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Report: Android poised to pass Apple in the tablet market
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We got the same setup; Galaxy nexus and iPad. Perfect combo. I'm a 50/50 fanboy myself.
Number one, it's easy to make significant strides when it sucked so hard out of the gate. That's like saying the guy that got up off the turf covered more ground after the rest of the racers were crossing the finish line...
Two, if a "file system" is a "need" for you...and I'd say for many it's not...then as far as Apple's concerned...you aren't "their" kind of customer anyway. For every one of us that knows what a block, cylinder, NTFS, ZFS, HPFS, or whatever is...there's another 4000 peeps that could flipping care less and have zero clue what in the flip a file system is anyway. Apple is and has always been about simplicity and ease of use...even at the expense of end user control. I don't know why people can't flipping get that through their thick skulls...Apple's view of computing is fundamentally different than other companies...it always has been and as far as I can see it will continue to be. I've said before that I think Apple is really uncomfortable in many ways with the market share they've attained. I think they'd be much happier catering to those who "subscribe" to their view of computing and continue to make their fat profit margins there and let the HTC and Samsung's of the world scrimp and scrape and cut each other's throat for their piddly margins that they turn in.
Bottom line is that even if iOS fell to around say 20 to 30% of all sales of (tablets and phone devices)...they'd still be far and away the most profitable. So for example, recently Lenovo announced that they had turned in profits of around $108 million on shipments of around 11.7 million units for a recent quarter...vs. Apple earned around $5 Billion on sales of about 3.8 million Macs in a quarter not too long ago. I'm afraid that if you'll look into iOS devices versus all other competition you'll find that such a profit disparity gets even greater...so I don't really think tha Apple will be crying vast tears into their billions should they not be the piddly profit margin "market leader"...it's just not in their genes to be that way.
Oh boy.
We are not talking Web Stats, its WIFI connectivity.
iPhones don't have the same ranking because of cellular radio connectivity.
Yes I know the iPad has a similar 3g/4g option but carriers aren't going to provide us those numbers, so that leaves WiFi.
The bulk of iPad and Android tablets are WiFi enabled and stats show more iPads, FAR MORE iPads than Android tablets.
Now you hinted that maybe its all about apps on Android and not connectivity in which case look in public and private places at people using tablets.
If you do 35-50% are not Android tablets.
And I don't see that number getting larger.
Every day another School system, Airline, or Corporate enterprise rolls out iPads into eager hands.
But maybe thats just a local East West coast phenomenon.
In my book its still a bogus report but it does generate some debate.
It is bound to happen. Sooner or later people will realize that they get a very good bang for their $249 in products like these.
ICS is already pretty powerful and customizable and is really coming close to the iPad's smoothness. With Chrome coming out of beta on ICS, it will offer an awesome browsing experience.
As manufacturers learn from their previous failures most Android tablets will be extremely competitive with even a lower priced iPad if ever there is going to be one.
Add to that the fact that Amazon will make the Kindle Fire an ever better proposition like they did for the Kindles. That will take a significant bite out of Apple's tablet market share.
Competition is good - may be we will see betterment of iOS and a more competitively priced iPad due to all this.
ICS is already pretty powerful and customizable and is really coming close to the iPad's smoothness. With Chrome coming out of beta on ICS, it will offer an awesome browsing experience.
As manufacturers learn from their previous failures most Android tablets will be extremely competitive with even a lower priced iPad if ever there is going to be one.
Add to that the fact that Amazon will make the Kindle Fire an ever better proposition like they did for the Kindles. That will take a significant bite out of Apple's tablet market share.
Competition is good - may be we will see betterment of iOS and a more competitively priced iPad due to all this.
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agreeing with what some others have been saying - i hope android tabs put up a good fight instead of limping after the ipad into all eternity, if theyre good enough at what they do it'll force apple to add that extra oomph to their new releases, which is of course always a good thing.
that being said, i would never consider an android tab myself for the same reason i think osx makes the better overall package over windows and the countless different rigs it runs on.
that being said, i would never consider an android tab myself for the same reason i think osx makes the better overall package over windows and the countless different rigs it runs on.
The technology world is very fluid. Things change quickly. Any company/writer/website who claims they know what the situation will be in 2013, 2014, 2015 is full of crap. All we can really do is guess. So this is my guess:
Apple wants the tablet market (the tablet market that THEY created only 2 years ago) to end up like the MP3 player market. And they SHOULD want this. Any company that wants to be successful would want it. They are not just going to rest on their laurels and let iPad sales dwindle down to nothing.
They will expand the iPad product line similarly to how they expanded the iPod line. There won't be nearly as many different models--maybe just an iPad and an iPad Mini. But it will happen to a degree. I honestly think Android tablet makers' only weapon right now is making lower priced tablets, and to do that they usually just shrink them down to 7". If Apple puts a tablet in the market in the same manner, it will be game over for a lot of those rinky dink manufacturers that constantly just try to throw things against the wall to see what sticks. Amazon will probably continue to be competitive if they can figure out a way to make money off of their tablet hardware. Android fragmentation will continue to hamper things as well. ICS was supposed to fix this. It hasn't.
I'm not saying nothing ever will fix the Android tablet situation. Something could come along tomorrow that blows up my whole theory. But looking at the big picture, iPad is doing great, Kindle Fire is doing well, and everything else is dying on the vine. And the more time the iPad has to run away with the market, the more engrained it becomes as THE tablet to have. Just like the iPod.
The argument against this used to be that you can get a comparable Android tablet on the cheap by signing a data plan contract. Well, my parents signed a 2 year contract with Verizon and got their iPad 2 (at launch) for roughly half price. I read a story about a year ago that 2012 was going to be the year that Android tablets start killing the iPad because of subsidies like this. So far it hasn't happened.
