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Reasons why my Treo is better than my iPhone

zub3qin said:
Wow. That is some analogy. Talking from experience?
j/k
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Well no, consider that for starters I happen to be male.

I have seen women try to engage in that sort of "man changing" behavior though.

It's sort of the flip side of the coin where guys want to rescue the damsel in distress.

That I do have experience in.
 
I never thought I'd hear someone compare the treo 700 to the iPhone. My 700 was so bad that I switched to a motorola Q (now that's bad!). It crashed daily, had huge lags switching between apps, and would stop answering calls randomly. All that with the added benefit of being so bulky it pulled my pants down. I must admit - slingbox mobile was cool - the one time I actually used it...

Give me the iphone any day.
 
ksmith80209 said:
I never thought I'd hear someone compare the treo 700 to the iPhone. My 700 was so bad that I switched to a motorola Q (now that's bad!). It crashed daily, had huge lags switching between apps, and would stop answering calls randomly. All that with the added benefit of being so bulky it pulled my pants down. I must admit - slingbox mobile was cool - the one time I actually used it...

Give me the iphone any day.
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I prefer the iPhone as well.
But it doesn't automatically invalidate the features that the Treo had that the iPhone could, and should, but doesn't
 
zub3qin said:
I prefer the iPhone as well.
But it doesn't automatically invalidate the features that the Treo had that the iPhone could, and should, but doesn't
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I never said anything about "invalidating" the treo's features. My point was that, as a 600, 650, and 700p owner, I have found the iPhone to be more stable and more functional than anything I had from palm. Sure the treo has some cool features. Do I miss a single one? Nope.

That said, I'd love to see cut & paste and a few other features soon!
 
thomasfxlt said:
Yeah, scrolling endlessly down a reformatted web page IS better than panning around a properly formatted one.
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pressing one button sure is better than moving round without knowing how much more just to read a line of sentence. and again, and again, and again, and again.....

panning around is fine, but when you spend more time doing operations than actually reading, Im sure there is something need to be improved.

PS. the best compromise between full page view and easy to read is achieved by opera mini 4. sorry iPhone supports no java, so iphone users can't try out...
 
I had a Treo 650 and then got a Treo 750 (upgraded to Windows Mobile 6) earlier this year prior to buying my iPhone just after the European announcement (was holding out in case of 3G) so I have experienced Palm OS, WM5 & 6 and now also mobile OSX. I think WM is everything you don't want on a phone, it is slow, sluggish and often freezes up, Palm OS is fast & responsive but come on Palm it looks so dated! Where mobile OSX just puts them all to shame it looks great and is fast & responsive!

Now on to features sure the Treo is a bit of a Swiss Army knife with both Palm OS and WM, although there isn't a good mail client available for WM in my opinion as nothing comes close to ChatterEmail on Palm OS but who actually carries around a Swiss Army knife these days? At the end of the day both the Treo's were excellent messaging devices and were capable of just about anything else a net connected device can do but was average at best at all of them.

To be honest I haven't noticed much of a difference between using 3G on the 750 and EDGE on the iPhone, pages still render in about the same time but the browsing experience is so much better on the iPhone. If you want you can still hit the mobile/wap versions of sites or go through Google to get the mobile optimized sites that the Treo's get by default through a proxy. Now I am sure if I were to do larger downloads then yes the Treo's 3G would kick the iPhone (over EDGE) to the curb. However the Treo doesn't have WiFi so wins out in that category.

At the end of the day I just love the usability of the iPhone, it is a joy to use and I often just play with it for the sake of it so do a lot of my co-workers and friends. It doesn't do everything a net connected device can do by far and some of the things it does could be better but for the most part everything it does it does beautifully.
 
Sobe said:
This reads like a chick who's been with a guy she's into for a couple of months and knows all of his shortcomings and dislikes them but stays with him anyway while she tries to change him, but hasn't fully accepted that he is who he is and not what she wants him to be.
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Sounds like the old saying:

Men marry women thinking they'll never change... but they do.

Women marry men thinking they will change them... but they can't.
 
clevin said:
pressing one button sure is better than moving round without knowing how much more just to read a line of sentence. and again, and again, and again, and again.....

panning around is fine, but when you spend more time doing operations than actually reading, Im sure there is something need to be improved.

PS. the best compromise between full page view and easy to read is achieved by opera mini 4. sorry iPhone supports no java, so iphone users can't try out...
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I don't struggle with panning and zooming on the iPhone at all. Love it! Some people just prefer old school. To each his own. Peace:)
 
uPhone said:
Everyone knows the iPhone sucks features wise.

The only people who really buy iPhones are for ppl who only use it for Music Video and Calls.

The iPhones isn't meant for anything else.

its not a "smart" phone.
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I use almost all the apps on my iPhone regularly. The only one I don't use is the Calculator, because it bugs me that it doesn't put commas in big numbers.

You may still not think it's smart, but that's because it's still hampered by Apple's decision to lock out 3rd party apps. Reportedly, when Leopard comes out, the power of OS X will be unleashed on the iPhone. When 3rd party developers start offering native apps that have a blank canvas for an interface (not limited to existing hard-wired buttons), the iPhone's smarts will increase exponentially.
 
Geffen said:
Some people still have to remember this is just the first generation iPhone and its not going to be a Blackberry or compared to any other phone. i'm sure in the future we'll see some enchancements to the iPhone like 3G the iPhone isn't for everyone.
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Do you think anyone looks back at the 1G BlackBerry and think "Wow! They really had this right!"
 
The Treo will be a Treo forever, butt ugly and frozen in the past. The iPhone will constantly evolve with new features.
It reminds me of the statement; "I may be fat but you're ugly, and I can lose weight!"
 
I can see what the OP is saying.

