iPhone 6(S)/Plus Replaced Battery. Modified Meh.

[Bazza1]

I had my battery replaced yesterday.
My Battery settings had already let me know that it needed servicing before the current brouhaha (though the argument that a device that cost as much as it does then needs a component replaced after a little over 2 years of use is going to be one for the courts or consumer protection laws to debate), and so I went for it.

Am I seeing a marked improvement in how the phone operates? If I was concerned about milliseconds or doing some heavy video editing on it, maybe I would - but frankly, I don't see it.
Meanwhile, leaving settings as they were prior to the swap-out and doing the things I normally do with it, yes, a fresh battery has helped. 8 hours unplugged at this stage and at 48%. I was getting to 20% within 4 hours before - if it wasn't jumping back and forth between 20 - 50%, depending on its mood. Still, not brilliant - but I'll generously blame the bluetooth connection to my Martian watch and on Wi-fi - much everything else (Location Services, for example), turned off / when in use for most apps .

Worth the replacement - at this price, certainly cheaper than a new iPhone (as the lawsuits point out) - the original price made me consider some lower end, but well-reviewed, Androids instead - but only time will tell if this 'does the trick' and lasts as long as I choose to use the device.

 

[s2smooth4u]

I had my battery replaced yesterday.
My Battery settings had already let me know that it needed servicing before the current brouhaha (though the argument that a device that cost as much as it does then needs a component replaced after a little over 2 years of use is going to be one for the courts or consumer protection laws to debate), and so I went for it.

Am I seeing a marked improvement in how the phone operates? If I was concerned about milliseconds or doing some heavy video editing on it, maybe I would - but frankly, I don't see it.
Meanwhile, leaving settings as they were prior to the swap-out and doing the things I normally do with it, yes, a fresh battery has helped. 8 hours unplugged at this stage and at 48%. I was getting to 20% within 4 hours before - if it wasn't jumping back and forth between 20 - 50%, depending on its mood. Still, not brilliant - but I'll generously blame the bluetooth connection to my Martian watch and on Wi-fi - much everything else (Location Services, for example), turned off / when in use for most apps .

Worth the replacement - at this price, certainly cheaper than a new iPhone (as the lawsuits point out) - the original price made me consider some lower end, but well-reviewed, Androids instead - but only time will tell if this 'does the trick' and lasts as long as I choose to use the device.

I have a 6 and I tempted to replace my battery as well, but i wonder if a restore would help performance...

 

[Mlrollin91]

I had my battery replaced yesterday.
My Battery settings had already let me know that it needed servicing before the current brouhaha (though the argument that a device that cost as much as it does then needs a component replaced after a little over 2 years of use is going to be one for the courts or consumer protection laws to debate), and so I went for it.

I stopped reading here.

All batteries have a life cycle. All. Has nothing to do with Android vs iPhone. Mac vs PC. iPhones are rated for 80% after 500 cycles. That’s their lifespawn. Samsung phones are the same. Macs and iPads are rated for 1000 cycles because they have larger batteries.

This will never change. No lawsuit can change the chemical process of batteries. They wear out. End of story.

 

[Vermifuge]

I think there’s enough precedent that Apple won’t be held accountable. You buy a car and to still pay for the maintenance. Even if you lease a car. If you have a dead car battery it's not up to the manufacturer or dealership to replace.

 

[heov]

I stopped reading here.

All batteries have a life cycle. All. Has nothing to do with Android vs iPhone. Mac vs PC. iPhones are rated for 80% after 500 cycles. That’s their lifespawn. Samsung phones are the same. Macs and iPads are rated for 1000 cycles because they have larger batteries.

This will never change. No lawsuit can change the chemical process of batteries. They wear out. End of story.

False. You make it sound like there's no such thing as higher quality batteries.

There are good quality 3000mah batteries, and bad quality 3000mah batteries.

Most batteries are 80% after 500 cycles. Samsung's latest batteries are rated for 95%.

Most of the lawsuits aren't about failing batteries, it's about how Apple dealt with it. They should have told us a new battery can improve CPU performance.

 

[iosuser]

I stopped reading here.

All batteries have a life cycle. All. Has nothing to do with Android vs iPhone. Mac vs PC. iPhones are rated for 80% after 500 cycles. That’s their lifespawn. Samsung phones are the same. Macs and iPads are rated for 1000 cycles because they have larger batteries.

