Remembering Steve Jobs

[MrENGLISH]

Definitely true. Though I have a feeling, Steve left a very long road map of products and strategies for Tim to follow, otherwise why would Steve have appointed such a linear thinker.

I also don’t think Tim followed the road map as planned.​

The question that sticks in my head is, why would Steve have chosen somebody so opposite himself to lead? Unless he anticipated Johnny Ive being a strong leader to assist in the plan.

Tim Cook’s narrow-mindedness and a lack of vision led to Johnny’s exit. I doubt Steve saw that coming.

The first hint of that was when he fired Scott Forstall.

Cook's strength has always been in logistics. I don't doubt for a second that he is the reason the M1 Pro, Max, and Ultra are designed in a way to cut down on waste and make use of manufacturing defects. Being able to take a faulty Ultra chip and cut it in half to make it into a usable Max chip or to take that a step further and cut a faulty Max chip and make it into a usable Pro chip was absolutely brilliant thinking.

I haven't really followed the designs of the M2/3/4 Pro/Max/Ultra chipset designs but I would assume they still follow a similar manufacturing design that allows them to cut down on waste.

Unfortunately, his lack of vision and direction outside of logistics really shows and makes Apple look like they are falling behind the competition. Not to mention he comes across as greedy with the way products and options are priced.

I really think it is time for a new CEO with a real vision for products to take over. Let Cook do what he does best, oversee logistics.

 

[thiscatisfat]

Exactly Peter Drucker 101.

No he’s not.

No he’s not.

Do you believe the iPhone 4s was leaps and bounds ahead of the 4? Similar to what you are claiming Cook does.

You mean forgetting about the jobs flops and missteps.

That’s not correct.

And yet Steve did just that. The world has changed and the Steve RDF is in effect unfortunately.

The 4S? Bro. When was the last time you used a 4S with 4 side by side? I've got both of them right here, and the 4S is just so much better than the 4 even if it was meant to be an incremental upgrade. The difference in performance between a 4 and 4S feels like the jump between normal 12 and a 14 Pro in today's terms, the 4S is just so much better than the 4, they look the same but the performance difference between the two is just massive. Look at the massive leaps from 3GS to 4S to 5, all within 4 years. Look at the last 4 years of the phablet they call the "iPhone" today. The thing hasn't really changed much since iPhone 10, maybe 12. And don't come at me with it being a "mature product", it's never been a mature product and the competition has overtaken Apple's iPhone long time ago. You can't attribute the innovations in chips to Cook, that's not his work, he did absolutely nothing to claim a credit for those. He didn't push innovation, ever. He pushed VALUE of the company above everything else, he's a pure numbers person. Like how can you say he's not milking the legacy of the old Apple, that's literally why he was chosen to be a CEO, because he's good as this sort of a thing

Yes I keep forgetting because the things he did right outshine the things he did wrong, that's why people remember him this way. What will you remember from Cook? Artificially bloated market value? The weird "vision pro" (brutal flop) that nobody really wants? The AI flop? Definitely the "GOOD MORNING!". Give me a break. Apple under Cook became boring to say the least. Absolutely boring. Ive in he's interview explained pretty much spot on how Cook's leadership killed the spark at Apple, it just became a traditional old corporate people grinder. As I said before, a simple packaging of a DVD released under Jobs had more magic than anything Apple offers today.

 

[delsoul]

If you think this HOT GARBAGE software quality would be getting released under Steve, you're sorely mistaken.

Steve would have cleared house and sent the Software team packing a LONG time ago. None of this 3rd, 4th, infinite chances to keep screwing things up and making it worse. That’s why Apple products were the absolute best because it was as much perfection as possible, no compromises. Not just ios 26, but even the iPad, computer, etc releases of 26 have all been atrocious. That’s not an accident or off chance, that’s just a horrible software team. Steve would have had zero mercy on such shoddy work, rightfully so.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Steve would have cleared house and sent the Software team packing a LONG time ago. None of this 3rd, 4th, infinite chances to keep screwing things up and making it worse. That’s why Apple products were the absolute best because it was as much perfection as possible, no compromises. Not just ios 26, but even the iPad, computer, etc releases of 26 have all been atrocious. That’s not an accident or off chance, that’s just a horrible software team. Steve would have had zero mercy on such shoddy work, rightfully so.

