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Re: not downloads

Originally posted by ces1965

Also, I did not note any prices for whole albums. Anything more than 12 songs per album and you will pay more than the albums on iTMS (many of which are $10, including ones with 20 or more songs).

You may be right, but I was going to buy Pink Floyd's "The Wall" on iTMS the other night (26 tracks in all) and nearly choked on the $25 price! They were selling the individual tracks for $.99 (some of which are only 30 seconds long). Suddenly the idea of purchasing a CD online while foregoing the tray liner and liner notes (especially since "The Wall" includes lyrics) is not as attractive as when the concept was new 4 weeks ago. Even Amazon.com only charges $28, and that includes the "Deluxe Packaging."
 
In short we can say:
  1. don't worry, Rhapsody is a subsciption service like all the others
  2. for streaming it's ony cheaper than iTMS when you listen to more than 10 songs a month
  3. if you want to burn CDs it's only cheaper if you download more than 50 songs per month
  4. if you want to transfer songs to other devices/computers... you can't!
    [/list=1]Here's the math:
    Rhapsody 10 streaming songs: 9.95 / 10 = 0.99¢ per track
    Rhapsody 50 songs to burn: [ 9.95 + (50 x 0.79) ] / 50 = 0.99¢


    And the songs from Apple are easy to "unprotect", even without hacking. Just convert it with a non-Apple utility that supports Quicktime 6.2 (on an authorised computer, of course).
    And btw you can download the 30 sec previews to your hard disk just by using a browser, altough I won't say how. (usefull if you don't want to pay 99cents for a track that's less than 30 secs)
 
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Originally posted by billyboy
...but if buying a Mac was anything like my experience, it's almost all down to the punter (metaphorically) to go along the shelves (website) and convince themselves.
What do you mean?:confused:
 
Re: Re: not downloads

Originally posted by Christner
You may be right, but I was going to buy Pink Floyd's "The Wall" on iTMS the other night (26 tracks in all) and nearly choked on the $25 price! They were selling the individual tracks for $.99 (some of which are only 30 seconds long). Suddenly the idea of purchasing a CD online while foregoing the tray liner and liner notes (especially since "The Wall" includes lyrics) is not as attractive as when the concept was new 4 weeks ago. Even Amazon.com only charges $28, and that includes the "Deluxe Packaging."

Well if it's cheaper than Amazon without shipping is it really a bad thing. It is always possible to find things cheaper when shopping around. That's what makes the iTMS great, if you don't want to purchase from them you are not obligated to. No subscriptions or anything.

P-Worm
 
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Originally posted by kangaroo
What do you mean?:confused:

Sorry, verry badly written sentence. I meant that in my experience, it seems the only shopping and information-gathering option for a potential switcher to Mac is to go through various websites and buy on faith. It probably sounds stupid to those living in areas well-served by mature Apple Stores, but as a European I never got my hands on a mac till my PB arrived at my house - bought and paid for on faith that my research had been accurate.

Living in Europe I get the impression that Macs are supposed to sell themselves and in this competitive age, I just dont think that's too helpful an approach. I hope that Apple dont think splattering iTunes across PC users screens and linking them to the Apple.com site is enough of itself to get the curious to part with a huge wad of cash. At he very least they need some seriously good presentations of OSX in action on their site.

As this following expo shows, Apple and sales is a bit of a joke term - unless I was just unlucky in three countries.

I first got a taste for switching when I lived in Bordeaux. I had the money to buy any computer in the shop and used to look at these classy Mac machines in FNAC. The closest you got to a play on a machine was watching a loop of that iMac ad when the screen copies the bloke's head movements. I went several tmes, but noone ever came running over to sell one to me, which was sort of typical of french service, so I didnt bother pursuing it.

If I want some info on buying something major I ask around my friends . So when I was back in England still debating buying a Mac I asked assorted computer heads I know what they thought of the mac. None of them had one, and although none said dont buy one they're crap, all they said was they're supposed to be good, very user friendly and stylish, but we dont know enough about them to say yeah or nay.

So I went looking for another opinion and tried to get a good salesman to wow me over to Mac. Where I was living in Wales, there was literally one Apple dealer in a hundred mile radius, and no retail shop as such. All I could see was a couple of machines either waiting collection or in for repair. And the "salesman" was like, well we have our regular customers, they are very pleased with the products and the service, I dont think you'll be disappointed if you buy something from us. Its stricty next day delivery we hold no stock, prices are Apple's. There was nothing to play around on. It was like they were doing me a favour letting me spend $3000 blind. Not exactly the way to break down barriers.

I sold the PB to myself trawling the Apple Store, reading reviews. It was stupid really having to go to the lengths I did trying to escape buying another PC. The way a lot of resellers I found in the Yellow Pages were set up you had to make an appointment to see them. How stupid is that?

