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Unpopular opinion sure to upset (but that is not my intent): He made an incredible difference in the technology industry. Partially, through what the obsessive, cold, and perhaps even socially/personallly toxic aspects of his personality afforded him.

Even (most, so let's leave the extreme examples of the world like Nazism, etc out of any conversation) simple things in life are not singularly or uni-dimensionally "great" or "horrible".

I bring this up because I, years later, still see a relatively slanted discussion around his cult of personality that seems to revere him as a person and/or discuss his accomplishments without equally acknowledging the full gamut of the impact he had.

It could be argued that Jobs was a major cultural force in other ways, too, like legitimizing and encouragig a culture that incubated Holmes' Theranos. And I hardly blame Jobs for other people's actions or crimes, that's not at all what I am saying, this is, on the other hand, a part of what is a discussion of someone's impact on the world, which Jobs' has had so many incredible, positive, inspiring impacts, too to be fair.

And, that's the reason I'm leaving this comment: every year, around this time, people gather to very selectively engage in cult-like worship of someone alongside a carefully (and intentionally) curated image of the man, who just like all of us, was a human (who led a company that created some incredible things of our time) by a combination of his personal estate, Apple PR, etc.

Without a doubt, celebrating human achievement is wonderful and need not include a full accounting of one's life (one untenable extreme). The other untenable extreme, though, seems to be the norm around here: near idolatry of a man who led a company to produce a product (as innovative as they were) to the exclusion of all else.
 
Where is Apple 11 years after Steve? Did we get any revolutionary product after Steve? When he passed away medias wrote that Steve had left plans for four years of new products.
Did we get any new products which would change an entire industry? Who knows if Apple watch was on that list or not? Or Airpods?
Recent years what we see is even the product designs are looking backwards, like iphones and Macs. Something similar to Steve Jobs said..."You can't connect the dots looking forward; you can only connect them looking backwards."
 
Nah, he’s a con. I literally feel offended when people compare him to Steve jobs.
You are correct in many regards here, Musk is no Jobs (and I say that in a way unflattering to Musk).

I also believe that Jobs had a much more well-polished PR team and set of handlers who were able to polish (and continue to) the much harsher, narcissistic, and unsavory parts of his personality. Musk (and the PR team he claims does not exist but there's a lot of smoke and mirrors there IMO), OTOH, seems to amplify those (and, unfortunately, with the zeitgeist of the times, well, it seems to be working quite well for him...again, I am not holding that out as a nice thing for anyone except him).

I have more respect for Jobs than Musk (that's not hard, I have more respect for many things than the clown that man has decided to turn himself into after a relatively impactful and successful few decades of achievement), but let's also not let the comparison suggest that Jobs doesn't share a lot of the same DNA as Musk, too.
 
“Your time is limited, so don’t waste it living someone else’s life.
Don’t be trapped by dogma - which is living with the results of other people’s thinking.
Don’t let the noise of others’ opinions drown out your own inner voice.”

classic Job's....one of my favorite quotes..
 
I can never forgive Steve. Not because I didn't like what he did with Apple, but because how he left it with Tim and not Jony.

Tim runs Apple like Steve Ballmer used to run Microsoft.. we all know how it ends.
Ah, Johnny “fonts too thin to f’kkn read but in the meantime I’ll leave you with this mouse that charges from the bottom” Ive.

Yeah, nah.
 
Unpopular opinion sure to upset (but that is not my intent): He made an incredible difference in the technology industry. Partially, through what the obsessive, cold, and perhaps even socially/personallly toxic aspects of his personality afforded him.

Even (most, so let's leave the extreme examples of the world like Nazism, etc out of any conversation) simple things in life are not singularly or uni-dimensionally "great" or "horrible".

I bring this up because I, years later, still see a relatively slanted discussion around his cult of personality that seems to revere him as a person and/or discuss his accomplishments without equally acknowledging the full gamut of the impact he had.

It could be argued that Jobs was a major cultural force in other ways, too, like legitimizing and encouragig a culture that incubated Holmes' Theranos. And I hardly blame Jobs for other people's actions or crimes, that's not at all what I am saying, this is, on the other hand, a part of what is a discussion of someone's impact on the world, which Jobs' has had so many incredible, positive, inspiring impacts, too to be fair.

And, that's the reason I'm leaving this comment: every year, around this time, people gather to very selectively engage in cult-like worship of someone alongside a carefully (and intentionally) curated image of the man, who just like all of us, was a human (who led a company that created some incredible things of our time) by a combination of his personal estate, Apple PR, etc.