100%

None of what they are releasing would have even been seen by the public.

It's that poorly done.

Steve got personally involved and was relentless. Tim just doesn't seem to actually care and even if he does, he seems to lack the skill set and sense of taste to know what's good/great/ready/needs more work/wrong direction, etc.

 

[I7guy]

The 4S? Bro. Have you used the 4S and the 4 as of late? I have, I've got both of them right here, and the 4S is just so much better than the 4 even if it was meant to be an incremental upgrade. Look at the massive leaps from 3GS to 4S to 5, all within 4 years.

Bro. They aren’t massive leaps they are incremental improvements. The 4 to the 4s was the same incremental improvement as the 6 to the 6s.

Look at the last 4 years of the phablet they call the "iPhone" today. The thing hasn't really changed much since iPhone 10, maybe 12.

It’s changed dramatically. Have you reviewed the release notes? A form factor change is not really a change.

And don't come at me with it being a "mature product", it's never been a mature product and the competition has overtaken Apple's iPhone long time ago.

That’s incorrect.

You can't attribute the innovations in chips to Cook, that's not his work, he did absolutely nothing to claim a credit for those. He didn't push innovation, ever. He pushed VALUE of the company above everything else, he's a pure numbers person. Like how can you say he's not milking the legacy of the old Apple, that's literally why he was chosen to be a CEO, because he's good as this sort of a thing

The above is hyperbole.

Yes I keep forgetting because the things he did right outshine the things he did wrong, that's why people remember him this way.

Same with Cook. He’s done more things right than wrong.

What will you remember from Cook? Artificially bloated market value?

Grown apples footprint. Wearables. M series and more.

The weird "vision pro" (brutal flop) that nobody really wants? The AI flop?

Antenna gate for jobs and others.

Definitely the "GOOD MORNING!". Give me a break. Apple under Cook became boring to say the least. Absolutely boring. Ive in he's interview explained pretty much spot on how Cook's leadership killed the spark at Apple, it just became a traditional old corporate people grinder. As I said before, a simple packaging of a DVD released under Jobs had more magic than anything Apple offers today.

You’re entitled to your opinion that’s not generally shared except at the microcosm known as MacRumors.

 

[I7guy]

Steve would have cleared house and sent the Software team packing a LONG time ago. None of this 3rd, 4th, infinite chances to keep screwing things up and making it worse. That’s why Apple products were the absolute best because it was as much perfection as possible, no compromises. Not just ios 26, but even the iPad, computer, etc releases of 26 have all been atrocious. That’s not an accident or off chance, that’s just a horrible software team. Steve would have had zero mercy on such shoddy work, rightfully so.

I love the WWSD. (What would Steve do). As if reality says anything will change. But an interesting thought experiment.

 

[thiscatisfat]

Bro. They aren’t massive leaps they are incremental improvements. The 4 to the 4s was the same incremental improvement as the 6 to the 6s.

It’s changed dramatically. Have you reviewed the release notes? A form factor change is not really a change.

That’s incorrect.

The above is hyperbole.

Same with Cook. He’s done more things right than wrong.

Grown apples footprint. Wearables. M series and more.

Antenna gate for jobs and others.

You’re entitled to your opinion that’s not generally shared except at the microcosm known as MacRumors.

You may just as well be one of those who see the new iPhone Air and iOS 26 and be like hell yeah, can't innovate my ass. But nothing you said so far would convince me that Apple today is better than Apple under Jobs. And that's a sentiment not only shared here on the forums, but among the staff and long-term fans as well.

 

[citysnaps]

Steve got personally involved and was relentless. Tim just doesn't seem to actually care and even if he does, he seems to lack the skill set and sense of taste to know what's good/great/ready/needs more work/wrong direction, etc.

Curious... Do you have any idea of what Craig Federighi's, John Ternus', and Jeff Williams' roles/duties are at Apple?

