One is a full computer, the other is a screen. I guess he doesn't really care that the screen in the computer is crap compared to the standalone screen. Let him have is fun. Ignorance is bliss.
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really worth pay $899 for the apple led?
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One is a full computer, the other is a screen. I guess he doesn't really care that the screen in the computer is crap compared to the standalone screen. Let him have is fun. Ignorance is bliss.
I dunno... If I was a professional who needed colors to look right, I think it might be cheeper to buy the $150 LCD monitor and then print out whatever it is that I'm working on to get the right color. I'd probably save more then I would spend on ink 
I dunno... If I was a professional who needed colors to look right, I think it might be cheeper to buy the $150 LCD monitor and then print out whatever it is that I'm working on to get the right color. I'd probably save more then I would spend on ink
If someones serious about printwork they shouldn't be buying a glossy display to begin with and should be looking at NEC displays or other actual Pro monitors.
I've tried to satisfy myself with a Dell LCD three times and each time it went back. It really doesn't matter what a cheap price I got when I do not want to use the product.
Every thread I've read about the 2209WA has been about people deciding they could live with the color inconsistency across the screen since it was so cheap.... no thanks.
Jeez, are you sure you weren't reading about the 2209w, the tn panel, cause the 2209wa is an IPS panel which are known for being uniform. Dell makes more than 50 different lcd models. I mean sure you just picked out a TN screen or your just a fanboy who can't except that companies other than Apple also have fantastic products.
Well I want to make the comparison that best proves my point.
But that doesn't excuse the fact your math is terrible. It's a $249 (technically $250) difference using the ACD refurb in the comparison.
Also with the iMac you also get a keyboard, mouse and printer. Don't need those? Pack 'em up on sell 'em on ebay. I'm sure you'd net at least $120.
Hard to justify that screen as a MB user when the difference is $100 and change (less if you actually could use the keyboard & mouse & printer.) And the iMac gives you a whole 'nother puter.
I will say it is a pain to keep 2 machines if you're actually continuing projects across the 2.
So I can see how folks would opt for the ACD. I really think it's slick - just man $900 ouch.
But I'm sure LED pricing will fall and when it does Apple will drop the price 16 months later.
? The screen in the 24" iMac the same panel as the 24" ACD afaik. It's an 8-bit IPS panel. It's just that the backlighting is different.
I see you took the Dell monitor out of your sig...
I always enjoy when someone jumps to the fanboy line. It's internet for flopping over on your back. There is more to uniformity than just the panel... Maybe LED isn't such a gimmick after all?
Regarding uniformity: http://www.avforums.com/forums/computer-monitors/977623-dell-2209wa-e-ips-monitor-review.html
From Anandtech forums: "I think the 2209WA would be an excellent monitor if not for the backlight issues that I have experienced on both of my units. One has a cool/greenish tint on the left half of the screen and a warm/orange-ish tint on the right half of the screen. This is usually noticeable when viewing documents or when the image involves solid colors. The other unit has no tint disparity but it does have an nonuniform backlight. By this I mean I can see dark patches in some areas on the screen. A third issue common to both monitors is manifested by two dark bands that run vertically and "divide" the screen into thirds. These problems have been experienced by other owners on Hardforums. Given the high occurrence of these issues and an apparent lack of quality or quality control, I am debating whether I should request an exchange or just return them. "
There are a ton of people on hardocp complaining about the right half being darker than the left half.
I'm sure there are some good ones but I'm not looking to play lotto in order to get a decent panel for $220. It looks a little bit like cherry picked samples went to reviewers... and average folks have to roll the Q.C. dice.
So buy four of them. You're still spending less money than if you bought the 24" Apple.
Alot of people have gone through multiple displays trying to get a good one and given up. Sometimes a person gets lucky.
And seriously, if you have time to play lotto trying to get a deal... more power to you. You will still end up with a lower quality display after wasting a bunch of time. If you are ok with the display... and have the time I guess it's fine.
And really I'm not dogging on the display, in fact I almost bought one for my "play" pc and still might. And it looks to be a case where you might "get what you pay for" and you might get more if you are fortunate.
So buy four of them. You're still spending less money than if you bought the 24" Apple.
I agree..
I agree..
Yeah, and there are plenty of threads about the ACD as well. People who have problems are more likely to post then people who don't. Your hearing the minority that had a problem and not the majority that got a good working screen.
If you can afford it or if you really want it then just buy it, it's an amazing screen that looks absolutely stunning and connects to your Mac easily.
If you don't have the cash or you don't want it that badly then get a decent Dell.
Basically, if you want it then it's worth it - you'll only be dissatisfied with something else.
If you don't have the cash or you don't want it that badly then get a decent Dell.
Basically, if you want it then it's worth it - you'll only be dissatisfied with something else.