Having bought the Mac I had the chance to go to a couple of more realistic computer superstores in Bristol - PC dominated of course but they carried the Mac range. Sales was a f***** joke. In one there was a sizeable Mac stand but the sales pitch was a loop of some iPod commercial playing on a CinemaDisplay and deafening music - and the salesman was a PC boy, and it was like, arent they a good looking bit of kit really good, mmm yeah. He sent me to talk to another complete PC head about advice on a USB hub. I actually bought Appleworks there, because I had found out about it and it suited/still suits my meagre needs, and none the wiser left without a hub. In the other store they had all the Mac range, but nothing turned on, one salesman with no time to scratch his a**and it was like what do you need to do to find out about Macs.

I now live in a small town in a remote part of Spain, there is one other known Mac here (an iBook) - the engineering college threw all their macs out last year. In the 5 months of owning a Mac, even with the visits to the superstores, I have honestly not seen another Mac up and running OSX. I think it is brilliant when there are threads asking for "post your desktop"!

I tell everyone here how easy Mac is to use, but i can just envisage massive headbanging against walls when Apple launches iTunes for Windows - unless they really come up with some ground-breaking sales pitch to match their amazing products and show people surfing the net exactly what a Mac can do. And then go to great lengths to make sure that the resellers being publicised in flashing neon are actually accessible and have something to show the gagging masses.
 
I think iTMS will be fine...I can't stand Real

I think iTMS will be ok......we need to give it more time. Yeah, I would like Apple to get more songs.....especially the newer ones.....the Inspiration genre is particularly lacking right now......no Point of Grace, Jaci Velasquez, Third Day......these are big name Dove and even Grammy winners! I think right now Apple's only real problem is the need to update and expand selection. The idea and model is brilliant though and I give it a thumbs up.



I really don't care for Real......a lot of their services and subscriptions are for PCs only and it took them a long time to get their multimedia player out.
 
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Apple has always been that way. Remember Steve saying "We do the whole widget!" This is truly Apple's philosophy. Apple feels that the only way to do anything is to do it themselves and keep it to themselves. Apple is always finding ways to make it harder for retailers to sell, service, and market their products. Look at the lawsuits dealers were filing against Apple. Apple treats dealers with toleration.......Apple could care less if there any dealers at all. I have heard so many times that behind the scenes Steve has always called dealers (explecative this and that) and calling them a ******* hassle. Apple also has a hard rear attitude toward service providers. They treat certified techs like crap.......many times Apple will call a tech incompetent for even calling and asking a question to double check on something. More and more Apple is making certain products only servicable by Apple.....by depot repair only. How can a service provider make any money if half of the time all they do help depot systems to Apple for depot repair?
Recently Apple had dealers sign new contracts that to be honest were offensive.....telling a dealer that they can't sue Apple and that if they didn't like something they would have to go before a mediator service chosen by Apple......yeah like you have a chance of winning your case by a hand picked mediator! Apple also doesnt allow product returns for defective products.....so the dealer is stuck with stuff they can't sell......it just takes up space and time and money! All the time, I hear about Apple stealing customers away from dealers. Why would a dealer put the effort in if they know Apple is only going to eventually steal their customers away and dump dung on their faces? Apple thinks they are the know it all and end all of everything......the truth is Apple messes up all the time and isn't even willing to admit it. Don't get me wrong; I love Apple and the Mac.....but sometimes Apple is simply to arrogant for their own good!


Originally posted by billyboy
Sorry, verry badly written sentence. I meant that in my experience, it seems the only shopping and information-gathering option for a potential switcher to Mac is to go through various websites and buy on faith. It probably sounds stupid to those living in areas well-served by mature Apple Stores, but as a European I never got my hands on a mac till my PB arrived at my house - bought and paid for on faith that my research had been accurate.

Living in Europe I get the impression that Macs are supposed to sell themselves and in this competitive age, I just dont think that's too helpful an approach. I hope that Apple dont think splattering iTunes across PC users screens and linking them to the Apple.com site is enough of itself to get the curious to part with a huge wad of cash. At he very least they need some seriously good presentations of OSX in action on their site.

As this following expo shows, Apple and sales is a bit of a joke term - unless I was just unlucky in three countries.

I first got a taste for switching when I lived in Bordeaux. I had the money to buy any computer in the shop and used to look at these classy Mac machines in FNAC. The closest you got to a play on a machine was watching a loop of that iMac ad when the screen copies the bloke's head movements. I went several tmes, but noone ever came running over to sell one to me, which was sort of typical of french service, so I didnt bother pursuing it.

If I want some info on buying something major I ask around my friends . So when I was back in England still debating buying a Mac I asked assorted computer heads I know what they thought of the mac. None of them had one, and although none said dont buy one they're crap, all they said was they're supposed to be good, very user friendly and stylish, but we dont know enough about them to say yeah or nay.

