Really switching to Intel!!??

[~Shard~]

Good Point!!! I forgot about that. Good thing someone didn't!

Mr. Maui, in the future can you please combine your multiple 1-line responses into one post which includes the different quotes you're referencing? The Mods don't like multiple small posts like that in a row and it makes a long thread even longer. I realize it's tough to stay on top of an exploding thread like this, but just some friendly advice.

 

[iMeowbot]

Good Point!!! I forgot about that. Good thing someone didn't!

By all reasonable accounts, the Xbox 360 kernel is a highly reworked version of the original XBbox kernel, which in turn was a highly reworked NT kernel. At this point it would be like saying that XP will be released on ARM because CE is there.

 

[Jmitch]

Scheissen!

Gonna' jump right to the end game.

Instead of all the $ and pain... Apple intros a consumer iMac 1GHz G5, W 17" LCD,1 GIG RAM, 300 GIG HDD, OS X H.264 chip, superdrive & digital lifestyle apps...

$699

and an iPod shuffle thown in with 5 free iTMS songs

Do not pass go! do not collect $200

This day will come my friend.

 

[iThinkThatIsNea]

This is nonsense. PowerPC is absolutely NOT what sets Apple apart. The combination of soft- and hardware sets Apple apart. And, even if Apple decides to go with Intel, I am sure that they will ensure that hard- and software will feel teh same. That experience is not given by the CPU.
Nothing will change from an user perspective.

Right, but the problem with a new chipset is all the software has to be recoded. That IS NOT EASY. It will take a VERY long time for the transition to be complete. We would be left in the middle with no new software for our "old school" G5, and nothing on the new aptel chip.

 

[Mr Maui]

if this proves to be a legit story i will eat **** and film it with print out of this post strapped to my head.

I'm not sure ANy of us are looking forward to THAT video. And it will hav little to do with the switch!

edit: kewl post 1111

 

[amac4me]

Apple really had better broadcast this Keynote for us hardcore fanatics. I mean they need to give back to the Mac community that keeps them alive somehow. How about getting a little personal and broadcasting this Keynote on a general summary about where the companies at right now right into our homes. I don't know I just think it's a nice tradition that Apple shouldn't quit. I think they owe it to their Mac fanbase.

I'd like to see Keynote just like the rest of the world would like to see the it ... from my understanding, it won't be broadcast. We'll likely have to wait several hours for Apple to put up a Quicktime of it.

Does anyone here think Apple Mac sales will drop if the news is true? I would expect people who are considering the purchase of a Mac to reconsider their purchase if the switch to Intel is true. I say this because why would someone want to buy a system that might not exist a year or two from now? I know I wouldn't like to be in that situation.

 

[VanNess]

I live in SF so maybe I'll just waltz on down to Moscone Center tomorrow and see if i can peek inside for any tell-tale posters...

 

[Jmitch]

Right, but the problem with a new chipset is all the software has to be recoded. That IS NOT EASY. It will take a VERY long time for the transition to be complete. We would be left in the middle with no new software for our "old school" G5, and nothing on the new aptel chip.

This isn't right. I just don't see this happening. It can't happen. The day I see an Intel chip in a Macintosh is the day I take a ram rod and shove it up my ass. This would be going against EVERYTHING! This would going against everything Apple stands for and has standed for. The freedom from evil tyrants that control the market. Please Apple your the last hope.

 

[iThinkThatIsNea]

Does anyone here think Apple Mac sales will drop if the news is true?

No doubt. It would be so hard to get software on the new architecture. There would be hundreds of thousands of manhours to get where we are today on a whole new architecture. Photoshop CS, FinalCut Pro, Motion...All would not work. Maybe under eumlation, but as we know from the past that does not work.

 

[enginerd]

The article says that in mid-2006, the low-end macs will get the intel chips while the high end gets them in mid-2007. That's still quite far off. By then, the netburst architecture (P4) will be gone and dual-core versions of the next generation pentium-M (Jonah) will be out. They're supposed to scale higher than the Dothans (current gen) and be even faster clock-for-clock. I think this is great!

