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Redesigned iMac?

Re: Re: Re: Re: ok

Originally posted by fabsgwu
But is it widescreen?:cool:

And uh, also: you get a more stable OS and the joy of ditching Micro$oft, that's priceless.
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Not to the average consumer that wants to check their email and surf the web. If you made $25k per year, would you buy a $900 or $1900 computer that meets your needs. Not accounting for any bs factors (iApps, OS, "style", etc). $900 wins every time. Apple has shown for the last 10 years that they haven't got the foggiest idea how to build and price a system for the market.

Heck, if Apple.com didn't have the refurb section of their store (with 1yr warranties), I would probably not own the items in my sig...
 
Sony (W & V series vaios) & Gateway (Profile/Media Center) all-in-ones, for example, sport the computer mounted directly behind the LCD. Seems like a logical design move to get the box (dome) off the desk and hide it behind a floating display. In fact, all they need to due is take a powerbook, sans display/keyboard and slap it on the back of a 20" display and they're practically there. Hmm, how much should I charge Apple for that one? :cool:
 
isn't it clear?

They're going to move to a more industrial design. They started with the Xserve, moved on to the G5, and now to rest of the systems.

The artsy design is over, and its now time for less curves and more corners, so to speak.

I just hope they don't tamper with the displays too much, though. They're awesome!
 
Yeaahh!

I'll get one, for sure will be those imacs with slot drive and different colors like the classic one but with TFT... I'll get a blueberry ;) .... I still continue with my 20 years theory...:)
 
It's going to be a handheld.

I heard from a friend of mine, that people are getting confused.

You see, they are mistaking what can appear to be a compactly redesigned iMac for what is in fact a handheld PDA device that Apple is prototyping.

This device is slightly larger than the iPod, but unlike the iPod, it's screen uses almost the entire area on one of the faces.

It will feature a slimmed down version of Mac OS X - current builds show it using some form of Jaguar (it still has Aqua, not the brushed metal of Panther - and it will allow pen-driven input using Inkwell, similar to the Newton.

The name is tentatively 'iWalk' but this may change. Do a search on google and you will find out all about it.

regards


Floop
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: ok

Originally posted by fabsgwu
But is it widescreen?:cool:

And uh, also: you get a more stable OS and the joy of ditching Micro$oft, that's priceless.
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I already pay $129 a year on top of the hardware costs for that more stable OS and the joy of ditching microsoft. Apple basically has a subscription OS like LINDOWS. they keep changing their OS JUST ENOUGH each year that you have to buy the new one, because suddenly all the iApps will "require" it to run.

My argument was:

Let's say I just bought the better OS. (Mac for $129.)

now why do I need to pay twice as much to run it as windows?

Windows Hardware doesn't suck, just the
look and the OS.
I already bought the OS, so now it is just the "look" that is lacking.

Why pay TWICE AS MUCH FOR THE LOOK OF IT?!?!?!
 
Hmmm...A G5 iMac? I for one hope not. The problem with Macs these days are that we all want machines priced differently with the same specs. We want G5 iMacs and G5 PowerMacs and we expect them to be the same but cost different. I'd still like to see G3's + AltiVec t 1.4 Ghz.

I also think apple needs to continue the current PowerMac G4 line as a cheap headless system. Put 1.25 and 1.42's in it...and sell em cheap.

As far as the wireless displays...it's not so far off...there are PC versions...

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/smartdisplay/evaluation/products.asp

hmm?

macboyX
 
Wow. I wireless display would be exceedingly cool. If Apple could get it to work, that is...

...But in my opinion, there is no way you could do it with current wireless technology, and next generation wireless technology would still probably not be enough to handle it. But what if you put the graphics infrastructure on the display? I don't know a great deal about the dirty aspects of computing, but if you're no longer transmitting the video wirelessly, just the data that the graphics card turns into video, this could lower the bandwidth needed. Maybe. I'm not really sure. Anyone out there know if this would work?

But, you'd need a power source anyway, and 4 AA batteries just ain't gonna cut it. It would be incredibly cool though, to have three units sitting on your desk (Display, Keyboard, Mouse) all wirelessly connected to a computer hidden from view.
 
Originally posted by Jerry Spoon
Redesign can't hurt if it lowers the price.
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I can't think of many product redesigns from Apple that were priced less than what they replaced. Look at the G5, or the iMac when it was redesigned, or any powermac after a redesign. This new iMac will be more expensive. The only reason the current iMac is cheap is because Apple can't charge more and still have them sell well, not at its current speed anyway.
 
Re: It's going to be a handheld.

Originally posted by Floop
I heard from a friend of mine, that people are getting confused.

You see, they are mistaking what can appear to be a compactly redesigned iMac for what is in fact a handheld PDA device that Apple is prototyping.

This device is slightly larger than the iPod, but unlike the iPod, it's screen uses almost the entire area on one of the faces.

It will feature a slimmed down version of Mac OS X - current builds show it using some form of Jaguar (it still has Aqua, not the brushed metal of Panther - and it will allow pen-driven input using Inkwell, similar to the Newton.