So I went looking for another opinion and tried to get a good salesman to wow me over to Mac. Where I was living in Wales, there was literally one Apple dealer in a hundred mile radius, and no retail shop as such. All I could see was a couple of machines either waiting collection or in for repair. And the "salesman" was like, well we have our regular customers, they are very pleased with the products and the service, I dont think you'll be disappointed if you buy something from us. Its stricty next day delivery we hold no stock, prices are Apple's. There was nothing to play around on. It was like they were doing me a favour letting me spend $3000 blind. Not exactly the way to break down barriers.

I sold the PB to myself trawling the Apple Store, reading reviews. It was stupid really having to go to the lengths I did trying to escape buying another PC. The way a lot of resellers I found in the Yellow Pages were set up you had to make an appointment to see them. How stupid is that?

Having bought the Mac I had the chance to go to a couple of more realistic computer superstores in Bristol - PC dominated of course but they carried the Mac range. Sales was a f***** joke. In one there was a sizeable Mac stand but the sales pitch was a loop of some iPod commercial playing on a CinemaDisplay and deafening music - and the salesman was a PC boy, and it was like, arent they a good looking bit of kit really good, mmm yeah. He sent me to talk to another complete PC head about advice on a USB hub. I actually bought Appleworks there, because I had found out about it and it suited/still suits my meagre needs, and none the wiser left without a hub. In the other store they had all the Mac range, but nothing turned on, one salesman with no time to scratch his a**and it was like what do you need to do to find out about Macs.

I now live in a small town in a remote part of Spain, there is one other known Mac here (an iBook) - the engineering college threw all their macs out last year. In the 5 months of owning a Mac, even with the visits to the superstores, I have honestly not seen another Mac up and running OSX. I think it is brilliant when there are threads asking for "post your desktop"!

I tell everyone here how easy Mac is to use, but i can just envisage massive headbanging against walls when Apple launches iTunes for Windows - unless they really come up with some ground-breaking sales pitch to match their amazing products and show people surfing the net exactly what a Mac can do. And then go to great lengths to make sure that the resellers being publicised in flashing neon are actually accessible and have something to show the gagging masses.
 
Originally posted by davem2020
if you listen to the majority of your music at home and in the office and you have highspeed internet then 9.95 is a great value for unlimitted streaming. and once this is available wirelessly on your cell phone, the ipod will be obsolete.

i would like the comfort of knowing that i own the music and can do what i want with it, but i accept the trade off-- having access to box sets and reissues that i would never purchase myself is great. in a couple months i filled my 160 gb hard drive with downloaded music and there is still so much more i want to listen to. with rhapsody i can listen to all the music without spending hundreds of dollars on new hard drives.

think about it. it costs more than $4.00 to rent a movie at blockbuster. for 10 bucks you can "rent" tens of thousands of albums all month.

Your theory is massively flawed for two reasons.

1. Do you have any idea the cost of downloading data onto your cell phone from it's service? So you're talking $10 a month but you're not thinking about how much you're spending on your cell phone bill to pay for all that listening.

2. XM already streams 100 digital radio stations for $10 a month. GM is even installing their receivers into their cars and the Delphi receiver has connections for a home stereo, car and a portable juke box.

People like to OWN their music, not just listen. That's the whole point. Why would you subscribe to a service when you can hear the music you want on the Radio? So what if it's not on demand. People have enough bills in their lives. For watching movies, this platform might catch on but people are used to going to a record store and buying a CD which they will own forever.
 
Originally posted by NavyIntel007
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People like to OWN their music, not just listen. That's the whole point. Why would you subscribe to a service when you can hear the music you want on the Radio? So what if it's not on demand. People have enough bills in their lives. For watching movies, this platform might catch on but people are used to going to a record store and buying a CD which they will own forever.

I dont necessarily want to own all the music I listen to, but the radio isnt a particularly useful alternative. Streaming is the option IMO that lets people listen to what they want, keeps their HD clear of music they aren't too sure about, and if they like it, then they can buy it, own it and do what they want with it. To pay $10 a month to rent what essentially should be seen as demos of material on sale seems indeed an a** backwards way of doing things. Paying twice for the same product is not a concept the average consumer should support.

Edit: Maybe Apple could ak consumers to pay $10 amonth to stream if the deal allowed for 10 free downloads. Knowing what people are like, they'd download the 10 early in the month, and then later on get itchy fingers and download a couple more at $0.99. That set up might suit the punter and Apple in terms of a single $10 transaction once a month, considerably cutting accounting costs for all.

The movie stream option could be a good one too. And mobile phones as you say are a dear dear job - for anything.
 
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