Hint: The first is SVP of Software Engineering. The second is SVP of Hardware Engineering. The third is SVP of Design.

 

[thiscatisfat]

Curious... Do you have any idea of what Craig Federighi's and John Ternus' roles/duties are at Apple?

Hint: The first is SVP of Software Engineering. The second is SVP of Hardware Engineering.

Federighi has made a really good name for himself with OS X Mavericks, literally the last properly polished OS X release ever. I trusted him. But Cook, no matter who the VPs were, would enforce an environment of "collective" work rather than a single individual having the definitive say in things. This lead to chaos. Right now it doesn't really matter who the VP is, that's why you see a bunch of random people trying to sell you the new thing for an hour of pre-recorded keynote/ad straight, and it's mostly different people every year not sure if you've noticed. It doesn't even matter what Federighi or Ternus want at this point. Apple has a high turnover rate, people come and go, everything is delivered rushed and half-baked, nobody really know what is being worked on and it's just...weird. People leave for other companies because it's just chaos.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Right now it doesn't really matter who the VP is, that's why you see a bunch of random people trying to sell you the new thing for an hour of pre-recorded keynote/ad straight.

The whiplash we all get from one presenter after another after another after another after another in each keynote* has become a running joke




*prerecorded AD

 

[citysnaps]

Federighi has made a really good name for himself with OS X Mavericks, literally the last properly polished OS X release ever. I trusted him. But Cook, no matter who the VPs were, would enforce an environment of "collective" work rather than a single individual having the definitive say in things. This lead to chaos. Right now it doesn't really matter who the VP is, that's why you see a bunch of random people trying to sell you the new thing for an hour of pre-recorded keynote/ad straight, and it's mostly different people every year not sure if you've noticed. It doesn't even matter what Federighi or Ternus want at this point. Apple has a high turnover rate, people come and go, everything is delivered rushed and half-baked, nobody really know what is being worked on and it's just...weird. People leave for other companies because it's just chaos.

That's quite a story. Can you post a few *credible* sources corroborating your assertions?

 

[citysnaps]

The whiplash we all get from one presenter after another after another after another after another in each keynote* has become a running joke




*prerecorded AD

In the large scheme of things and with Apple's massive success... does the manner in which Apple introduces products, whether live or prerecorded, make any difference at all? Other than making one nostalgic for "the good old days?" A trope many still cling to.

Apple still has 1+ Billion active and repeat customers making it one of the most successful consumer tech companies in the world. And manufactures/sells roughly 600,000 iPhones per day (on the average), every day of the year.

 

[weanderson]

I registered with MacRumours primarilt to post this comment:
It is great to remember the foreight and brilliance of Steve Jobs in his vision for Apple Mac computers and the iPhone.

However it is sad and greatly disappointing that the vast majority of Apple owners and indeed several Apple journals and forums did not - in Jobs remembrance give great credit to both Ken Thompson and Dennis Richie of Bell Labs who created the UNIX Operating System (OS) and C programming language, without which there would be no modern great Apple technology.

A shout out to these incredible geniuses along with praise of Jobs is more than appropriate.

The severe lack of knowledge amoung most Americans on critical monents in history, particularly with technology innovation makes for a more mediocre society.

 

[citysnaps]

I registered with MacRumours primarilt to post this comment:
It is great to remember the foreight and brilliance of Steve Jobs in his vision for Apple Mac computers and the iPhone.

However it is sad and greatly disappointing that the vast majority of Apple owners and indeed several Apple journals and forums did not - in Jobs remembrance give great credit to both Ken Thompson and Dennis Richie of Bell Labs who created the UNIX Operating System (OS) and C programming language, without which there would be no modern great Apple technology.

A shout out to these incredible geniuses along with praise of Jobs is more than appropriate.

The severe lack of knowledge amoung most Americans on critical monents in history, particularly with technology innovation makes for a more mediocre society.

I would also add the research and work done by scientists/engineers at Xerox PARC in Palo Alto, and SRI in Menlo Park. Without them, there would be no Macintosh - at least at that point in time.