 

[MarcelV]

Right, but the problem with a new chipset is all the software has to be recoded. That IS NOT EASY. It will take a VERY long time for the transition to be complete. We would be left in the middle with no new software for our "old school" G5, and nothing on the new aptel chip.

You missed the rest of my post. The chips can have embedded additional instructions. By example, in Intel's new design, WMA DRM is embedded. It's feasible to build a JIT compiler into a dual core chip. That would mean no recompilation. Also, no need to make a hard cut-off from PPC. And it will leave the future open.....

 

[iThinkThatIsNea]

The article says that in mid-2006, the low-end macs will get the intel chips while the high end gets them in mid-2007. That's still quite far off. By then, the netburst architecture (P4) will be gone and dual-core versions of the next generation pentium-M (Jonah) will be out. They're supposed to scale higher than the Dothans (current gen) and be even faster clock-for-clock. I think this is great!

There is no way apple will go x86. I could see Intel creating a whole new architecture for apple to use. There will never be Mac OS installed on a Dell. Period.

 

[Mr Maui]

Mr. Maui, in the future can you please combine your multiple 1-line responses into one post which includes the different quotes you're referencing? The Mods don't like multiple small posts like that in a row and it makes a long thread even longer. I realize it's tough to stay on top of an exploding thread like this, but just some friendly advice.

Thanks for the advice ... I will try to figure our how to do that. Is there an easier way than opening two browser windows and copying from multiple posts, then pasting into one to respond to more than one post in a single response? I'm always open to making everyone's life easier ... including my own.

 

[Warbrain]

Maybe it's time for all of us to just sit, relax, and enjoy our already existent or pending Sunday. I know I will. I have graduation tomorrow, and I won't let Apple ruin my day.

Except for the fact that I was planning on buying an iBook tomorrow, but looks like that'll wait one more day.

 

[cmkrnl]

No doubt. It would be so hard to get software on the new architecture. There would be hundreds of thousands of manhours to get where we are today on a whole new architecture. Photoshop CS, FinalCut Pro, Motion...All would not work. Maybe under eumlation, but as we know from the past that does not work.

Those applications are coded using the standard operating system services and layered product services. There is probably a small amount of code (relative to the total application size) that is directly tied to the big endian PPC processor. Since Darwin (and maybe all of OS X) already runs on x86 hardware, porting those apps may not be as hard as you think.

 

[Caudor]

Intel to BUY Apple

Dare I say this? It could be that Apple is switching because they are going to announce that Intel will buy Apple.

That would explain a lot.

Now, I said it. Don't hurt me.

 

[dicklacara]

This day will come my friend.

The time is here & now...

Lotta' opportunities...

we're at the tipping point of changing Longhorn from an "also ran" to a "never ran, scratched!'

Also, the opportunity to deliver quality solutions that the consumer needs/wants at a fair price!

Next, we'll focus on the incredible disaster we call the "office computer/network"

 

[rockthecasbah]

you know it would be funny if this was a whole marketing ploy to release false info like this so people will buy a ton of overstocked macs before the 'switch.' Oh I would laugh so hard... Hey it's possible, there was a rumor saying that Apple has a whole stockpile of Macs that aren't moving...

 

[Anarcho-Commie]

This isn't right. I just don't see this happening. It can't happen. The day I see an Intel chip in a Macintosh is the day I take a ram rod and shove it up my ass. This would be going against EVERYTHING! This would going against everything Apple stands for and has standed for. The freedom from evil tyrants that control the market. Please Apple your the last hope.

wtf are you talking about. lol. apple is a corporation. capitalism and corporations stand for one thing. PROFITS. labor creates all wealth. labor is entitled to all it creates.

