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iPhone Reasons why some hate Apple

apolloa said:
I wasn't talking about the advert, just the elitist arrogant comments on the story Mac Rumours obviously posted to entice.
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I'm trying not to mire myself into that cesspool of a discussion. It always surprises me that research says Apple owners are higher educated and make more income but they can seem so obtuse and close minded at times to the point of stupidity. Not all of them, just the most rabid. The entire lag thing is a prime example.

All of that because of a cell phone, one made by a company with a single goal in mind of making money off of them.
 
spinedoc77 said:
I'm trying not to mire myself into that cesspool of a discussion. It always surprises me that research says Apple owners are higher educated and make more income but they can seem so obtuse and close minded at times to the point of stupidity. Not all of them, just the most rabid. The entire lag thing is a prime example.

All of that because of a cell phone, one made by a company with a single goal in mind of making money off of them.
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No no sir, all of that because of Steve Jobs very very very clever marketing mind. Apple can do what ever they want and still have millions queuing for their products all because of the image they have created for themselves.
Apples end game is money, plain and simple, but the marketing and image and cultist behaviour they have instigated have blinded their fan base to this. I give it to them for that as its brilliant and hence why they are so rich.
 
apolloa said:
No no sir, all of that because of Steve Jobs very very very clever marketing mind. Apple can do what ever they want and still have millions queuing for their products all because of the image they have created for themselves.

Apples end game is money, plain and simple, but the marketing and image and cultist behaviour they have instigated have blinded their fan base to this. I give it to them for that as its brilliant and hence why they are so rich.
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What about those of us who buy iPhones because we actually like the product though? I didn't buy Apple products when Steve Jobs was around nor do I pay much attention to their marketing apart from seeing the odd ad on TV. If I thought the iPhone wasn't worth the money I wouldn't be buying it. I jumped from Android to iOS after testing an iPhone out a couple of years ago, so my taste was formed from hands on experience and I enjoyed the transition.

I think people are a little too heavy with this stereotypical cult crap. Fanboys from both sides sling this sort of rubbish at each other and don't consider that there are people out there that buy stuff they like rather than portraying the ideals of internet discussion.
 
The-Real-Deal82 said:
What about those of us who buy iPhones because we actually like the product though? I didn't buy Apple products when Steve Jobs was around nor do I pay much attention to their marketing apart from seeing the odd ad on TV. If I thought the iPhone wasn't worth the money I wouldn't be buying it. I jumped from Android to iOS after testing an iPhone out a couple of years ago, so my taste was formed from hands on experience and I enjoyed the transition.

I think people are a little too heavy with this stereotypical cult crap. Fanboys from both sides sling this sort of rubbish at each other and don't consider that there are people out there that buy stuff they like rather than portraying the ideals of internet discussion.
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Good for you, however this thread is discussing why people hate Apple, this website is a good example of why. You may think stereotyping the cult is over the top, but do you know any other electronics fan base who lay reefs and candles outside their stores because the CEO dies?
Do you? Apple encourages a cult behaviour because it leads to profits, its all just marketing.
 
apolloa said:
Good for you, however this thread is discussing why people hate Apple, this website is a good example of why. You may think stereotyping the cult is over the top, but do you know any other electronics fan base who lay reefs and candles outside their stores because the CEO dies?
Do you? Apple encourages a cult behaviour because it leads to profits, its all just marketing.
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If people hate Apple and 'this website is a good example' of that, I have little sympathy. They are obviously here to annoy themselves as this is a site for discussing Apple products/services and you are going to encounter people who are enthusiastic about what they have bought etc. Yes I know this is the alternatives section, but many people here own both etc.

If someone hates Apple and is only here to sneer at their products and marketing, what does that tell us? There are products out there I don't buy and I think they are rubbish. I don't discuss it on their pro forums because I have better things to do with my time. This thread has some good points and I've enjoyed reading it and taking part, I just feel some of the silly cult stereotyping is just internet propaganda that can't see past its own irony.
 
apolloa said:
Good for you, however this thread is discussing why people hate Apple, this website is a good example of why. You may think stereotyping the cult is over the top, but do you know any other electronics fan base who lay reefs and candles outside their stores because the CEO dies?
Do you? Apple encourages a cult behaviour because it leads to profits, its all just marketing.
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maybe theres a reason for that?

maybe people like the brand and what they stand for?

apple is one of the few companies that has character, be it good or bad, they have it, hence people can like them or not.

you cant like or dislike samsung, they are just one of the million generic tech companies. what do they stand for? whats their defining characteristic? except copying

and i dont think you can compare samsung executives with steve jobs, bill gates, dell, ellison. they are in a different league, some would call them pioneers of consumer tech industry. meanwhile, i couldnt pronounce samsungs ceo name even if i knew what it was.
 
beosound3200 said:
maybe theres a reason for that?

