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How do you know? Do you have a list of all the employees leaving along with a list of new employees to compare?
Employers leaving or getting poached always makes news. Employees being hired to fill new roles never make the news.
IMO Apple has been ahead of AI where it matters. The on-device computing they have been doing for years now is far more beneficial than chatbots and generative AI which has been trained on stolen* data and is not really good right now. Chatbots are literally only about 20% accurate. I have thoroughly tested them out and have received so much misinformation from the models it is just shocking how everyone thinks we are in a good place right now where EVERYTHING MUST HAVE AI!!!!
So....much....hallucinations are going on with these AI models.
* - some legal loopholes allowed companies to train their models. I do not agree with how the models have been trained. And how Meta pirated material to train their models.
It is a sad world currently. I want this AI craze to be gone. I don't know if it was EA or Ubisoft where I first heard the push for management team to use AI for making decisions like salaries/promotions/layoffs etc. But more companies are doing this now. Ridiculous.
This is a MAJOR issue and will lead to societal collapse. People won't even know how to think 5-10 years from now. Want to write an email? I need AI to do it!
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This is a MAJOR issue and will lead to societal collapse. People won't even know how to think 5-10 years from now. Want to write an email? I need AI to do it!
Managers are using AI to determine raises, promotions, layoffs
Managers are now using AI to make decisions about raises, promotions, and even firings, according to a new survey.
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
Do you have any evidence of that? There's the NVIDIA DGX Spark which is specially made for AI, the Mac Studio is not a feasible LLM machine until you boost the ram and by then you're selling a kidney or two to afford it. I don't know of any software offerings from apple that exceeds what copilot, or chatgpt can do.
I mean, look at apple partnering with google, so they (google) can fix Siri
I don't see any aspect of AI where apple is ahead of its competitors, either software of hardware.
I really like the idea of on device processing for multiple reasons (privacy, availability when network connectivity is poor, safe interaction between Apps which are not sharing the same cloud data backend, etc), but to be fair while Apple has good on-device processing for more traditional software applications, their on-device AI hasn’t been great.
Max Webb
macrumors member
Apple don’t need to spend billions on making an AI they will let these other companies do that and then just interface with them which sounds like what they are going to do with Google. Who they already have a long relationship with. Why try to compete with these companies who are spending billions when you can just run with them at a fraction of the cost.
No one said who, with all the corporate strategy in the world. Apple might’ve lost bad employees on purpose to a competitor; especially a new one backed by Microsoft I believe. Synergy at its finest lol.
Yes.....I literally stated it in my post. They have been doing on-device AI for many years. They did background removal of your photos before Photoshop had an AI tool for it. They have been able to classify your photos by the contents for a long time. They have had neural engines in their chips for a long time.
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
That doesn't prove that apple is ahead of its competition, in fact google, and samsung have been doing photo editing well before apple has. Siri seems to be getting worse not better. By any measure, imo, apple is not leading in any segment of AI
I don't have a news article about it, I am just saying my thoughts. Why I prefixed my post with IMO....
I don't know why you are asking for proof for an opinion when I explicitly stated in my post IMO.
Again I am not talking about Siri, I am talking about the processes that use neural engines in the SoC for years.
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
They may have had neural engines for years, but they certainly don't predate nvidia cuda cores. They offer no services, features, or applications that others don't offer. Apple themselves admitted their AI initiative is inadequate. There is no evidence that supports your claim that apple is leading for on device AI.
While your assessment is an opinion, its clear that many people, including Tim Cook that apple is not leading in AI yet. His words do not paint a picture of apple being a leader in AI
Tim Cook Defends Apple's AI Delay: 'We've Rarely Been First'
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It is a sad world currently. I want this AI craze to be gone. I don't know if it was EA or Ubisoft where I first heard the push for management team to use AI for making decisions like salaries/promotions/layoffs etc. But more companies are doing this now. Ridiculous.
This is a MAJOR issue and will lead to societal collapse. People won't even know how to think 5-10 years from now. Want to write an email? I need AI to do it!
Managers are using AI to determine raises, promotions, layoffs
Managers are now using AI to make decisions about raises, promotions, and even firings, according to a new survey.
On the bright side, at least by using AI some intelligence is going into the decision making process instead of rank politics.