I waiting for the new line for NON macbook display, my macpro 08 is not old for dont have a new cinema, I dont need change my graphic card! just for a new monitor, that is so bad for apple, saying "hey if you want our expensive monitor, you need to buy a new graphic card! for use it"
so I expect a line for macpro08 etc...
It's not like Apple is immune to that. I went through 4 LED ACDs before I gave up and just got some cheap TN panel. There's no use in paying 1000$ for a monitor if it's going to have the same defects a 250$ monitor will (color inconsistency was one of them. 1 of the LED ACDs had blueish whites in a corner, and yellowish whites in the other).
Newegg is not the place to buy monitors. Try the Dell outlet. http://dell.com/outlet They're sold out at the moment but carry the WFP 3007-HC for $749. (Right now they only have the WFP 3008 for $1099, which is still a better deal than $899 for a 24" with inferior color gamut and a glossy screen.)
Glossy fail. You're right, it's not the most expensive 24" display, but neither would I call it a solid deal. I understand spending the money for an Eizo ColorEdge, but there you're getting digital uniformity control, 12 or 16-bit programmable LUT, included hardware calibrator, etc.
You don't have to like it but it's most likely worth the price for people willing to pay a bit more for quality.[/QUOTE]
I had a Dell 3007 30" panel before buying a new 24" LED ACD and the Dell looks so pale in comparison.
For half the money I spent on the Dell, the Apple display is significantly better in my opinion, is an absolute joy to work on, and probably the best monitor I ever owned. You would have to rip it out of my cold dead hands now!
For half the money I spent on the Dell, the Apple display is significantly better in my opinion, is an absolute joy to work on, and probably the best monitor I ever owned. You would have to rip it out of my cold dead hands now!
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But aren't we comparing a refurb against a new model here. Hell if we want to do that Apple will shave a c note from the 24" LED ACD.
As far as glossy most graphics work just a decade ago the config was a high end CRT monitor color calibrate with a hood in a neutral room. I don't know where people get this "matte is for graphics pros" as CRTs were always somewhat glossy.
Like audio and don't believe in video voodoo. Humans do not perceive color the same way (many are colo blind or have other anomalies) so I think color calibration is a personal thing that electronics can only get so close.
Talent doesn't come in a can. A Pro with skills could deliver on a TN panel. Buy what you like knowing that in the end it's your skills or lack thereof that will determine success.
Yes you can calibrate a glossy screen. Just turn down the room lights and don't let anything like sunlight fall on the screen while calibration is taking place.
You can't calibrate out the glossy screen's effect on color contrast. This is just a trick that all glossy things have on the eye. That's why photos are sometimes printed on glossy paper. So, yes, the colorimeter can get the white point correct but if your final product is not going to be printed on glossy stock you will have to apply some ad-hoc fudge factor.
I have a less than 2 month old PC laptop with VGA
My 4 year old PowerBook has dual link DVI.
I have seen a MacBook (at default settings) more washed out than a matte screen if I play with colorsync on the matte.
+10000000 same situation here !
for me, if the new LED Cnema display come with matte screen, i can easily decide to buy it asap with 4870.
They have nothing to do with the display, but everything to do with price justification, which is what the debate is all about.
One of the benefits of the ACD over an iMac is the fact that the ACD will last you beyond the life of a computer, at least it SHOULD in principle.
So if you want to upgrade your iMac you have to buy a completely new computer and pay for a new screen when the old one may be just as good. At least with the ACD you won't be buying a screen twice so there is some value in that as well.
No one has taken my challenge yet though,
When will someone find me a 24" LED screen with an H-IPS panel to compare prices with with the ACD?
So far I've seen a Viewsonic 22" LED TN for $450
http://www.superwarehouse.com/p.cfm?p=1508421&CMP=KAC-GoogleShopping&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=1508421
I've seen lacie and hp release 24" LED RGB monitors. Probably better than the ACD but they are twice as expensive.
So if you want to upgrade your iMac you have to buy a completely new computer and pay for a new screen when the old one may be just as good. At least with the ACD you won't be buying a screen twice so there is some value in that as well.
No one has taken my challenge yet though,
When will someone find me a 24" LED screen with an H-IPS panel to compare prices with with the ACD?
So far I've seen a Viewsonic 22" LED TN for $450
http://www.superwarehouse.com/p.cfm?p=1508421&CMP=KAC-GoogleShopping&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=1508421
I've seen lacie and hp release 24" LED RGB monitors. Probably better than the ACD but they are twice as expensive.
There's a possibility Apple will come out with an ACD line built specifically for the desktops/mac pro i.e. no magsafe. However, it'll still have mini-displayport since Apple has said all its computers from on will have it. That means you'll still have to buy a new graphics card
It's not that bad really, I bought the Nvidia GT 120 and it's only 160 bucks in order to connect it to the 24" LED cinema display. So i think its still alright since my original ATI 2600 card needed an upgrade.
If you want it, I suggest go for it rather than wait around forever..