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nem3015 said:

Just checked online and MacMall and ClubMac already have the $100 rebate and Free printer offer... so after rebate we are down to $1515 (the strange number is because on those places they already have an extra $5 drop from the retail price) for the MacBook 2.0 with 2Gb and 120 disk... of course plus taxes and various shipping costs.

This is getting better by the minute...
 
nem3015 said:
Would be nice, but not necessarily tru.. the 160 when will come out will be more expensive I think. I a very new line the Momentus so I don't see the reason for Seagate to drop the prices, to me the new 160 will be on the top of the price scale.

Around 300 USD for the Seagate Momentus 5400.3 160 GB SATA now available in Norway shipping May 29th...
 
Clarify With Links Regarding Shipping Date Seagate 160 SATA Momentus.3

Wender said:
Around 300 USD for the Seagate Momentus 5400.3 160 GB SATA now available in Norway shipping May 29th...
Wha?!?! Please clarify with links. Seagate Corporate Communications just told me this morning it won't ship until July. What do you know that Seagate Corporate Communications doesn't know?
 
Dasmo said:
:rolleyes:

in general, Intel processors scream compared to the G4. You remember how all the windows guys were trying to convince you that their processor was faster than yours? Well, they were right ok? Macs running with Intel processors is the best thing since clichés.
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Problem is, it was 3 years ago they were telling me that. . . It's kind of impractical to compare yesterday's technology with today's and imply that, "the windows guys were right". The G4 was dead in the water a year ago.
 
Multimedia said:
Wha?!?! Please clarify with links. Seagate Corporate Communications just told me this morning it won't ship until July. What do you know that Seagate Corporate Communications doesn't know?

Well after all this is MacRumors, isn't it? :p :D :cool:
 
It is about time apple put a user replacable hard drive in a laptop. I think apple intentionaly designed the previous ibooks to make it a pain in the ass to replace the hard drive.
 
Upgradeable HD Makes MacBook More Attractive Than "Pro" Models

latergator116 said:
It is about time apple put a user replacable hard drive in a laptop. I think apple intentionaly designed the previous ibooks to make it a pain in the ass to replace the hard drive.
I gotta say that this feature makes the MacBook more attractive than the "Pro" models. While the 15" MBP model now seems like a dud, the 17" model still has some distinct advantages. But in the budget situation, until Merom ships, the MacBook seems like a great value for short term mobile power. :)

Waiting for July shipment of the Seagate Momentus 5400.3 9.5mm thick 160GB 2.5" drives for about $300 or $240 introductory at Fry's. I wish Apple would figure out how to make upgrading HDs in the "Pro" mobiles as easy as this.
 
Heat problems?

Not sure where to post this, but this seems to be the right thread as reducing heat in the MBP requires "replacing" the thermal paste.


Although the disassembly pictures on Kodawarisan and co look like there's a reasonable amount of thermal paste on the chips, these pictures make me worry:
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This is on page 94 of the MacBook (13-inch) Take Apart.
In fact, Apple even says as a preface to that picture:
"Although the amount shown appears to be plenty of grease, this is the correct amount that has been tested and verified on the production line."
(http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.php?t=295925)

Can anybody owning (and using) a Macbook testify on the heat of the thing?

EDIT: Should I worry about the HDD on my iMac beeing at 54°C to 55°C when doing web surfing only? Room temperature is 27,5°C right now. I've read HDDs should not get to 55°C too often, but it's always that hot in my iMac... at least S.M.A.R.T. tells me it's that hot.
 
the.snitch said:
Regarding the video benchmarks, I think that the $200 extra for the BlackBook should also get you a model with a dedicated GPU. There needs to be a laptop under 15" that has a GPU.
Remember the graphite special edition iBooks, better than all the colour ones? This could be done in the same way.


They can't and won't do that until the MBP come out with quad core and even then it's sketchy if they will (offer GPU), otherwise, and I know this is hard to swallow, the MBP really cost $1000 more for the GPU, don't tell me the extra $1000 is for the larger LCD, backlit keypads either.:rolleyes:

Then again, the benchmarks are very similar to the G4 1.67 which a friend of mine runs Final Cut and Motion on, so chances are (and I bet it's fine) a 2 GB DDR 7200 pimped Macbook would run Final Cut pretty good.

Will it run motion? Not sure, then again, look at the UT2004 marks for G4, so, perhaps it will - - he runs motion and final cut all the time and I assume the Macbook is faster. The MBP is just too much money for too little computing power. Then off course there is the do it yourselfers (osx86).

Lastly, if you must have gaming and want to be sure about motion, than a iMAC would be the way to go, but I think when the memron comes out, the MACBOOK should offer dedicated graphics as they (APPLE) will stilll have to compete with other laptops out there.

