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You should not be wearing your headphones when driving, it's illegal and dangerous.


Dangerous? Possibly. But why do people keep saying this is illegal? It may or may not be depending on where you live. Where I live, wearing a pair of earbuds while driving is completely legal.
 
Thanks for calling me dumb, in what I was otherwise hoping would be a more constructive arguement. Seriously, you can stay over there in youre box, whilst the rest of us move on with optimism.

1) It's not a dumb reason to give, if the alternative is better / faster / more convenient / has added features. Yes we will get rid of wheels / buttons and crowns on watches when a new input method is created that is BETTER - this is how the evolution of products works.

2) Yes I did neglect to say that the lightening port costs a fee, but hey no other manufacturer is doing this so Apple is only slightly better than the others at being bad at sharing their standards.

3) You CAN use wireless headphones with all of your devices....? Also - wireless headphones more commonly than not come with a cable as I described in my post.

4) They didnt mention water resistance for the reason for removing the 3.5mm jack unless I missed that. Besides the Samsung devices that do have a 3.5mm plug are "water resistant" but they all let water in, in tests...

5) Stupid to make an arguement based on things that may or may not happen so I cant comment on this.

Scheinberg applied to be a technical support guy, IT people know that even these guys arent really technical people. They are more sales based, which is why he didnt get the job - end of.

I called the reasons dumb and Your arguments weak (and I stand by that) but You obviously missed that... that's what happens when people take criticism of Apple (in this case Schiller, Riccio and Joswiak) like a personal attack.

1) There is no better alternative:
"better" as in what? More convenient? Perhaps, Better sound? Depends on the DAC but overall Wireless Bluetooth Headphones has a bad reputation (because they should like sh*t) and there is currently nothing in the overall standard that remedy the situation. But hey: "Bluetooth, next year it will be great!"
"faster" In what way - in general the move to plug in headphones takes me about 2-3 seconds, same the other way.
"more convenient" again perhaps, depends on Your situation - when owning several sets of wired headphones it does not sound very convenient, but You might have different standards...

2) That was not the point, the point was that creating products for the 3.5mm jack takes no licensing fees, no legal negotiations and it is not subject to change because Tim wants more money to pay his tax bills. The overall point is that moving to a proprietary standard generally works out better for the company and less for the consumer.

3) I can use wireless headphones if said device has wireless capability, yes - but not all does, and some of them has older versions of bluetooth that really makes me want to avoid wireless altogether. So Your argument here is that going from 100% compatibility to 60% is "better" - in what way?

4) Why not start out by reading the article: "Even better, removing the audio jack also eliminated a key point of ingress that Riccio says helped the new iPhone finally meet the IP7 water resistance spec Apple has been after for years (resistant when immersed under 1 meter of water for 30 minutes)."

5) Ok, so read Your own postings also when You're at it: "I think the nice clean design of the new iphone is great, and I cant wait for the iPhone8 when its rumoured to wireless charging as well - eliminating the use for the lightening port. I'm looking forward to having a device(s) that has just 1 button (power!) or maybe even no buttons at all."

Schiller said (right there on stage) that Lightning was made for audio - if Apple implements wireless charging and thus eliminates the need for Lightning, why the hell push for Lightning connected headphones, even as an interim solution, that just comes off has stupid and user hostile. But again... You brought it up...

Scheinberg applied to sit at the genius-bar, so You are saying that Scheinberg wasn't smart enough and that the genius-bar is really just an overrated bar full of sales people?
 
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good riddance
Same as VGA connectors. Get 'em out of here.

Personally I haven't used a set of wired headphones in about 2 years. I have a pretty god pair of B&W headphones and since getting a bluetooth set of lesser quality, I haven't had the B&W's on my head once.

I can also think of zero times that I've needed to charge my phone while listening to headphones.

What else am I going to do? Get upset about that? Not worth it.
 
I hate the assumption that because it's been around for hundreds of years it's out of date and needs to go. Apple are wrong. Their wireless solutions are a walled garden of apple only devices and don't play with any other devices. If you can keep to lighting jack which is clearly outdated and replaced by USB type c and can Still maintain water resistance but not with a 3.5mm jack! That's called straight up lying!