 

[Coca-Cola]

This seems like a possibility

everyone forgot that in January, the Sony guy, already hinted to something similar. Apple was good in one thing, and that was software. And cooperation could be seen in the future. In my opinion, Sony was not going to run PPC to run Apple's software. So, that means other projects (still a possibility) or Apple working on a solution to run OS/X on the new Vaio line. Which is a much easier task, due to the fact that Darwin already runs on x86. Then there's is the partnership with HP. My expectation is that that's not just limited to iPods. Reason for my assumption is that HP is losing shelf space and market share to Dell and low price competitors. So, HP needs to do something different to make a come-back. Bringing out a new line for OS/X could be the trick. And for Apple, suddenly a huge opportunity to create growth. Will this mean Apple's harware will move from PPC. Probably not for a while. Code will run on both platforms, due to some hardware based runtime engine embedded in the CPU's. And that's also Apple's key to keep control over the hardware. Because Dell and the low price companies will not have access to this modified chip.

I would like to see HP and Sony use Mac os 10.4. They could customize the interface a bit to their liking. I would hate to be stuck running windows on my computers if I had a company to run. What a breath of fresh air a new OS would be. If I was Sony or HP, I would make a line of Mac OS 10.4 computers, even if they lost money. The innovation and brand recognition would be well worth it. "Sony has decided to pay Apple to create a new Sony OS. It is similar to Mac OS 10.4. HP will also have apple create a new HP OS."

 

[Jmitch]

wtf are you talking about. lol. apple is a corporation. capitalism and corporations stand for one thing. PROFITS. labor creates all wealth. labor is entitled to all it creates.

Dude, yes you are right. Apple is a corporation and their #1 is making profits. But, I like to believe Apple stands for something more than just increasing the company's gain and wealth. I think Steve would know what I'm talking about. This is more than a computer. This is a revolution.

 

[Jmitch]

I would like to see HP and Sony use Mac os 10.4. They could customize the interface a bit to their liking. I would hate to be stuck running windows on my computers if I had a company to run. What a breath of fresh air a new OS would be. If I was Sony or HP, I would make a line of Mac OS 10.4 computers, even if they lost money. The innovation and brand recognition would be well worth it. "Sony has decided to pay Apple to create a new Sony OS. It is similar to Mac OS 10.4. HP will also have apple create a new HP OS."

Everytime I hear the name Sony or HP mentioned in the same sentence as Apple I want to puke.

 

[Mr Maui]

you know it would be funny if this was a whole marketing ploy to release false info like this so people will buy a ton of overstocked macs before the 'switch.' Oh I would laugh so hard... Hey it's possible, there was a rumor saying that Apple has a whole stockpile of Macs that aren't moving...

You can bet that somewhere out there, Steve is enjoying the brouhaha (sp?), and knowing that the keynote on Monday is going to get an AWFUL LOT of attention.

 

[ropbo]

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=23481

"Otellini says Apple-Intel rumours like "Haley's Comet"

But he doesn't deny it. Or confirm it

By INQUIRER staff: Wednesday 25 May 2005, 10:49

A REPORT in the Wall Street Journal has CEO Paul Otellini saying that the idea Apple might use Intel chips was the "Haley's comet of rumors".
But he would neither confirm nor deny the report in the WSJ Monday that Intel and APple had been in talks.

The last time the real Haley's comet came near the earth it was a bit of a disappointment in visual terms.

But the last time the Apple-Intel rumours were spotted in the INQ before this week was in 2002 when a reader said it was perfectly possible for Apple to shift to X86 and to other platforms as well.

So will it happen, or is it a complex dance in which Dell, IBM, Apple and Intel are all playing their appropriate part? I guess we'll find out eventually. "


http://cinepopulis.com

 

[DPazdanISU]

Mr. Maui, in the future can you please combine your multiple 1-line responses into one post which includes the different quotes you're referencing? The Mods don't like multiple small posts like that in a row and it makes a long thread even longer. I realize it's tough to stay on top of an exploding thread like this, but just some friendly advice.

Good Point!!! I forgot about that. Good thing someone didn't!
I had to.