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Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features Used by Low Vision and Blind Users
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To give Apple benefit of the doubt, I’m wondering if this is a transition into putting more SIRI functionalities on device instead of relying on cloud connectivity. Just wondering. Unfortunately since current functions are cloud based, anything Apple did will affect every iOS users.
Let’s add to that they also broke “Hey Siri” trigger functionality on AirPods Pro for some users.
Did you all ever play Mario64? The never ending upwards bowser stairs? Feels same crap but never ending rolling fall.
Did you all ever play Mario64? The never ending upwards bowser stairs? Feels same crap but never ending rolling fall.
Your points are well made, and normally I wouldn't consider moving away from Apple. But as I said in my missive, this is all on Apple. Apple has moved away from me. If I move away from Apple, then maybe I'm just making it official.
Did you just accuse a fellow forum member of having child porn? Not a good look on you sir, because it just shows that either you haven't been paying attention to the discussion or you have decided just to ignore a valid concern. A concern that America's own Founding Fathers expressed many many times during the creation of our founding documents.
Apple's idea to mine people's photos was bad because it would have opened up innocent people to being (accidentally or purposely) falsely accused of having committed a crime without due process of law. An atrocious crime, yes. But all it takes is one false accusation for an innocent person to lose their job, family, personal property, personal liberty, and even their very life.
Why do you insist on ignoring that valid concern? Why do you resist an honest discussion on that concern?
And why have you and others on your side of the argument dropped so many un-subtle hints (or even claimed outright) that the mere expression of such a concern is because the doubter is probably guilty of the very crime they're wary of being falsely accused of?
Is this all just a strategy? Ignore the concerns and just be loud enough to force everybody into bending the knee and complying, just because they fear your accusations?
Well it won't work, sir. It will only make people reject it with even more passion.
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Yes, I can agree to that, maybe there’s that situation where anybody can grab a phone and trigger a playback of the last messages. Can’t remember if the unique owner voice detection is via the “Hey Siri” trigger or also any action if triggered by the lock button press-hold.
Could be what you say, that it’s very complicated and something critical broke, something related to on device vs cloud processing…
so ok fine, benefit of the doubt, let’s see what Apple has said publicly because for sure they are aware, potentially weeks before it was to happen, a warning to its customers… Nothing, there’s absolutely no communication whatsoever going from Apple to its users… submitted bugs, feedbacks, etc receive nothing back in return 99.9% of the time. Not even an acknowledgement that the bug exists, that it will be looked into.
The only time there’s a response is a sort of PR damage control because something went on fire on an usual social media or Tim/Craig/etc wants to market that “they receive hundreds of emails everyday from happy customers whose lives have truly changed in meaningful ways”.
Unintended rant here by now, not against what you convey, just that I’d they just kept a minimum of information pointing to a direction or what to expect on the not so nice side of things, people would sure as heck jump less to impulsive conclusions.
"Subsequently, I've had the same response on a phone running iOS 12."
ReAdInG iS hArD!
I'll bet this is security-related. There have been a bunch of "I can access this from the lock screen" bug reports in the press. I'm sure this would cause the security theatre people to freak out with a "TOTALLY INSECURE!"
This issue is unrelated to any software update. It’s an issue even on older versions of iOS.
For verification clarification: I’m not giving Apple a pass, simply reminding that the other options may not be the solution they appear at times. Nevertheless, if you can, try them out and discover if those alternatives are any more satisfactory. There have been times I genuinely considered a trial run with Linux — I even looked up several reviews highlighting distress closest to resembling the UX of OS X or even Windows.
The sad and frustrating reality of the recent 10 to 15 years, especially in software-related areas: sacrifice quality in production to launch first. As long as a few samples pass minimal tests, we (the company) will just address problems later, if needed. Actually, the same goes for value features. In addition, certain technology advances have made the smokescreen marketing easier. Remember when software was provided on discs/disks, high-speed Internet access was scarce for residences, and there wasn’t an update possible around the corner? Companies knew the initial/original product must be as perfect as possible or face huge expenses and just as much blowback — even without rampant social networks. Now, “We’ll have an update for that soon” as a presumably acceptable compromise. Much of the problem stems from the top (i.e., executives), pressuring/commanding production staff to cut corners — although, there are indeed some lazy staff (e.g., developers).
As far as I’m aware — though admittedly haven’t used Siri in weeks, if not months — “You need to unlock your iPhone/iPad first” security restriction has been in place for awhile. Unless I’m misunderstanding your point.
This is terrible. BUT I nearly threw my phone at the wall the other day. Just ask Siri: "how is the weather?" on iOS 15.... 😒
Certainly there’s zero need for a full new release every year now, features are being added in point updates continuously now anyway. The effort of a whole new OS version every year is no longer worth it, and at worst means the software is buggier and stuff like this happens. More resources should go into polishing and bug fixing over a 2 year release cycle. Not as glamorous but ultimately makes for a better user experience.
Does anyone remember many years ago when a shareholder questioned Tim Cook on the profitability of features for the blind, and Tim said something like "We don't look at the bloody ROI for features for the blind" or something like that?
Well maybe now Apple's looking at the ROI?
Well maybe now Apple's looking at the ROI?
Might be a bug.
Bug?
Baseless speculation until we know if it’s a bug.
You should use this for your comedy routine
Speak for yourself.. I will certainly not
It “definitely” is, eh? Even though it’s not iOS specific? But yes, it could be related, since they have to support both 15 and older OSes. But hardly “definitely”.
I’ve been using the Noir extension for Safari recently, and only toggling smart invert on apps that don’t have a dark theme, made it a lot more tolerable. I have installed IOS15, but so far have been very lucky and not encountered loads of issues, avoided most of the Voice Over ones too. Not a big Siri user so hadn’t realised the complete mess there until now.
im using an SE2020 and looking at upgrading to a 13 Mini, but slightly concerned I’ll end up with a cluster fluster version of IOS15 now.
For all of the amazing work Apple does on accessibility features, their Siri stuff is sorely lacking. My father is completely blind and uses Siri for basic tasks like calling and reading messages, but so many other commands he uses silently (with no voice announcement at all) displays content on screen, or silently open web results, leaving him wondering whether it did anything.
Somewhere in accessibility there should just be a “the user of this iPhone is blind” toggle which kills all of this weird behaviour and forces voice responses for everything and suppressed context switching to other apps. It absolutely baffles me that this isn’t a thing already.
Quick example for anyone at apple reading this: “What alarms have I set?” - No voice response at all, just a text pop up on-screen saying “You have no alarms set.” or if it’s feeling fruity, the phone switches straight to the list of alarms in the Clock app, with no voice feedback again. Ask the HomePod the same question, and it reads them out. C’mon Apple!
Somewhere in accessibility there should just be a “the user of this iPhone is blind” toggle which kills all of this weird behaviour and forces voice responses for everything and suppressed context switching to other apps. It absolutely baffles me that this isn’t a thing already.
Quick example for anyone at apple reading this: “What alarms have I set?” - No voice response at all, just a text pop up on-screen saying “You have no alarms set.” or if it’s feeling fruity, the phone switches straight to the list of alarms in the Clock app, with no voice feedback again. Ask the HomePod the same question, and it reads them out. C’mon Apple!