Without a doubt, celebrating human achievement is wonderful and need not include a full accounting of one's life (one untenable extreme). The other untenable extreme, though, seems to be the norm around here: near idolatry of a man who led a company to produce a product (as innovative as they were) to the exclusion of all else.

And let me add to that, that I hold Jobs singularly responsible for a hundred mediocre sci fi films with sketchy, dystopian “keynote speeches” casually discussing world ending technology made by conspicuously dressed men of forced charisma pacing the stage while templing their hands in front of their sternums.
 
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Witth a touch-enabled desktop OS with inconsistent mobile-inspired UI and ads?
No I meant in general.. how Tim has focused on milking the innovations that Apple did in the past, instead of focusing on consistent innovation.
Even Apple watch was an idea that Apple was working on before Tim became CEO. So technically the only released products that he can stake claim to are the Apple Tag, Apple Pencil, Mac Stand and the Apple Cloth. I know Apple is working on VR set as well but right now I'm not sure many people are really looking forward to it.
 
Apple is working on VR set as well but right now I'm not sure many people are really looking forward to it.
Yeah. if I bought that thing I’d end up having more VR headsets than eyes.

I think most people who wanted VR have already bought in. It feels really odd for Apple to be venturing into something so completely niche.

Apple are usually the ones who wade in to a developing market and shake everything up. VR has all but stagnated these last five years. So unless they know something we don’t…
 
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Yeah. if I bought that thing I’d end up having more VR headsets than eyes.

I think most people who wanted VR have already bought in. It feels really odd for Apple to be venturing into something so completely niche.

Apple are usually the ones who wade in to a developing market and shake everything up. VR has all but stagnated these last five years. So unless they know something we don’t…
Agreed. While I think Apple will most likely knock VR out of the park, it is still very limited at the moment and no one that I've ever talked to wants to strap these things onto their heads for hours at a time on a regular basis. I think VR has a good 5-10 years before it will become mainstream.
 
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This idea that people have, that Steve ran Apple not caring about profit and focusing more on customer satisfaction and innovation and that today’s Apple is a purely profit / greed driven company more akin to what Microsoft was under Balmer, is just complete crap. Steve wanted the same thing Microsoft had achieved in being a dominant and profitable force, with the major difference being Steve understood the need to offer good design and UX, something Microsoft still has not achieved.

Anyone that thinks Apple designs new products based on profit first is a fool. Apple’s product teams are focused on developing products and services that consumers will want and spend their money on.

I'd somewhat agree, although I don't think anyone genuinely argues that Steve was oblivious to profit. If he ever was, I'm pretty sure that the experience at NeXT would have hammered home the fact that the best product in the world is pointless if you don't make money.

I think the argument is that profit maximisation wasn't Steve's primary concern or even objective and that the best way to make money was to not only have a product that people want, but a product that would blow them away. Product design and lineup driven by vision, not spreadsheet.

Anyway, I'm not saying all of that is entirely accurate. There's a lot of esoteric folklore when it comes to Steve, particularly on websites full of Apple enthusiasts, but im sure there's an element of truth in there.

And if you say Apple isn’t producing new or innovative products today, compared to what they offered back when Steve was alive, you’re conveniently forgetting that Apple’s chip development IS years ahead of everyone else and the products you use (iPhone, iPad, Watch, MBP, MBA, etc.) have all been made leaps and bounds better than they were when Steve was still alive because of the developments they’ve made over the past ~5 years.

The incremental advances happening with the iPhone are more a function of the advanced state of personal electronics today. There just isn’t as much left to do BECAUSE these products have advanced so much. Add to that, the fact that because each of Apple’s products are sold in such huge numbers, Apple can’t and won’t take risks with technologies that could be problematic, or that don’t benefit the UX, as they could risk damaging Apple’s overall reputation.

I do think Apple Silicon is a good example for how Apple is both innovative and somewhat without vision.

Apple produced these amazing chips that are incredibly fast, power efficient and run circles around most of the competition. I have an M1 MBA and it's a great product. Quiet. Lasts forever. It's obvious how the M chips allow people to do all kinds of stuff quicker, more efficient etc etc

And then they stick it in an iPad and ... nothing. 17 variations of basically the same product at 62 different price point. The iPad has so much potential and I'm convinced it's being held back because it might cannibalise MacBook sales. Overall, I'm not sure Apple has a clear vision what the iPad is for and it shows.
 
Some would say they miss his magic, others his reality distortion field!