Not sure about all this iLIFE rossetta c rap though- last I read, I thought ilife was universal.

Still waiting on a final cut, motion, MACBOOK thread. Bottom line, APPLE MACBOOKS IMHO will run these apps, less gaming, in Universal, they just aren't announcing it quite yet as the REAL power users aren't buying the MBP yet anyway. Most I know are buying (if they bought a laptop APPLE recently) are buying up G4's, now the MACBOOK, well, for 1099 not too shabby, but for 1499, it should have 7200, 1 GB and dedicated GPU, not just a paint job and a few more megs of HD space.

:p
 
I'd love to have "No RAM" and "no hard drive" as a BTO option. You can get this stuff so cheap elsewhere... That would make a Macbook for 799 $ then :D

But again, that would go against the Apple "ease of use". And I doubt Apple would make real profit.
 
Paired RAM?

I am thinking of upgrading the RAM on my new Macbook (black btw). Is there any truth to the concept of having to "pair" the RAM in the 2 slots? I can not really afford to buy 2 GBs so I was planning on just buying one for now... giving me 1.25gbs but is there going to be a problem with having a 1GB in one slot and a 256MB in the other?
 
Mersen said:
I am thinking of upgrading the RAM on my new Macbook (black btw). Is there any truth to the concept of having to "pair" the RAM in the 2 slots? I can not really afford to buy 2 GBs so I was planning on just buying one for now... giving me 1.25gbs but is there going to be a problem with having a 1GB in one slot and a 256MB in the other?

No problem at all. There s indeed truth in the concept of paired RAM, but the difference is not noticable or really measurable. Apple just puts twi 256 DIMMS in there because it's cheaper than one 512 DIMM.
 
MrCrowbar said:
Not sure where to post this, but this seems to be the right thread as reducing heat in the MBP requires "replacing" the thermal paste.

Although the disassembly pictures on Kodawarisan and co look like there's a reasonable amount of thermal paste on the chips, these pictures make me worry:

*Pics with obscene amount of grease*

This is on page 94 of the MacBook (13-inch) Take Apart.
In fact, Apple even says as a preface to that picture:
"Although the amount shown appears to be plenty of grease, this is the correct amount that has been tested and verified on the production line."
Pics and quotes like that make it seem like an absolute miracle that this company even managed to design a working notebook. Guess it was one of Steve's secretaries that threw together that service manual... :rolleyes:

EDIT: Ohh, and easy to replace HDD and RAM is a good thing. Should have been done long ago. Things like this probably make PC folks more interested in the machines, since the thought of taking the computer apart just to replace the HDD would seem ludicrous to most (not that regular Mac users like it either...). My ASUS notebook has one screw to reach the HDD compartment and six screws to change the RAM (atleast one of the slots). Really shouldn't be harder than that.
 
Quake IV on macbook

The video benchmarks may look a little weak, but I just loaded Quake IV on my black macbook, and it seems to run okay. Haven't had a chance to plunge in, yet, for more than a few minutes, but it looks promising. Most settings medium to low range, but it appears pretty smooth and very playable. 1 gig ram
 
Congrats, netdog

netdog said:
Don't know if anybody has posted Ars Techinica's MacBook Review yet, but the MBP owners probably aren't going to be too thrilled about the benchmarks which start here.

I think your post is what has convinced me to buy a Macbook over a Pro. I figure if a Merom Macbook Pro comes out later in the summer with a price I'm willing to spend, I'll Craiglist my Macbook and do a swap. Hopefully there will be a revision of the Macbook Pro before a revision of the Macbook to give me a sense of what the pricing will be on the Merom MBP before my current Macbook devalues after revision 2. If you've got an Intel iMac (or any other machine) for gaming and pro stuff, the Macbook is the computer for you.

Here I come Intel Integrated Graphics!!
 
Oh My God! MacBooks "Integrated Graphics" Cream MacBook Pro's "Dedicated Graphics"

netdog said:
Don't know if anybody has posted Ars Techinica's MacBook Review yet, but the MBP owners probably aren't going to be too thrilled about the benchmarks which start here.
Spartacus said:
I think your post is what has convinced me to buy a Macbook over a Pro. I figure if a Merom Macbook Pro comes out later in the summer with a price I'm willing to spend, I'll Craiglist my Macbook and do a swap. Hopefully there will be a revision of the Macbook Pro before a revision of the Macbook to give me a sense of what the pricing will be on the Merom MBP before my current Macbook devalues after revision 2. If you've got an Intel iMac (or any other machine) for gaming and pro stuff, the Macbook is the computer for you.