maybe people like the brand and what they stand for?

apple is one of the few companies that has character, be it good or bad, they have it, hence people can like them or not.

you cant like or dislike samsung, they are just one of the million generic tech companies. what do they stand for? whats their defining characteristic? except copying

and i dont think you can compare samsung executives with steve jobs, bill gates, dell, ellison. they are in a different league, some would call them pioneers of consumer tech industry. meanwhile, i couldnt pronounce samsungs ceo name even if i knew what it was.
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Really? Plenty of posts on this website would clearly prove you wrong with that point.
It is cult behaviour, it's very abnormal behaviour for people who buy electronics goods, because that is all they are, to place reefs and cry because the CEO dies, someone they have never met in their lives and had no connection to what so ever apart from adding to their company's bottom line, the only reason for this is the behaviour Apple themselves cultivates amongst it's fans because it equals profits no matter what.
Hence a reason people hate Apple.
 
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apolloa said:
Good for you, however this thread is discussing why people hate Apple, this website is a good example of why. You may think stereotyping the cult is over the top, but do you know any other electronics fan base who lay reefs and candles outside their stores because the CEO dies?
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Without googling, name me one CEO of the following companies:

Samsung, Motorola, LG, HTC, ASUS...

That's why.
 
apolloa said:
Really? Plenty of posts on this website would clearly prove you wrong with that point.
It is cult behaviour, it's very abnormal behaviour for people who buy electronics goods, because that is all they are, to place reefs and cry because the CEO dies, someone they have never met in their lives and had no connection to what so ever apart from adding to their company's bottom line, the only reason for this is the behaviour Apple themselves cultivates amongst it's fans because it equals profits no matter what.
Hence a reason people hate Apple.
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lets leave the most extreme examples by side, but the reason people care about apple (both positively and negatively) is because its very clear what apple is like and what they stand for. they worked very hard for their brand for many years. you could describe them in a few sentences. and if you like what they stand for, and you like their products, you'll feel a connection. if you dont like what they stand for or their products, you will dislike them. their brand/legal person has a character you can like or dislike. other companies dont. others are generic

some could draw analogies with the connection you feel with a person, you met for the first time, with whom you share same characteristics, ideals etc.

samsung cannot be liked or disliked, they didnt define their character so well, both through products and brand. nor can htc, lg, maybe sony
 
Who hates Apple?

I love Apple, I have a Macbook Pro and an iPad. I just went to the Galaxy phone because I wanted to try to something else, and try a bigger screen. I do love the look of my Galaxy S5 though I wish I could have gotten the 32 GB option. Aside from that the experience has been good.

Whether I will go back to all Apple or not I am unsure of. I do like the fact that the iPhone has the bigger screen and I can put third party keyboards in, but, I still want to take a look at them prior to deciding to upgrade.

I find it rather ironic that many see Apple as "The man". When I first switched back in 2004, Apple was the rebellious underdog.
 
Samtb said:
I know this is discussed a lot but what are the real reasons some people using android hate apple and their products so much. They say it's overpriced but a lot of androids are more expensive than iphone and isn't it just a matter of personal preference? What is it they hate so much?
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i dont hate apple, i have owned (and owning) apples devices. i just dont like to use devices that feels outdated right after opening the box. surely they are nice stuff, but they are just as any other devices too.. nothing special.

it is not the "how much" but the "what did you get the price you paid." and yes, i feel apples devices are overpriced. im not poor (nor rich either), so it is not the money issue for me. i can go to a store and pickup any of the gadget i want, but still... i want to get something for the money.

i feel apples devices (well some of them) are good and for sure a typical customer doesnt need more than they offer. but there are also customers who want to get more than just an ordinary gadget.
 
Had to cringe when I saw a poster say "Jobs bless you" with an angelic picture of Jobs. Seriously, this induces fear in me, the kind that makes you run away as far as you can.
 
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spinedoc77 said:
Had to cringe when I saw a poster say "Jobs bless you" with an angelic picture of Jobs. Seriously, this induces fear in me, the kind that makes you run away as far as you can.
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Kind of like the fear you get when you realize someone is trying to convince you to attend an Amway presentation.



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I don't hate Apple. Best computer I ever owned was my 2009 MBP, which I'd still be using if the guts weren't obsolete

But their marketing is so ridiculous sometime I have to clown. And I really hate their whole software commoditization strategy
 
I'm more concerned with the number of people who hate the people who buy Apple products.

I had a number of reasons why I switched to Android a few years ago for my phone - screen size, freedom, etc. But one factor was definitely just being sick of being hated, called a sheep, a blind fanboy, "Part of the Problem (TM)" and constantly being made to feel like a bad person for my choice of phone. It's not very nice being hated, and sometimes you just think screw it, I'll conform and get everyone off my back (ironic really, considering that buying into Apple is usually considered conformist / sheep-like). I just got so sick of trying to defend and justify something that I bought for myself.