The name is tentatively 'iWalk' but this may change. Do a search on google and you will find out all about it.

regards


Floop
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This rumor has been around for ages. The iWalk has proven to be a hoax. There is absolutely no reason for Apple to make a handheld device when cell phones are taking over that market. I know ever since I got a phone that was compatible with iSync (sync with Address Book and iCal), I haven't even touched my Palm.

I think if Inkwell is going to be used for anything, it'll be for a detachable smart display as has been suggested already. Touch screens are much more expensive than regular LCDs, though, so I imagine this will be a high-end option on the iMacs. Like, we're talking a $300-$500 add-on.

Besides that, I think the case will be redesigned for the G5. I don't know if it will be aluminum, though - I think they want to separate the "Power" line from the "i" line, and the Aluminum is now the distinguishing feature of the Power line. More likely, the iMacs will have the same color scheme as the redesigned iBooks that are supposed to debut next month. Maybe the iBooks will also incorporate the ornamental LED idea? This will maybe make the iBook and iMac look more "cuddly" as one poster above suggested.
 
i would get away from wireless displays etc everyone, if you want to carry it with you buy a laptop, this is about a Desk top system so a removable display makes no sense. what apple needs is a g5 imac with a kickbutt video card that can be upgraded and a pci slot. G5 cube please,be it clear,multicolor,or aluminum or painted aluminum, just give me a small upgradable g5 with cool cool styling( unlike G5powermac) at a good price and the world will make a path to your door apple.
 
Originally posted by macMaestro
Wow. I wireless display would be exceedingly cool. If Apple could get it to work, that is...

...But in my opinion, there is no way you could do it with current wireless technology, and next generation wireless technology would still probably not be enough to handle it. But what if you put the graphics infrastructure on the display? I don't know a great deal about the dirty aspects of computing, but if you're no longer transmitting the video wirelessly, just the data that the graphics card turns into video, this could lower the bandwidth needed. Maybe. I'm not really sure. Anyone out there know if this would work?

But, you'd need a power source anyway, and 4 AA batteries just ain't gonna cut it. It would be incredibly cool though, to have three units sitting on your desk (Display, Keyboard, Mouse) all wirelessly connected to a computer hidden from view.
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This is basically exactly how the Viewsonic smart display works. It's basically just a small computer that is running Windows Remote Desktop. The Windows remote desktop has amazing compression, though - I've gotten it to work pretty well even over a 56K modem. Maybe Apple will release a new version of its own Remote Desktop that improves the compression to be more in line with what Windows can achieve now. Maybe Apple can do something amazing with Quartz? Maybe with Airport Extreme and a graphics-card accelerated Quartz Extreme, Apple can make it work. But then we're talking about the "Smart Display" basically being a full-fledged tablet computer...
 
Originally posted by baby duck monge
wow. the thing that strikes me the most about this thread is the number of newbiew posting to it.

to respond to those ideas, though, a wireless display (as in one without its own processor, HD, memory, and whatnot) is not feasible at this moment. there have been numerous discussions about the amount of information that would need to be transfered from the base to the monitor, and there is no wireless solution at the moment that is powerful enough. now if apple came up with that at the same time as a redesign... they would just be my hero. unfortunately, it seems like a wireless display that gets its information from a seperate computing base it some ways off...

keep dreaming, though! as soon as we stop deaming, there will be no need for innovation.
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As one of those newbies, I'd like to resond :cool: I may be a newbiew, but I'm also a Ph.D physicist, so my request, I hope, has some grounding in reality :cool:


whilst not reasonable for a "raw" display: if you borrow the idea of a remote X-server and consider a "cocoa server" i.e. a display that could turn high level cocoa commands into a rendered display, then you might still be able to get good performance over a wireless protocol....
(so it would have some stripped down processor, but no need for HD, large memory etc)

now that may mean the display is too expensive etc etc but as you say...may as well keep dreaming!!

Rob

ooops -just added: seems last few posts are addressing this idea also...
 
let the speculation begin!!! it always make me laugh that we all start foaming at the mouth at a rumor, that we have no idea will come true... but i'm no better :D

so here's my prediction: i expect a new studio display as the form factor base. with the g5 this form will allow the monster heat sinks to extend out of the back (apple will of course make 'em look pretty). a dvd/cdrw drive will come out of the side and will feature the usual plugs in back. i would expect the g5 to be at 1.6 or 1.8 ghz, while the towers have been bumped up to top off around 3ghz.

anyway my two cents on what i wouldn't mind seeing.
 
The new imac will turn into the only single G5. Duals only for powermac.
 
LED display

LED/OLED display? G5 processor? I'm just bummed, waiting for a new computer and then finally settling on the new iMac and now a NEW, completely revamped one in 2004. Oh well - I'm happy with what I've got.
 
Re: Re: Wireless display?

Originally posted by kingjr3
I really like this idea Dreamail....sort of like the Viewsonic Wireless Smart Display....http://www.viewsonic.com/products/airpanel_airpanel100.htm
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That is what I would like....