The fact that any Bluetoooth headphones will work means your arguement is factually wrong and therefore invalid.
 
I was talking about battery life, I wasn't alluding to screen resolution. Can we get back to the topic? Battery life unit is in hours/minutes, unit of time. Restate your response again with the time unit.

And battery life is the first aspect discussed in my comment. I already stated that the difference is 5% implying that the user you replied to was incorrect regarding the battery life. It's 90 hours for the Note 7 and 85 for the 6 Plus. Would you prefer the time units in minutes and milliseconds aswell? cause they surely make a huge difference lol.
 
If you carry a RMB and iPhone 7 you will need to carry how many adapters?

1 lightning to 3.5mm female for headphones to your iPhone.
1 lightning to 3.5mm with charging passthrough will be Big (could replace one above)
1 lightning to 3.5mm male for earpods to your RMB
1 usbc to lightning to plug your iPhone into your RMB
1 usbc to usba to plug in any usb device
1-? usbc to anything else you need to plug into your RMB
1 lightning to usba for using it as a media device to share files and what not. Oh.. Nevermind..

I'm sure someone will sell you an absurdly overpriced Apple specific cord holder to carry all that though.
 
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Apple removed the Jack because it is non-proprietary. Owning hardware interfaces is another profit opportunity.
 
Something tells me there is more to it than what we are just seeing on the surface, and there is a FUTURE reason why they removed the jack that is something they cannot talk about obviously.
This is just a guess of course but their explanation as to why they had to remove it doesn't make too much sense. They could of just made the casing a tiny bit larger if it was because they needed more room .
So I think there is something up with this removal. We'll have to see of course.

You sure are trusting. I am operating under the assumption that if Cook's lips are moving he's lying.
 
My question is how well do the fit in the ear and how good they sound? I haven't used their ear buds in years because there was better sounding stuff out there.

Even if they sound decent and that's probably all you'll get, the aesthetics falls short. I hardly see anyone wearing a Bluetooth earpiece these days and one of the reasons is it made that person look like an obnoxious douche. Now, imagine a person with a matching set of white tech "earrings" or mini blow dryers hanging from their ears. I'm sure Apple or someone else will try to improve on the "look" and it could be that just releasing a different color like black might do the trick, at least to reduce the chances of people getting a good laugh at your expense.
 
They should have kept it. Apples excuse for removing are LIES! Anyone with half a brain can execute a simple Google search that will reveal a plethora of devices that do exactly what Apple claims can't be done, have a 3.5 mm port with a high degree of water resistance.

Waterproofing a 3.5mm port has already been done which makes Cook and Apple liars. However, they're not simply liars, they're powerful liars hellbent on profiteering.
Apple didn't claim water resistance couldn't be done without removing the headphone jack. It's the poorly written MR article that is giving you that impression.

Apple said they could make better tradeoffs in the design of the phone. That included eliminating one of the points of ingress for water, but that was hardly the only (or main) reason.

(Though, I will point out, water resistance isn't a simple binary property where a device either meets a certain rating or it doesn't. The ratings exist so that it's possible to understand and compare water resistance but they greatly simplify things. Particular seals can be better or worse at the time the device ships and can degrade more or less over time as they are exposed to various kinds of stress and substances. This is important because every real-world exposure event is different and inherently unpredictable. You don't have to remove the audio jack to achieve any particular rating, but removing a point of ingress does improve the water resistance of the phone. The fact is, there are some number of people who will, after having experienced an exposure event, will continue to have a functioning phone that otherwise would not have if the jack hadn't been removed. It would be very unlikely that they would know it, but it will happen nevertheless.)
 
My Galaxy S7 is water and dust resistant, with an IP68 rating, meaning it can handle being underwater at a slightly greater depth (1.5 meters) for thirty minutes than the iPhone 7's IP67 rating, which is good for only up to thirty minutes at 1 meter.

Oh, and it has a headphone jack.

'Courage' my ass.

I think Cook tried to pull the Jedi Mind Trick on us. It worked on most people but not us.
 
I think Jobs tried to pull the Jedi Mind Trick on us. It worked on most people but not us.
what are taling about it always works on apple fanboys. people still bought the 6s+ and that thing is almost the size of plasma tv at home.
 