This will never change. No lawsuit can change the chemical process of batteries. They wear out. End of story.

I thought I’d read a story some time ago about a power generator of sorts that outputs more power than it takes to run it, but the invention was shutdown. I’ve wondered at times if someone ever invented a battery that never wears out, if big corporations and/or government would allow it to exist, like that power generator..

Anyway, I had my sons 6s battery replaced for free by Apple a month ago. Unrelated to the throttling controversy. I ran a battery checker and it showed 30% wear, looked up the serial and it was eligible for free replacement. He noticed absolutely no performance difference after the replacement, but of course has observed much improved battery runtime.

 

[Mlrollin91]

False. You make it sound like there's no such thing as higher quality batteries.

There are good quality 3000mah batteries, and bad quality 3000mah batteries.

Most batteries are 80% after 500 cycles. Samsung's latest batteries are rated for 95%.

Most of the lawsuits aren't about failing batteries, it's about how Apple dealt with it. They should have told us a new battery can improve CPU performance.

Thats actually false. Samsungs batteries are rated for 95% after the first year. Not 500 cycles/95%. And there are dozens of threads across the internet where people have claimed that they are well below 95% and its not even been a year.

I also never said anything to the claim of quality of batteries. So please don't put words in my mouth. I merely stated that batteries have a finite life, which is 100% true.
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I thought I’d read a story some time ago about a power generator of sorts that outputs more power than it takes to run it, but the invention was shutdown. I’ve wondered at times if someone ever invented a battery that never wears out, if big corporations and/or government would allow it to exist, like that power generator..

Sounds more like a conspiracy theory!
But on a serious note, I do remember hearing something a while ago about that, but then it "went away".

 

[C DM]

I thought I’d read a story some time ago about a power generator of sorts that outputs more power than it takes to run it, but the invention was shutdown. I’ve wondered at times if someone ever invented a battery that never wears out, if big corporations and/or government would allow it to exist, like that power generator..

Anyway, I had my sons 6s battery replaced for free by Apple a month ago. Unrelated to the throttling controversy. I ran a battery checker and it showed 30% wear, looked up the serial and it was eligible for free replacement. He noticed absolutely no performance difference after the replacement, but of course has observed much improved battery runtime.

I think I saw that movie too:

 

[Abs_p]

I had my battery replaced yesterday.
My Battery settings had already let me know that it needed servicing before the current brouhaha (though the argument that a device that cost as much as it does then needs a component replaced after a little over 2 years of use is going to be one for the courts or consumer protection laws to debate), and so I went for it.

Bruh, do you even science?
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False. You make it sound like there's no such thing as higher quality batteries.

There are good quality 3000mah batteries, and bad quality 3000mah batteries.

Most batteries are 80% after 500 cycles. Samsung's latest batteries are rated for 95%.

Most of the lawsuits aren't about failing batteries, it's about how Apple dealt with it. They should have told us a new battery can improve CPU performance.

Samsung does that by installing a higher capacity battery and then charging it to a lower capacity.eg it's a 3200mah battery but the maximum it can be charged is 3000mah.

And yeah it's 95% after 1st year afaik. Having said that battery degradation is a combination of time AND cycles.

 

[Bazza1]

I stopped reading here.

All batteries have a life cycle. All. Has nothing to do with Android vs iPhone. Mac vs PC. iPhones are rated for 80% after 500 cycles. That’s their lifespawn. Samsung phones are the same. Macs and iPads are rated for 1000 cycles because they have larger batteries.

This will never change. No lawsuit can change the chemical process of batteries. They wear out. End of story.

Yes, yes...batteries wear out. I get that. Normal wear and tear. And some batteries are manufactured better than others, and have longer lifespans. And with that knowledge in mind - that the hardware will last significantly longer than the battery - device manufacturers need to ensure that the battery can be easily swapped out by the user, with batteries that are affordable - and not requiring proprietary repair, with batteries at a premium price. They also need to ensure the battery is used as effectively as possible - and that includes how the hardware, OS and approved apps use the power of the battery from Day One.
If the hardware, OS, or app manages power in a way that degrades the battery in an extraordinary way (and, for what its worth, in my situation, I would say a rechargeable battery that is done after two years is pretty extraordinary), then that's an issue - not 'fixed' by diminishing the quality of the experience promised when new, and not telling the consumer what the issue is, and affording an inexpensive repair - until finally caught out.