 

[Sowelu]

The passing of Jobs was truly a huge loss for the world and for the tech industry, and a slow hit to Apple, unless you measure success only by dollars and cents. One can't help but think 'what could've been' had he survived, as with so many others who were taken too soon. Sadly, this is a long list.

Some tech moguls who used to look up to Jobs have became the corporate shills that he used to call out, but with far greater control and influence. There isn't much different between the stuffed suits from 'Big Blue' of yore to the billionaire geeks in t-shirts and jeans today who's high on their own supply of unchecked consolidated power and wealth, which has and will continue to result in irresponsible behaviors.

As (many) companies grow into behemoths and at alarming rates, they and their CEOs are becoming caricatures of who and what they once were. This seems to be the biggest trend that no one in the tech media space talks about. I miss the days when 'thinking different' wasn't hindered by greed, which always comes at the expense of something. Sure, Jobs could've fell into the same pit as most others, but I'd like to think that he'd stay true to himself, and Apple.

 

[turbineseaplane]

The passing of Jobs was truly a huge loss for the world and for the tech industry, and a slow hit to Apple, unless you measure success only by dollars and cents. One can't help but think 'what could've been' had he survived, as with so many others who were taken too soon. Sadly, this is a long list.

Some tech moguls who used to look up to Jobs have became the corporate shills that he used to call out, but with far greater control and influence. There isn't much different between the stuffed suits from 'Big Blue' of yore to the billionaire geeks in t-shirts and jeans today who's high on their own supply of unchecked consolidated power and wealth, which has and will continue to result in irresponsible behaviors.

As (many) companies grow into behemoths and at alarming rates, they and their CEOs are becoming caricatures of who and what they once were. This seems to be the biggest trend that no one in the tech media space talks about. I miss the days when 'thinking different' wasn't hindered by greed, which always comes at the expense of something. Sure, Jobs could've fell into the same pit as most others, but I'd like to think that he'd stay true to himself, and Apple.

Brilliant post 👏

The list of leaders of companies (or governments!) that have any moral fiber and are guided by principles has become shockingly small.

 

[citysnaps]

Brilliant post 👏

The list of leaders of companies (or governments!) that have any moral fiber and are guided by principles has become shockingly small.

Curious... would you happen to be asserting that Apple's leadership (including SVPs) is lacking in moral fiber and principles?

 

[Brighton Apple Guy]

What doesn't work properly or isn't finished? Can you give specific examples of Apple products that are not working as they are designed to work?

I'm talking at a software level. Hardware they do excel at. Software quality is extremely poor.

The thing is, you can have the most amazing iPhone hardware ever, but without high quality software the device isn't high quality. If you're locking your devices into only running 1 OS, it has to be $h1t hot.

 

[thiscatisfat]

That's quite a story. Can you post a few *credible* sources corroborating your assertions?

What is a *credible* source in this context? Some of it was publicly said by Jony Ive as well in one of his latest interviews, is that credible enough?

 

[I7guy]

You may just as well be one of those who see the new iPhone Air and iOS 26 and be like hell yeah, can't innovate my ass. But nothing you said so far would convince me that Apple today is better than Apple under Jobs. And that's a sentiment not only shared here on the forums, but among the staff and long-term fans as well.

There are probably hundreds of millions of customers who don’t have this emotional baggage.

 

[Lioness~]

The whiplash we all get from one presenter after another after another after another after another in each keynote* has become a running joke




*prerecorded AD

Just don't watch them - unless you happens to need something ASAP.

I'm more happy with Apple when I don't give them more time and attention then I want.
You can read what all hypes are about, shortly on Macrumors - packaged and nicely delivered.

 

[thiscatisfat]

There are probably hundreds of millions of customers who don’t have this emotional baggage.

And you’re entitled to be that way. The rest of us just prefer to think different 😊

 

[thiscatisfat]

Curious... would you happen to be asserting that Apple's leadership (including SVPs) is lacking in moral fiber and principles?

Just look at the egoistic f u almost mocking confidence with which Joswiak said “you wanted fun colors, how about orange”. Disgusting if you ask me. Jobs would have humbled him pretty fast if he even lasted that long under him.