rumor is true, I'm saddened. If not (Which I believe) I think that Apple is playing a clever game of pushing IBM to get their arse in gear!
 
zakatov said:
Now if they switched, would Macs be able to run any x86 app? If they could, then there's no need to optimize anything (except the OS itself) on the software side, right?

No. First, by X86 do you mean windows? I will assume you do. If that is the case, Apple would have to have the complete WIN32/64 API on top of a special version of OS X if they continue that line and they likely will. I personally think that this is being misconstrued and the only thing that may change is Intel may make the future G5's and G6's.....OR that they may use a modified Intel chipset with a G5 plugged in that.
 
Sun Baked said:
Who did I call that...

I called people who fall for this gullible.

BTW, Dvorak is a moron (which is the general feeling around here about this scum sucking apple bashing writer).

Gosh, I remember when Dovack was a columnist for MacUser (or world). He did the column on the last page of the magazine. I guess he also turned to the Dark Side. :eek:
 
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