Having come from a 700p and a BB8700g, I miss a lot of the functionality.

I could never take my iphone as a serious communications device because it lacks common functionality found in the others. I really bought one to minimize the amount of devices I would have to carry around. It's strong points are really the ipod and safari. The rest is really smoke and mirrors

I would never look back at a treo but I would definitely consider the Curve
 
clevin said:
I don't think blazer's UI is THAT bad.

anyway, blazer does have some bright points (altho generally inferior to mobileSafari in page rendering): it can save pages to local disk for offline viewing, it can download files (such as podcast, etc). its drop down menu are much more responsive than mobileSafari.
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It is a matter of opinion...while waiting IN LINE for my iphone Blazer crashed so many times I finally gave up and didn't bother any further. The UI wasn't as bad as freezing constantly. And Opera Mini is such a joke on Palm OS because their JVM is from 1999, so it takes standing on one foot while pressing the buttons gently so as not to anger it, or you'll get a reset. At least, that was my experience.

thomasfxlt said:
It's ok...admit it..it's terrible. I got snookered and bought one too. Mine is at the bottom of a lake up here in MN. They call it the Treo for a reason. You'll need the Father, the Son and Holy Ghost just to make it work.
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THAT is awesome.

clevin said:
pressing one button sure is better than moving round without knowing how much more just to read a line of sentence. and again, and again, and again, and again.....

panning around is fine, but when you spend more time doing operations than actually reading, Im sure there is something need to be improved.

PS. the best compromise between full page view and easy to read is achieved by opera mini 4. sorry iPhone supports no java, so iphone users can't try out...
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Well if you don't have your IBM JVM set up properly in Palm OS (and half the time even if you do) you can't use Opera Mini either. I have yet to see a Palm OS device handle Java effectively for more than 10 minutes a session. That includes a TX as well as a Treo. It really depends on your individual setup.

Also, for me, whenever I tried scrolling around in both Blazer and Opera Mini it was just a matter of time before something froze or crashed. I just could not get it to work properly.

This is all a matter of opinion, of course. And if I had more PIM related needs I probably would have either stuck with the Treo or gone with a blackberry. But my needs are more consumer oriented; I can't do work stuff on my personal phone. So, why suffer through sub-par experiences in music, browsing, etc? I was a Palm OS user for 8 years! I loved Palm OS! I would drift away, then come running back into it's arms...but it couldn't handle my basic needs after a while.

Glad it handles yours well. Call us in 2056 when they finally get around to releasing Palm OS II. Now with multitasking! ;-)*





*I kid. I recognize it is unfair and mean of me to declare the next Palm OS won't be appearing until 2056, when it's quite obvious it won't be ready until AT LEAST 2156. Fooleo II in 2160! WHOOO!
 
As a person who has been stuck with a 700p on Verizon, I'm so disgusted with this phone that I am considering paying the early termnation fee and switching to an iPhone, despite the fact that the rest of my family is on Verizon and I'd have to pay for a separate plan!

The 700p regularly can't access the internet (despite the new firmware update), lags, renders pages horribly, and despite the vaunted Verizon network, is about as slow as using a dial up modem. I hate this phone!
 
TurboSC said:
different strokes for different folks I guess. :)
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Absolutely. Smartphones, like other multifunction devices, are a very subjective thing and people need to find which phone works best for them.

That said, the iPhone is the third phone I've owned in a year, so I'm hoping my search has come to an end. :D
 
Interesting.

It seems that Apple owners tended to buy Palm Treos. (I know my own son-in-law is like that.) Is it the whole underdog company idea? Or that they're supposed to be easier? Or ??

No wonder you hated your phone. 300Mhz is okay, but...

I have a Samsung i730 with 3G, 500 MHz processor, nice touchscreen, WiFi... it's pretty sweet. I do 3D rotation code development on it via WM Direct3D and it does a good job.

Anyway, I'm not surprised that Treo and Q owners weren't that happy. (With the exception of my son-in-law who loves his Treo, warts and all, and won't get an iPhone like his wife because he _needs_ some features for work.)
 
kdarling said:
Interesting.

It seems that Apple owners tended to buy Palm Treos. (I know my own son-in-law is like that.) Is it the whole underdog company idea? Or that they're supposed to be easier? Or ??
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I think some of that can be explained by the early ability to sync the Palm OS to the mac.
 
kdarling said:
Interesting.

It seems that Apple owners tended to buy Palm Treos. (I know my own son-in-law is like that.) Is it the whole underdog company idea? Or that they're supposed to be easier? Or ??

No wonder you hated your phone. 300Mhz is okay, but...

I have a Samsung i730 with 3G, 500 MHz processor, nice touchscreen, WiFi... it's pretty sweet. I do 3D rotation code development on it via WM Direct3D and it does a good job.

Anyway, I'm not surprised that Treo and Q owners weren't that happy. (With the exception of my son-in-law who loves his Treo, warts and all, and won't get an iPhone like his wife because he _needs_ some features for work.)
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Excluding application support because that's something which can change with time, if we focus on usability and form factor it looks to me like iPhone is the clear winner. Note that on that link you're going to see some things not mentioned available on iPhone that now are... customizable ringtones, for example. Also, while they state the samsung has polyphonic ringtones and iPhone doesn't... that's irrelevant as iPhone uses 16-bit sampled audio exclusively instead of simple 8-bit polyphony. The iPhone is thinner, lacks an obtrusive antenna, lighter weight, doesn't need a slide-out keyboard and instead has a keyboard with excellent contextual input and correction, etc.

The i730 is, I gather from the fact that it uses a stylus, not a capacitance sensing multitouch display. This is a huge negative because it effectively limits what the i730 can do in principle, relative to the kind of operations that can be designed for iPhone.
 
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