As to why it happens, I suppose in part because they're a successful company and everyone hates successful companies (rawr, capitalism is teh evilz), and partly mob mentality.

The reasons people give are often rubbish
"They use Foxconn, which is a Chinese sweatshop" - so do Samsung, HTC, Sony.... pretty much everyone. Yes, it sucks. The global economy is a complicated beast, and contrary to idealistic belief we can't just withdraw all our business from China overnight (they'll starve). Don't pretend the competition is any better!
"They're overpriced" - they say and then buy a high end Samsung phone which costs the same

But there are also some fair points
"They're locked down"
Indeed they are. That's an issue that one must bear in mind when choosing a phone or tablet. But then, why hate me for it? Okay, so I have to wait til I get home before I can put that MP3 on. My problem, not yours.

I drift between them, it seems. At the moment I'm a bit tired of messing with different ROMs, and I think iOS would help me to stay focused. So in a way, there can be positive sides to restriction.
 
I Googled a bit. This is possibly the most insightful take on it I've seen so far:

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/oct/06/why-do-people-hate-apple

tl;dr - because Apple products tend to invoke emotion, that alienates those who aren't sharing that emotion, who then respond with equally emotional dislike of the company, the product, and you.
It's a pretty human answer, I think. It also rings true for a certain other interest of mine ;)
 
Cloudane said:
I Googled a bit. This is possibly the most insightful take on it I've seen so far:

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/oct/06/why-do-people-hate-apple

tl;dr - because Apple products tend to invoke emotion, that alienates those who aren't sharing that emotion, who then respond with equally emotional dislike of the company, the product, and you.
It's a pretty human answer, I think. It also rings true for a certain other interest of mine ;)
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I generally agree with that article. However it makes more sense to me the other way around. Apple customers become identified with their products because of the emotions they evoke - this leads them to hate whatever threatens their way of doing things. So, rather than those feeling "alienated" doing the hating, the hate stems from the reaction to defend what one is identified with.

Of course the hate from being "alienated" is also real, I just don't think it is that strong or frequent going in that direction.

Add to this, I think Apple's brand identity adds significantly to how emotionally attached their customers become to the products. It's not just the experience of using the products themselves. Included in this is the illustrious history of Apple as well as their standout personalities (Jobs, Ive, etc.). Apple is a very clearly defined group to belong to, and the company certainly represents success and strength, so this offers a sense of protection.

So, Apple customers are emotionally identified with the products, and with Apple as an entity itself. This leads to Android hate. (And probably in a lesser degree other platforms too, like WP, but they are of course not as big an "enemy".) And this I am sure is just as strong and common as hate for Apple.

On the Android side however, I think the emotional attachment arises from something more ideological: the concept of freedom. Freedom to customise your phone, the OS itself, or the freedom simply to choose from so many different products. With the emotional attachment to the actual device user experience being less strong than on the Apple side.

And I am 100% sure the hate flows just as strongly in both directions. You only hate as much as you are being hated. It's just that the hate for Android is less focused since there are so many manufacturers on the that side. There is "Samsung hate", "Google hate", etc. So it doesn't appear as striking as the hate for Apple.
 
I don't hate apple although I think their products are overpriced. What I do hate is the cringe worthy marketing that both apple and samsung put out. And especially the keynote speeches and presentations, with everyone in the audience cheering. That's what I hate.
 
Oohara said:
I generally agree with that article. However it makes more sense to me the other way around. Apple customers become identified with their products because of the emotions they evoke - this leads them to hate whatever threatens their way of doing things. So, rather than those feeling "alienated" doing the hating, the hate stems from the reaction to defend what one is identified with.

Of course the hate from being "alienated" is also real, I just don't think it is that strong or frequent going in that direction.
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My experience is that we get a TON of hate directed at us, and therefore that way around is quite prevalent - I've never received any hate for using an Android phone but have been made to feel bad for using an iPhone on numerous occasions. However that's not to say it doesn't happen the other way - there's plenty of that, I've seen it here unfortunately. It can be a bit of a religious battle.
 
Cloudane said:
My experience is that we get a TON of hate directed at us, and therefore that way around is quite prevalent - I've never received any hate for using an Android phone but have been made to feel bad for using an iPhone on numerous occasions. However that's not to say it doesn't happen the other way - there's plenty of that, I've seen it here unfortunately. It can be a bit of a religious battle.
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aidenh37 said:
Not everybody is like us and wants to spend weekend money (real world) on Apple products.

Everyone is different, this is not an exception.
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:)

(though it was more his sig than what he posted)
 
i know i sounds childish,but when i was at school i hated apple and iphone,i was jealous when my friends had them,sometimes it was really painful :D,thats why i hated apple,now i m a diehard :apple:fangirl but i dont hate others brand like i hated apple at my young age.
 
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