Here I come Intel Integrated Graphics!!
You're Killing Me NetDog & Spartacus. This report is mind boggling. :eek: All those naysayers on Tuesday and Wednesday have got to be pissing in their pants over this. And what about all those MacBook Pro buyers to date?

This MacBook is setting a new standard for mid priced mobiles that even Apple is going to have a hard time topping. You gotta believe Apple is just going to have to SIT ON THIS MODEL for a while while trying to separate the MacBook Pro from it with faster Merom and Graphics processors and user upgradable HD compartments - IE a new MacBook Pro redesign.

I think there is little doubt this MacBook is breaking records and is a HUGE HIT for Apple - a Home Run no doubt. :eek: I'm totally born again about it just because I will be able to get a Seagate 160GB Momentus 5400.3 inside this summer. Now with this report, I can sleep at night knowing it also has faster graphics OVERALL. When I pull the trigger for real is anybody's guess. I have no idea. Use my Quad 90% of the time. But I sure am recommending the hell out of it to those who need more power now on a budget. :p :D

Did a pixel comparison between 17" MBP + 17" Apple Monitor vs. MacBook + 24" Dell 1920x1200 WS. Turns out the MacBook + Dell 24" WS setup would give you over a quarter million more pixels of desktop space for less than the price of the 17" MacBook Pro alone. Go figure. Facts tell me the MacBook is way underpriced or the MacBook Pros are way over priced.
 
All these reviews are nice, but the proof is in the pudding, and having used a MacBook since Tuesday, all I have to say is that I am thoroughly pleased, every expectation I had when I purchased it has been exceeded. (Granted, I loaded it with 2GB, a must if you plan to run Parallels on top of the usual OS X apps).

The one thing this pup needs, IMO, is a faster drive. 5400 seems to be the bottleneck, and the difference that separates it from my Intel iMac 2.0 in everyday use performance much more than any difference in graphics performance between the two.

If the MacBook isn't a hit, it's a crime. It's svelte, fast and nearly silent. Incredible piece of kit.
 
I agree, Multi, that the MBP will have some sort of rethink and redesign next. After all, it is essentially a somewhat rushed-to-market Intel-inside PowerBook, not that such is anything to sneeze at. To my eye, the aluminum-cased MBP form is showing its age, but I know there are many who disagree with me and love not only the function, but also the form.

I know there are some MBP owners who want or need some of the features (x1600 graphics or backlit keyboard or screen size), but I suspect that there are also a lot of people wishing that they had known that such a powerful little MacBook was on its way at such a reduced price. This isn't your grandmother's iBook.
 
Replacing the hard drive

I must sound like a newbie; I have a few questions about the MacBook:

1) Once the hard drive is replaced, what do I do to install OS X? Just boot from the install disk and install the OS from there?

2) Will replacing the hard drive void my warranty, even if they make it so easy to do?

3) What specific type of hard drive do I need to buy, if I get one? On the MacBook specs page it just says Serial-ATA - I know almost nothing about hard drives. This is probably what I need, right?
 
Upgrading Hard Drive in MacBook

douziel said:
I must sound like a newbie; I have a few questions about the MacBook:

1) Once the hard drive is replaced, what do I do to install OS X? Just boot from the install disk and install the OS from there?

2) Will replacing the hard drive void my warranty, even if they make it so easy to do?

3) What specific type of hard drive do I need to buy, if I get one? On the MacBook specs page it just says Serial-ATA - I know almost nothing about hard drives. This 120GB 2.5" Western Digital Scorpio 5400RPM SATA Notebook Drive with 8MB Cache - New, 3 Year Warranty for $159.99 at Other World Computing is what I need, right?
1) Yes. Buy a SATA external FW case for your 60, put that in there and after the install you will be prompted to hook up that drive and all your settings, added files, mail etc will be automatically transfered to your new bigger and/or faster drive so you can resume where you left off before the switch.
2) No.
3) Yes that will work. But if you can wait til July, you can get a Seagate 160GB Momentus 5400.3 SATA drive for around $300. Must be only 9.5mm thick. SATA is the only type of drive that will fit.
 
Multimedia said:
1) Yes. Buy a SATA external FW case for your 60, put that in there and after the install you will be prompted to hook up that drive and all your settings, added files, mail etc will be automatically transfered to your new bigger and/or faster drive so you can resume where you left off before the switch.
2) No.
3) Yes that will work. But if you can wait til July, you can get a Seagate 160GB Momentus 5400.3 SATA drive for around $300. Must be only 9.5mm thick. SATA is the only type of drive that will fit.

(Concerning number 1) Let's say I'm just upgrading entirely new from an iBook G4. When I get the Macbook, should I replace the hard drive immediately (before turning it on for the first time)? If so, do I just take the metal housing off (unscrew it, I guess) and slide the new one in?
 
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