But I miss his stage presence, he was a damn good salesman and presented products in a way to get you excited. I also don't believe he would be targeting profits first as much as Apple does now despite their wealth, and we would have had more innovation, as opposed to incremental updates.
But hey ho it is what it is and I'm still buying Apple products so....

He has given the world the iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch (I think that was developed under him?) and Mac.
I remember the days of Steve's keynotes, it was like waiting for opening day of a movie. I would grab lunch, shut off my phone and watch the entire thing from start to finish live. Now, when there is a release, I barely remember it until later in the day and will either scrub through the video or just read the highlights.
 
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Let’s also take this opportunity to note that Pancreatic Cancer is still a very deadly cancer with relatively little progress being made in the past twenty years. The 5-year survival rate increased to 12% from 11 this year, much in thanks to organizations like PANCAN for raising both awareness, rallying congress for funds and encouraging clinical trial participation. But there is still a bunch of work to be done.

As a family personally blindsided by this cancer as many the majority of people are; please familiarize yourself with the signs and symptoms of this cancer and help spread awareness to others when you can! PANCAN did a focus on Steve Jobs as well last year and his experience.
 
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I remember the days of Steve's keynotes, it was like waiting for opening day of a movie. I would grab lunch, shut off my phone and watch the entire thing from start to finish live. Now, when there is a release, I barely remember it until later in the day and will either scrub through the video or just read the highlights.
Same here.. but it maybe, we are just old(er) :)
 
RIP Steve. The greatest CEO of all time in my opinion. The magic is gone for sure and the keynotes absolutely suck since he passed. Hopefully one day soon the glorified bean counter will step down and they will get a design/product person back in the driver's seat.
I don't see Apple changing.Steve anointed Tim as his successor, Tim will do the same, and Tim will pick someone who has the same mindset as him.
 
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RIP, he was the GOAT and true RL Tony Stark, not this other guy who recently bought a social media platform.
I wouldn't call Steve Jobs the RL Tony Stark but would ask who wants to be that guy? No family. And fiction. Once Steve got settled in profitability, he developed his family and seems to have led a balanced life. Screw Tony Stark... and detached from reality Melon Musk.
 
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And, that's the reason I'm leaving this comment: every year, around this time, people gather to very selectively engage in cult-like worship of someone alongside a carefully (and intentionally) curated image of the man, who just like all of us, was a human (who led a company that created some incredible things of our time) by a combination of his personal estate, Apple PR, etc.

Without a doubt, celebrating human achievement is wonderful and need not include a full accounting of one's life (one untenable extreme). The other untenable extreme, though, seems to be the norm around here: near idolatry of a man who led a company to produce a product (as innovative as they were) to the exclusion of all else.
I lost my WWSD (What Would Steve Do) bracelet and am so sad.
 
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So did everyone else that was over legal age to purchase stocks at that time. Not many did.
I know this or others will imply hindsight being 20/20.

I was corresponding with E*TRADE to open a stock account to just buy $AAPL.

In all seriousness without mocking anyone I was/is a mindless fan boy that LOVE LOVE LOVE the company.

So what better way to get closer to Apple but by buying $AAPL?

Go all in with that many shares.
 
Oh give us a break, the Apple II was twice the price of competing hardware at the time. When the Disk II floppy drive came out it was $695.00. And that was decades before Jony Ive.
You can’t really compare a mature competative market with multiple companies offering comparable hardware and software to the beginnings of the personal computing era, but anyway.
 
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We only appreciate something good after it’s gone
Steve Jobs great as an innovator and understanding need for technology
 
So did everyone else that was over legal age to purchase stocks at that time. Not many did.
I bought in 2008 as well. Don't remember the price but bought and sold, bought and sold many times over on dips and highs. Made enough to pay off my house and car loan. It's been my best purchase EVER!
 
People think of the hardware products that Steve brought to market, but don't forget that he also negotiated the music industry deals to create iTunes. However he did that, by powers of persuasion, charm and charisma, or even threats, he changed the music industry forever.
 
I remember the days of Steve's keynotes, it was like waiting for opening day of a movie. I would grab lunch, shut off my phone and watch the entire thing from start to finish live. Now, when there is a release, I barely remember it until later in the day and will either scrub through the video or just read the highlights.
Yeah...Once I even bought a bag of chips on the way from work to sit and watch keynote during Steve's era. (usually starts at 7pm in Sweden)
Now a days except for iPhone, I don't bother to watch keynote live. And generally keynotes are too boring now a days.
 
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