Nothing you read on the internet should be taken at face value. Look at how Wall Street analysts and the media were able to manipulate the stock market out of thin air over the last couple of weeks. Much ado about absolutely nothing. Hell, check this out from 2010:
http://seekingalpha.com/article/227432-now-apple-could-have-some-problems
I hope you weren't investing your money based on THAT guy's predictions.
The internet is not real life. Web forums are not real life. Anyone can say anything they want. On the internet, it almost never means anything.
Apple wants the tablet market (the tablet market that THEY created only 2 years ago) to end up like the MP3 player market. And they SHOULD want this. Any company that wants to be successful would want it. They are not just going to rest on their laurels and let iPad sales dwindle down to nothing.
They will expand the iPad product line similarly to how they expanded the iPod line. There won't be nearly as many different models--maybe just an iPad and an iPad Mini. But it will happen to a degree. I honestly think Android tablet makers' only weapon right now is making lower priced tablets, and to do that they usually just shrink them down to 7". If Apple puts a tablet in the market in the same manner, it will be game over for a lot of those rinky dink manufacturers that constantly just try to throw things against the wall to see what sticks. Amazon will probably continue to be competitive if they can figure out a way to make money off of their tablet hardware. Android fragmentation will continue to hamper things as well. ICS was supposed to fix this. It hasn't.
I'm not saying nothing ever will fix the Android tablet situation. Something could come along tomorrow that blows up my whole theory. But looking at the big picture, iPad is doing great, Kindle Fire is doing well, and everything else is dying on the vine. And the more time the iPad has to run away with the market, the more engrained it becomes as THE tablet to have. Just like the iPod.
The argument against this used to be that you can get a comparable Android tablet on the cheap by signing a data plan contract. Well, my parents signed a 2 year contract with Verizon and got their iPad 2 (at launch) for roughly half price. I read a story about a year ago that 2012 was going to be the year that Android tablets start killing the iPad because of subsidies like this. So far it hasn't happened.
Nothing you read on the internet should be taken at face value. Look at how Wall Street analysts and the media were able to manipulate the stock market out of thin air over the last couple of weeks. Much ado about absolutely nothing. Hell, check this out from 2010:
http://seekingalpha.com/article/227432-now-apple-could-have-some-problems
I hope you weren't investing your money based on THAT guy's predictions.
The internet is not real life. Web forums are not real life. Anyone can say anything they want. On the internet, it almost never means anything.
I don't think Apple's ultimate goal has EVER been about market dominance. If that were the case, then by right they shouldn't be selling Macs anymore. They've never broken 20% market share, so why bother making them, right?
The same is true about iOS. As long as the market is sustainable and profitable, then marketshare isn't so relevant. They don't need to be #1 to be viable.
If market analysts want to cheat the numbers and say that because of a device running a forked version of Android with a limited ability to run only certain apps and a subset of features that Android-proper can claim the title of marketshare "winner," then that's fine. That doesn't mean Apple goes out of business the next day, nor should it.
The same is true about iOS. As long as the market is sustainable and profitable, then marketshare isn't so relevant. They don't need to be #1 to be viable.
If market analysts want to cheat the numbers and say that because of a device running a forked version of Android with a limited ability to run only certain apps and a subset of features that Android-proper can claim the title of marketshare "winner," then that's fine. That doesn't mean Apple goes out of business the next day, nor should it.
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Why do people keep posting stuff like 'in the future, when Android is better than it currently is, things will be different'? I've been reading it forever, and am still waiting.
Here's a tip: post this stuff when Android is actually competitive in the present, not how they will be competing once they do X, Y, and Z on an ever receding six-months-down-the-road horizon.
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it's remenicient of the "year of the linux desktop" bs that lintards like to throw at people... it's been years and years.. not seeing shyt besides internal quibbles, stupid, convoluted ideas, and ex people from the scene being accused of selling out the moment they create something actually usable and ergo sell it and it becomes closed source. but dare to question the fact that linux will become mass-compatible anytime soon (or, lets get real here...ever) and they give you a good pasting.
then again, they also believe that linux rivals windows as a gaming platform because 2 nerds can get crysis going in wine for 10 minutes before it crashes. OMGACHIEVEMENT! we'll celebrate it by coding another abstraction layer!!
@ thread topic - i wonder with what ecosystem android plans on doing that, certainly not with its current, pathetic one. by the time the quantity and quality of android tablet apps reaches that of apples today, apple will have ten times more and also better stuff on offer. the android store is around 90 % spam and badly coded trash, far as i can tell. and ive been using it for years so i like to think ive been around it sufficienty by now.
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So the link I posted to the "currently better and existing" Galaxy Tab 2 - that was in the future? Or is the Kindle Fire selling lots of devices - that was in the future?
What've you been reading - I'll never know. But here is a real tip - Android phones started being not-so-good and went to good-enough and then awesome all while taking loads of market share. Apple fans will structure the argument the way they like - Apple only sells one phone, Kindle Fire isn't a tablet, iPad is a different category, Android phones are 99c etc. but that doesn't change the fact that Android is gaining market share - a lot of it.
A $249 Samsung tablet with ICS and Chrome - it is just too good to not succeed. Heck even the lesser Nooks and Kindle Fires sold pretty well by just being good enough at low price point. So I don't know where you are getting your facts but what you consider perpetual future has already happened with phones and is currently starting to happen with tablets.
What have I been reading? Your post I replied to - it was all in the future tense about what will happen, not what is happening. Good job.
I would say Android tablets are very tasty In-N-Out, while Apple is 5 Guys *even though the Cajun fries are way overpriced.