Consumers need to stop being such sheep - and Macoyltes in particular need to stop finding reasons to apologize for Apple and their behaviour. But twas ever thus...

 

[Strelok]

I thought I’d read a story some time ago about a power generator of sorts that outputs more power than it takes to run it, but the invention was shutdown. I’ve wondered at times if someone ever invented a battery that never wears out, if big corporations and/or government would allow it to exist, like that power generator..

And break the laws of physics(well thermo)? Nah. You can’t just take x amount of energy in and create x+y energy out. It needs to balance somewhere along the way, best you can get is 1:1 conversion, current tech is pretty inefficient overall but decent considering the actual limits of efficiency on the cycles.

 

[DNichter]

The throttling is pretty minimal. That's likely why you aren't experiencing a huge jump in performance. The 6+ is pretty old and had performance problems to begin with. I wouldn't be expecting much. As others have said though, batteries degrade over time, just how it is.

 

[elf69]

the "ecat" more power out than in did not go away.

many many big companies are working on it.
It seems to actually work.

it generates more heat output that the energy input.

 

[cyb3rdud3]

Yes, yes...batteries wear out. I get that. Normal wear and tear. And some batteries are manufactured better than others, and have longer lifespans. And with that knowledge in mind - that the hardware will last significantly longer than the battery - device manufacturers need to ensure that the battery can be easily swapped out by the user, with batteries that are affordable - and not requiring proprietary repair, with batteries at a premium price. They also need to ensure the battery is used as effectively as possible - and that includes how the hardware, OS and approved apps use the power of the battery from Day One.
If the hardware, OS, or app manages power in a way that degrades the battery in an extraordinary way (and, for what its worth, in my situation, I would say a rechargeable battery that is done after two years is pretty extraordinary), then that's an issue - not 'fixed' by diminishing the quality of the experience promised when new, and not telling the consumer what the issue is, and affording an inexpensive repair - until finally caught out.

Consumers need to stop being such sheep - and Macoyltes in particular need to stop finding reasons to apologize for Apple and their behaviour. But twas ever thus...

They are easily swapped - $79 is not a lot of money, and at $29 now it is a downright bargain. Apple, and many other photo providers, don't keep it a secret that a battery swap should be done by a trained person to retain warranty. You know that upfront and have a choice not to get one if that truly bothers you so much.

Heck most car batteries are accessible to swap by its users, yet most people opt to have a garage do the swap for them. And even when I did one myself I was cursing and swearing with the engine and bulkhead being in the way. No chance I get a garage to supply and fit a battery for just $29 in my car

 

[iosuser]

Sounds more like a conspiracy theory!
But on a serious note, I do remember hearing something a while ago about that, but then it "went away".

Wasn't my intent to go there, but you gotta wonder what happens if science fiction was to become reality, like that movie CDM reminded me of..

I think I saw that movie too:

And break the laws of physics(well thermo)? Nah. You can’t just take x amount of energy in and create x+y energy out. It needs to balance somewhere along the way, best you can get is 1:1 conversion, current tech is pretty inefficient overall but decent considering the actual limits of efficiency on the cycles.

Even 1:1 would be mighty impressive. I do know I read that story, as Mlrollin91 corroborated.

 

[Strelok]

I looked it up, and while I like myself a good conspiracy theory, it just seems like someone tried to profit off of this. All demonstrations always had issues either with data or with how they were conducted, and the company that bought the rights couldn't get it to work while the inventor sued them for not paying him. That about says it all to me. BUT, slightly more on topic, it wouldn't work as a battery since it is too large and also supposedly is a nuclear reaction. Battery tech hasn't really advanced because there just isn't anything really promising out there yet :/

 

[ftaok]

I have a 6 and I tempted to replace my battery as well, but i wonder if a restore would help performance...

I can't say how your phone will react with a new battery or a restore, but I can tell you my experience on my iPhone6.

I updated to iOS 11 when wOS4 came out. It instantly made my iPhone slow and the battery life was cut by a lot. After reading the forums, I thought that maybe it would speed up after the file system re-indexed, but it never did. The battery life did get a little better over time, however.