A small, cheap cube forming the main computer.
Then you could add as many wireless display (on an arm like the current iMac - I hate stands) and/or wireless keyboard/mouse (maybe connecting to the display or main unit via bluetooth).

You could also use one wired monitor, keyboard, and mouse if you chose to.

So you could go cheap by doing:

base unit + wired keyboard + wired mouse (headless - any monitor you want)

Or you could go a little upscale by doing:

base unit + multiple (wireless monitor + wireless keyboard + wireless mouse)

You could have several people all logged into the same base unit!

My only question is, what kind of range you could get on the wireless connection and still have it useful.
 
I'm sure Apple is going to make the new iMac appealing. I just hope that they can reduce their costs dramatically so that the price can come down. We also don't really need two different sizes of displays for the iMac. That just makes it more confusing for the average consumer since the display is such a large part of the final price. The reality of the current enironment is that if the price is close to $2000 it will be considered a model for power users. The price should be no more than $1200 in order to have broad consumer appeal. This is not an unreasonable price if improvements are made in the manufacturing process as well as the the entire supply chain.
 
The part of this rumour we are all referring to is comment that the redesign " is said to be as dramatic as the shift from the CRT iMac to the LCD iMac."

So we think about the screen, surely there is not much apple can do, the current iMac design is brilliant, no other comparable screen (to my knowledge) is as adjustable (plus the fact its widescreen (17") which is a much more natural shape for our eyes) & hence comfortable to use. The obvious other option would be to remove it and have a headless system maybe with an optional attachable screen, so you don't lose deskspace if you use the apple screen. But then why would Apple introduce a new imac as effectively a new cube, surely that wont happen? Otherwise a wireless screen, is just not feasible to the standard of operation we expect from apple, and surely they cant make that small base hold up a cinema display

So most likely its something else, but what? Its surely going to be a G5 or a new IBM G3 based chip, otherwise apple would stick with the current form factor, so what surprises could they have?

Something consumer orientated, so maybe an expansion on the digital hub idea, it has to do something extra to command the extra price over an emac or PC. From my experience the current iMac has the “cuddly” factor, its just too expensive for what it is, & often people who would buy iMacs end up buying PC laptops as they want the aio form factor (mostly for the fact it takes up very little space) but a laptop in addition offers portability.

I really have no idea what they’re going to produce, but I can’t wait to see.

Mr Ive please keep some of our products arty and white
:D
 
Originally posted by Sabbath

So most likely its something else, but what? Its surely going to be a G5 or a new IBM G3 based chip, otherwise apple would stick with the current form factor, so what surprises could they have?

Something consumer orientated, so maybe an expansion on the digital hub idea, it has to do something extra to command the extra price over an emac or PC. From my experience the current iMac has the “cuddly” factor, its just too expensive for what it is, & often people who would buy iMacs end up buying PC laptops as they want the aio form factor (mostly for the fact it takes up very little space) but a laptop in addition offers portability.

I really have no idea what they’re going to produce, but I can’t wait to see.

Mr Ive please keep some of our products arty and white
:D
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This "something else" is when they will introduce that odd LED display technology that let's the computer change color.

Maybe then you can CHOOSE what color your iMac is day-to-day. either white (no lights turned on), or any color you want depending on the day of the week or your mood.
 
Originally posted by baby duck monge
wow. the thing that strikes me the most about this thread is the number of newbiew posting to it. not that i have a problem with that, as we were all newbies at one point and the only way to change that is to post.

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Well, when do turn from a Newbie?
200 posts?

Some of us have jobs....

Not ME, but some of us.
 
sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet

Originally posted by BOOMBA
Well, when do turn from a Newbie?
200 posts?

Some of us have jobs....

Not ME, but some of us.
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Whoops!
Nevermind!
It seems I am now a "MEMBER"!

Guess I just made my last Newbie post!

SWEEEEET.
 
Originally posted by kangaroo
Sony (W & V series vaios) & Gateway (Profile/Media Center) all-in-ones, for example, sport the computer mounted directly behind the LCD. Seems like a logical design move to get the box (dome) off the desk and hide it behind a floating display. In fact, all they need to due is take a powerbook, sans display/keyboard and slap it on the back of a 20" display and they're practically there. Hmm, how much should I charge Apple for that one? :cool:
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That's about what Jonathan Ives initially presented to Steve and Steve sent him back to the drawing board with the sunflower concept.
 
Re: It's got to have a G5 and be under $1500

Originally posted by jocknerd
Even under a $1000 without a built-in display. Then Apple will have something for the masses.
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kind of misunderstand what iMac means, eh? iMac is an ALL IN ONE, it would never be sold without display built-in. But i agree that they need to keep the current price point or lower it while increasing speed... a G5 is a ways off, but the G5 iMac will have a new form factor. But it's too soon for that, I'd say late 2004 is the earliest we could expect anything like that. Minimal speed bumps and perhaps form factor tweaks until then.

pnw
 
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