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uhh last time i checked bluetooth it's also "non-proprietary".

Do you really think Apple won't end up getting rid of those bulky bluetooth and wifi antennas some day so they can replace them with their much better and magically expensive Apple built solutions? Their removing all cables from all their products slowly but surely. Do you think they wont try to out do all the wireless standards some day with their own? They currently use both bluetooth and wifi for proper functioning of the iwatch. I bet this headphone standard will be used on a future iwatch to get rid of all other wireless components so they can have just this one and so they can tell a story about how getting rid of all those antennas helped them make a thinner watch that just was not possible to do before they got rid of those pesky open standards components.
 
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Apple didn't claim water resistance couldn't be done without removing the headphone jack. It's the poorly written MR article that is giving you that impression.

Apple said they could make better tradeoffs in the design of the phone. That included eliminating one of the points of ingress for water, but that was hardly the only (or main) reason.

(Though, I will point out, water resistance isn't a simple binary property where a device either meets a certain rating or it doesn't. The ratings exist so that it's possible to understand and compare water resistance but they greatly simplify things. Particular seals can be better or worse at the time the device ships and can degrade more or less over time as they are exposed to various kinds of stress and substances. This is important because every real-world exposure event is different and inherently unpredictable. You don't have to remove the audio jack to achieve any particular rating, but removing a point of ingress does improve the water resistance of the phone. The fact is, there are some number of people who will, after having experienced an exposure event, will continue to have a functioning phone that otherwise would not have if the jack hadn't been removed. It would be very unlikely that they would know it, but it will happen nevertheless.)

These are not the droids you're looking for...
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Do you really think Apple won't end up getting rid of those bulky bluetooth and wifi antennas some day so they can replace them with their much better and magically expensive Apple built solutions? Their removing all cables from all their products slowly but surely. Do you think they wont try to out do all the wireless standards some day with their own? They currently use both bluetooth and wifi for proper functioning of the iwatch. I bet this headphone standard will be used on a future iwatch to get rid of all other wireless components so they can have just this one and so they can tell a story about how getting rid of all those antennas helped them make a thinner watch that just was not possible to do before they got rid of those pesky open standards components.

It definitely seems plausible.
 
Do you really think Apple won't end up getting rid of those bulky bluetooth and wifi antennas some day so they can replace them with their much better and magically expensive Apple built solutions? Their removing all cables from all their products slowly but surely. Do you think they wont try to out do all the wireless standards some day with their own? They currently use both bluetooth and wifi for proper functioning of the iwatch. I bet this headphone standard will be used on a future iwatch to get rid of all other wireless components so they can have just this one and so they can tell a story about how getting rid of all those antennas helped them make a thinner watch that just was not possible to do before they got rid of those pesky open standards components.
lol... apple gets rid of the jack and now you think they were the first to do it. new flash other cell phone makers did it first apple is just doing what apple always does, which is jump on the bandwagon.
 
My problem is they have the same design as the earbuds which I have to continually keep from falling out of my ears. With wired ones not nearly as risky as $150 that can actually fall away and never be seen again.

Well, there was a woman online who tried them and she shook her head, danced around and in general tried to see if they would fall out. They didn't, but it's possible her ears might be a matter match for keeping them in place. Unfortunately, you won't know until you try them. I'm curious what happens to them when people return them, given how they're used in the ear.
 
well apple did say that they got rid of the jack to make it water proof. so i guess it kinda means you can use your iphone and buds in water? otherwise what would be the point. phones are already waterproof without removing the jack.
 
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"Courage." Ok, I get it. Then I guess we can look forward to all-SSD configurations with the next iterations of the iMac and Mac Mini. o_O
 
Dangerous? Possibly. But why do people keep saying this is illegal? It may or may not be depending on where you live. Where I live, wearing a pair of earbuds while driving is completely legal.

Here is a state-by-state listing by AAA.

http://drivinglaws.aaa.com/tag/headsets/

Seems about 50/50. I personally wouldn't wear headphones, I think it would be a distraction plus there is a good chance you won't hear noises around you like horns, sirens, etc.
 
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