After the first few incremental updates, the performance got a little better, but it was still pretty bad. Apps took quite a bit of time to load, etc.

I broke down and did an erase/restore and it did absolutely nothing in terms of helping performance. Keep in mind that I wasn't running benchmarking software or anything. Just using my iPhone and going by "feel".

A few weeks later, the scandal breaks and now I know why my phone is so slow.

I replace the battery myself and the performance is much faster now. Not as fast as it was on iOS10, but it's acceptable. Obviously the battery life is back to what it should be with a new battery. About 5 hours of use time. I can make a whole day without recharging if I need to.

YMMV

 

[macmahon70]

I just had a chat with Apple tech, they say my battery is FINE. 437 cycles, 93%.
So I am confident that replacing my battery will not change the performance of my phone.
IMHO, best strategy would be to wait if possible end of the year 2018 to change it.

 

[TroyBoy30]

every device on the planet needs a new battery in 2 years. apple is not magic

 

[macmahon70]

every device on the planet needs a new battery in 2 years. apple is not magic

it's not completely accurate because battery usage will depend on what you are doing with your so called device. I would assume that a user who uses his Iphone for filming every day or for professional purposes will have his battery depleted faster than mine. In an ideal world, Apple should have user replaceable batteries and higher capacity batteries (most Android phone have 3000 even sometimes 5000mAh batteries).

 

[orev]

People only tend to notice when things are bad, and when they are good they don't notice as it is expected that's how it should be. You probably won't notice specific changes directly, but overall you will have less of a feeling of frustration with certain operations that were slow previously.

I think there’s enough precedent that Apple won’t be held accountable. You buy a car and to still pay for the maintenance. Even if you lease a car. If you have a dead car battery it's not up to the manufacturer or dealership to replace.

Cars are not sold under the premise of never needing maintenance like that, and they also have an indicator telling you when the battery needs to be replaced. THE problem with this Apple situation is that they did not notify the user there was a battery issue, and instead did some seemingly shady stuff to hide the fact. If they had been up front to the user with an alert saying the battery was getting old and needed replacing, it would have been fine.

 

[BugeyeSTI]

False. You make it sound like there's no such thing as higher quality batteries.

There are good quality 3000mah batteries, and bad quality 3000mah batteries.

Most batteries are 80% after 500 cycles. Samsung's latest batteries are rated for 95%.

Most of the lawsuits aren't about failing batteries, it's about how Apple dealt with it. They should have told us a new battery can improve CPU performance.

Looks like Samsung has issues as well:
https://www.techspot.com/news/72482-users-reporting-battery-problems-their-galaxy-note-8s.html
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People only tend to notice when things are bad, and when they are good they don't notice as it is expected that's how it should be. You probably won't notice specific changes directly, but overall you will have less of a feeling of frustration with certain operations that were slow previously.


Cars are not sold under the premise of never needing maintenance like that, and they also have an indicator telling you when the battery needs to be replaced. THE problem with this Apple situation is that they did not notify the user there was a battery issue, and instead did some seemingly shady stuff to hide the fact. If they had been up front to the user with an alert saying the battery was getting old and needed replacing, it would have been fine.

What indicator? You mean when the car won’t start...

 

[yangfarmer]

No brainer to get a new battery for $30. It is like you are getting a new heart for free.

Need to hurry up if you want your bettery repalced. I am living in a city with 500,000 population in Canada. I made battery appointment on Jan 2 at store. They said they didn't have the bettery and had to order it for me. It is Jan 8 now and I have't get any response from them yet.

 

[Vermifuge]

No brainer to get a new battery for $30. It is like you are getting a new heart for free.

Need to hurry up if you want your bettery repalced. I am living in a city with 500,000 population in Canada. I made battery appointment on Jan 2 at store. They said they didn't have the bettery and had to order it for me. It is Jan 8 now and I have't get any response from them yet.

good luck to anyone in / near a big city. none of the apple stores in No Cal seemed to have them in stock

 

[yangfarmer]

I have 6 plus over 2+ years, I have to charge my phone quite often during the day. the new X give me eye strain and headache, 7 & 8 are not big improvements from 6. I think it is worth to get my battery replaced even at $80. Now so many people are lining up for the cheap battery replace and it will be a mess for apple. They said in theory it will take apple staff 2.7 years to replace all the battery.