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Remembering Steve Jobs

tkermit said:
By that measure, he would be even more impressed that Microsoft is a 3.8 trillion dollar company today.
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Microsoft provides the default OS for the vast majority of corporate machines + corporate suites on top of that. I think being a more creative underdog yet still being a similar size is quite impressive.

That said Tesla's apparently the most valuable company in terms of market cap because investors still think it can dominate the entire EV market. I question why given the market's now over-crowded, they're no longer the default option and they've alienated their key demographic.

Things can flip very quickly! Intel's probably an example of that (as is Nvidia).
 
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djgamble said:
Microsoft provides the default OS for the vast majority of corporate machines + corporate suites on top of that. I think being a more creative underdog yet still being a similar size is quite impressive.

That said Tesla's apparently the most valuable company in terms of market cap because investors still think it can dominate the entire EV market. I question why given the market's now over-crowded, they're no longer the default option and they've alienated their key demographic.

Things can flip very quickly! Intel's probably an example of that (as is Nvidia).
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What I was trying to communicate: It is hard to imagine that SJ would have been impressed by any company's market cap whose products suck. Or maybe I'm just projecting.
 
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citysnaps said:
Post the YouTube video.
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Post after post, you sure want everyone to do the work for you. Rhetorical question after rhetorical question, demand of videos, etc. You found your way to the macrumors website, surely you can find the search bar your favorite browser.
 
delsoul said:
Post after post, you sure want everyone to do the work for you. Rhetorical question after rhetorical question, demand of videos, etc. You found your way to the macrumors website, surely you can find the search bar your favorite browser.
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Post after post? Really? I couldn't find the Ive interview referenced.

I simply give more credence when credible sources are provided. Rather than one's personal opinion.

That's perfectly fine with me if you're OK relying on someone's personal opinion.
 
djgamble said:
To be fair I liked some of his 'flops'. For example the G4 Cube is one of my favourite computers and I still have an Apple TV (1st gen) in my den that I use regularly. I view them quite affectionately.
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That's totally fine if you like it. I kind of liked it too (though I didn't own one). The market apparently didn't, along with his many other flops.
 
djgamble said:
To be fair I liked some of his 'flops'. For example the G4 Cube is one of my favourite computers and I still have an Apple TV (1st gen) in my den that I use regularly. I view them quite affectionately.
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It's often like that as time passes. Nostalgia sets in and some old flops get a cult following, whether they're devices, movies, songs… or even people (artists that were ignored during their lifetime and who become "geniuses" after death).
 
H.E. Pennypacker said:
It’s funny how every Apple thread like this turns into Steve Jobs would’ve never let this happen, or Apple died with Steve Jobs. Look, no doubt Steve was a genius and set the bar for product vision and design. But Apple’s strength was never just one man. Jobs himself famously said, “I hire people smarter than me so they can tell me what to do.” Tim Cook was handpicked by Steve, not by accident, but because he knew Apple needed operational excellence to scale the kind of innovation he started. And guess what? Under Cook, Apple became a multi-trillion-dollar company that now builds its own chips and redefined wearables while still making massive impacts in the iPhone category.

So yeah, Steve made an impact but pretending Apple’s a mess now because he’s gone is like saying Disney stopped being creative after Walt died. The founder laid the blueprint the company built the empire.
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its not about intelligence. Its about vision. All corporates have smart people working for them, yet almost all have products that suck on hardware or software side of things. Steve had a talent to know what to make and HOW to make it.

OS X , iPod, iPhone, iPad were all visions of Steves. Even if competitors come with the product first its never as good as Steve's implementation (iPod vs Zune, iPad vs HP Compaq tablet , iPhone vs Nokia Navigator). More importantly on the software side of things, not hardware, because no matter how much higher specs Samsungs jams into their phones , Android will not be iOS (the reason people buy iPhones).

Steve jobs "humanized" computers, from machines to appliances. "it just works!"
 
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Jeeve Stubbs said:
It's often like that as time passes. Nostalgia sets in and some old flops get a cult following, whether they're devices, movies, songs… or even people (artists that were ignored during their lifetime and who become "geniuses" after death).
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It is but equally... I owned a cube for many years and loved it.

There was a myth that they overheated and I got mine cheaply as it was returned for 'overheating' issues. This is partly why it flopped. People did all sorta of things to stop it 'turning off' like storing it on its side and having industrial sized fans next to it. They had no fan so it was just assumed that this MUST be 'overheating'. MUST! (And that putting it on its side somehow improved heat efficiency rather than covering the power button with a shadow, more on that soon).

The fix? You can google it... slip a small square of baking paper on top of the light sensor used as the on button (inside the case so a 100% clean fix). The light sensor was too sensitive, so would register false 'off' signals. Baking paper reduced the sensitivity.