Dark_Omen
macrumors 65816
Goes to show you that Tim doesn't actually know what he's doing.
Good CEOs are a "jack of all trades" in their industry. Tim is someone that's milked Steve Jobs' products and has little to no skills in what's expected of him.
Retaining talent? Can't do it.
Innovation? Can't do it.
Software without major bugs? Can't do it.
Artificial intelligence? Can't do it.
Foldables? Haven't done it.
iPhone Air? Tons of potential. His decision to price it at $1,000 is a failure.
Apple Car? Failure.
VR Headset? Failure. It's priced much too high.
Streaming? Failure.
Gaming? Failure.
iWork Suite? Failure.
Under Tim's leadership, there have been 10 screw ups for every 1 successful category.
DownUnderDan
macrumors 6502a
Yearly release cycles to meet the never ending demand of marketing, key executives and whiney Apple fans. Irrespecitve if that is the most efficient or even neccessary path for releasing the best product. Doesn't matter just hit that deadline and then hit the next four deadlines after that for point releases and rinse and repeat. Time to optimise the hardware and software? Nah. What about time to develop new ideas for hardware and software and just explore what could be done? Nah, no time for that, that takes long term investment and cash burn. Tim gets nervous and either cancels or releases it half done to try and get back cash (Hello Apple VR). Besides, we have a new launch to prepare for, as we created this monster that needs to be fed every twelve months. Just do incremental changes to the same tired old stuff and get it out the door to feed the Apple ecosystem. Then we can create the next years worth of pressure on you to do it again. Do that for a few years and you would be looking at the exit sign too.
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Dark_Omen
macrumors 65816
Tim's entire C-Suite needs to be replaced, except for Ternus.
- Why is Phil Schiller still with the company as a 'fellow."?
- Eddy Cue's services have been a disaster.
- Craig's Software has been a disaster.
- Adam's legal advice has been poor.
- Joz can't figure out how to market something as simple as the iPhone Air.
Unfortunately, that's easier said than done. It'll take at least 5 years for Apple to recover from Cook's mess.
Because everyone is on this AI chatbot phase. I find what Apple has already done far more beneficial than just chatting with ChatGPT.
Abazigal
Contributor
And it looks like that one successful thing that Tim Cook did (building a formidable ecosystem around the iPhone and turning Apple into a multi-trillion dollar company) more than offsets all his other “failures” combined.
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
Name that beneficial stuff please. You had mentioned earlier they're leading in AI. Your opinion is currently running against the grain of everyone, including Tim Cook.
IIGS User
macrumors 65816
Well, thanks for the flashback to the dark & dreary Scully days. Many here don’t remember that long walk in the wilderness. Reading all the Apple magazines Incider, A+, etc. still have a few copies around here someplace. I wasn’t a Mac user until the II line was about officially dead. I remember buying my first Mac (Mac classic) from a photo store that happened to be an Apple dealer in the local mega mall. Same mall has no phot stores in it any more (obviously). But it has an Apple Store.
Every time my wife says “hey Siri” I cringe. I know she’s gonna have to say it 3 times and even then, the response will suck. The only thing I use Siri for is in the car to respond to text messages or to play a song I want to hear. Otherwise, Siri is absolutely worthless to me and may as well not exist.
Dark_Omen
macrumors 65816
That’s not success when you have many other products that need to be improved. Almost anyone else would’ve achieved the same market cap with the products Steve left behind.
Abazigal
Contributor
I guess we will just have to agree to disagree in that regard. At least going by the myriad of horrendously bad takes i have seen on this forum.
I literally did multiple times. Having neural engine processing on the phone and Macs are way more beneficial then just a chatbot. Uses range from Photos to professional software like Final Cut Pro. I don't know how else to say it, I have said it multiple times already.
And I have said that repeatedly as well. EVERYONE is just on this chatbot train which is NOT all that beneficial. We are just going around in circles here. I have already stated the benefits.
mjs916
macrumors 65816
This. These people leaving will probably do good things elsewhere. Or not. But they will get paid for whatever they end up doing.
They still have their employee stock purchase money from Apple as well whenever they sell that. They will be fine and are just getting a boost in their bottom line while they can. Good luck to them and I hope this lights a fire under someone’s butt at Apple to get things going.