There's nostalgia and then there's lived experiences. I validly still think the G4 Cube (one of Steve's pet products) was an excellent computer. Pity Apple didn't just do a recall, fix the power button and release a 2.0 in my opinion.
 
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Still crazy to me that my son was born around the same hour that Jobs died. The morning started with crazy and vividly remember hearing about Steve in the background while my wife was fighting the good fight.
 
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weanderson said:
I registered with MacRumours primarilt to post this comment:

It is great to remember the foresight and brilliance of Steve Jobs in his vision for Apple Mac computers and the iPhone.

However it is sad and greatly disappointing that the vast majority of Apple owners and indeed several Apple journals and forums did not - in Jobs remembrance give great credit to both Ken Thompson and Dennis Richie of Bell Labs who created the UNIX Operating System (OS) and C programming language, without which there would be no modern great Apple technology.


A shout out to these incredible geniuses along with praise of Jobs is more than appropriate.


The severe lack of knowledge amoung most Americans on critical moments in history, particularly with technology innovation makes for a more mediocre society.
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Ritchie and Thompson get plenty of respect, but I don't think they really need a shout-out at a Job's memorial.

Jobs stood on a lot of shoulders so the list would be too long to even get into if you start doing that, and honestly I would think Steve Wozniak, Jef Raskin, Burrell Smith, Bill Atkinson, and Andy Hertzfeld (and I'm probably leaving out a multitude) should probably get the shout-out before Ritchie and Thompson, as those two didn't really become a large part of the equation of Apple until Jobs returned with NextStep 20 years into Apple's history, did they? Sure BSD is a huge part of Mac OS now, but to state "no great Apple technology" without UNIX or Objective C completely excludes Apple's hardware development that is at least equal to their software development.

Just my opinion on a tangential issue, but I found it sad to see the early Mac team that actually created the Mac's distinction from UNIX CLIs of the time forgotten in your post.
 
djgamble said:
Microsoft provides the default OS for the vast majority of corporate machines + corporate suites on top of that. I think being a more creative underdog yet still being a similar size is quite impressive.

That said Tesla's apparently the most valuable company in terms of market cap because investors still think it can dominate the entire EV market. I question why given the market's now over-crowded, they're no longer the default option and they've alienated their key demographic.

Things can flip very quickly! Intel's probably an example of that (as is Nvidia).
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Last I checked Tesla's market cap was around 1.5T, which is less than half that of Apple (3.8T), Microsoft (3.9T) , or NVidia (4.5T, which is insane to me, and really makes me think there is an AI bubble as big as the tulip bubble!)
 
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neomorpheus said:
with all the crap that MS is pulling and doing wrong, there are millions of people and thousands of corporations that would love to jump fully into a Mac world, but Timmy Apple prefers to fleece us with horrendous upgrade prices and having engineers going out of their way to make Macs as locked down and anti-upgrade possible instead of bringing back Apple Servers and proper Active Directory alternatives to those that want it.

How the hell a Mac Mini stock goes from 499 to almost 1K just because you added a bit more of ram and storage?

And why that damned storage is so locked down that you cannot use off the shelf parts to replace them?

Yes, I know, third party are available, but because of their proprietary nature, are still more expensive that regular SSDs'.

Personally, I think that Tim needs to be replaced, he is holding Apple back.
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Hear hear!

Totally agree on all of this.
The upgrade price gouging is out of control.

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MacBH928 said:
its not about intelligence. Its about vision. All corporates have smart people working for them, yet almost all have products that suck on hardware or software side of things. Steve had a talent to know what to make and HOW to make it.

OS X , iPod, iPhone, iPad were all visions of Steves. Even if competitors come with the product first its never as good as Steve's implementation (iPod vs Zune, iPad vs HP Compaq tablet , iPhone vs Nokia Navigator). More importantly on the software side of things, not hardware, because no matter how much higher specs Samsungs jams into their phones , Android will not be iOS (the reason people buy iPhones).

Steve jobs "humanized" computers, from machines to appliances. "it just works!"
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Exactly! IMO the term intelligence is pretty loaded anyway as it describes a person’s capacity to think rather than their actions.

Regardless of how “intelligent” he was, Jobs was clearly influential in the consumer tech space.

I’d argue he surrounded himself with highly capable people and pushed them to create products with genuine breakthrough appeal. This was timely as he did it during an era that was otherwise full of clever but often impractical designs. He was less the engineer and more the catalyst... the person who fused creativity, design and marketing into something that regular people actually wanted to use.
 
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There are lucky people that land on places with the correct support.

Jobs was not able to hold a well, a job because of his antics.

When he was at Atari, they moved him to a separate area because of his actions.

Someone like that today would not be tolerated.

He was extremely lucky in meeting The Woz and yes, his salesman blood did help a lot in creating apple.

But if he was employee number 20, for example, chances are, nobody would had put up with his attitude and behavior, regardless of his salesman talents.

Anyways, all this panned this way, its done and we are all here.
 
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