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I bought a Tesla 3 last week. My first electric car. I'll never go back to gas. Utterly blown away. But if Apple ever comes out with a car (I'm still doubtful) I'll certainly check it out. Apple is often late to market yet seems to be creative enough to change it.
 
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Are you aware how big EV battery packs are, and where they're located?

You'd need a forklift and a mechanic bay.

Yes, you are right about present EV battery pack are very heavy and using Li-ion battery system I think.

i think it is old tech or maybe they did bit of tweak, we need something much more powerful than Li-ion something lighter & long cubic shape.

I don’t know but surly it can be done somehow. :)
 
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My assumption is that you will need the Apple AR headset to fully utilize all capabilities of the Apple Car. But it will be a separate purchase. To help save the environment.
 
I would buy a electric car as long it can do this concept.

Removable battery pack - go to Station (like petrol station) remove the battery from the car like a long cubic shape and put them into the charging dock, pay for the fresh battery and install back to the car and drive off (all done in between 2-5 mins).

Just pay for the battery performance as low/medium/long mileages - that figure should include AC heater/cooling.
This was tried 20 Year’s ago, did not work out, and a lot of money was lost, not to mention the the los the people who bought the cars, that were useles.
 
Removable battery pack should be tamper proof, drop safely & light weight and can be charge at home or replace quickly at the station if one see very low battery power.

Since we all live in very dynamic world, people need to move all the time no time to waste.

Amazon flex or Uber drivers will not like to wait for 30 mins to charge up.
As a tesla owner I can safely say that time to recharge is easily managed. There are many times that cars sit idle.

Get on board and be part of the move away from fossil fuels now!
 
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Yeah, over on Ars, there's a discussion about battery swapping going on. Some of the things they identified that you'd need to run a battery swapping station:

Forklift and mechanic bay or some kind of customized hardware to handle half ton packs safely.
Dedicated personnel to handle operations, like mechanics but also people to handle the paperwork for your leasing of a $10k battery.
Dedicated warehouse with multiple $10k battery packs, into the 6 or 7 figure range of battery pack inventory.
Workflow to handle transporting battery packs around different stations and to handle charging them.

Not to mention the technical challenges. Battery packs are actively heated and cooled so swapping will need to handle electrical cabling and also coolant lines.

Battery swapping is one of those things that seem ingenious at first, but end up looking more like solar roadways.
Yep. Much easier to plug in to a super charger for 15 minutes.

The battery pack idea also supposes that all cars can take the weight in the same location. The battery in a Tesla is under the floor to keep the centre of gravity low. It’s like a long thin strip.

Different length cars would need different batteries. Different weight cars might need different size batteries.

The more I think about it the dumber the idea gets.

Just tailor the battery for ideal power, weight and size to suit the dynamics of the car. And plug it in to a supercharger for 15 minutes every couple of days instead.
Or better yet, trickle charge it from your solar panels and drive for free!
 
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I bought a Tesla 3 last week. My first electric car. I'll never go back to gas. Utterly blown away. But if Apple ever comes out with a car (I'm still doubtful) I'll certainly check it out. Apple is often late to market yet seems to be creative enough to change it.

Congrats. Teslas are amazing. We have a couple ourselves. I'm definitely going to see what Apple has to offer though. They're the one company that can seamlessly integrate hardware and software in as compelling a way as Tesla.
 
Autopilot function? Finally, I can say Engage and it will actually do something...
Even on the good old 1701-D they had a guy that pressed a button to accomplish that.

I wonder if Apple is actually capable of doing what other companies haven't been able to do so far; create a fully autonomously car. My guess is no.
The issue is clearly far more complicated than throwing a lot of computational horsepower at it. I don't see truly self driving cars out in the wild this decade. It's not like you can just have a minor bug, get notified and it'll get fixed in the next update. It's more like you have a minor bug, people die, and then you're Boeing having 5000 planes grounded. This stuff needs to be as safe as a pillow in bubble wrap, and I'm not confident we're even close to there yet. Even if statistically self driving cars would produce less accidents than conventional cars, people will go mad about every single incident of an autonomous vehicle running over grandma.

It’s doubtful we’ll ever see one. The nonsense keeps going.
I disagree. When Elon Musk, also kindly known as the King of BS, can get rich on building electric cars so can Apple or anyone else with enough pocket change to enter the market. The questions is: will it ever be any good? That's indeed doubtful.

The list goes on. Apple isn't well positioned to succeed in the EV market.
They would technically have to buy into an established manufacturer and take it from there, agreed. Hyundai has been floated as a possible partner for that multiple times. Considering most cars are made out of parts from other manufacturers it's highly doubtful any mass produced car out there isn't more brand than actual engineering.

Personally I'm not sold on electric cars being the solution to anything, really. They are great fun, yes, but solving a problem caused by every person driving their own self propelled multi-ton plastic and steel coffin around with more of said multi-ton plastic and steel coffins now loaded with toxic waste and rare earth minerals really doesn't ring true. If people really want to do something for a sustainable future of the human species they need to start living a different life, not buying a different product. So can we all please agree that no Tesla was ever sold to make the world a better place? And Apple won't change a bit about that.
 
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NIO Cars have just launched the battery changing concept here in Norway. It’s only for their cars though, and of course a bit limited in the beginning.
I’ve driven an electric car for 5 years (Hyundai) and I feel pain the few times I use my BMW and have to pay a small fortune at the gas station.
NIO is Chinese and I would never buy a Chinese car as long as there are other options.
Curious about the apple car though.
Quite a few experts say now that fully autonomous cars are much harder to do than they let on. It will take a lot longer than a few years before they are ready for prime time
 
By 2024, the Apple Car will have about as much impact as Apple TV+ in the streaming wars. I remember when just a rumor of this would have been enough to tank auto stocks, but nowadays, no one cares what Apple is up to because they haven’t disrupted anything since the iPad.
True. The Prowler and Viper reportedly didn't have air conditioning because having it 'robbed' power from the engine. I was amazed, when I bought my first car, that turning on the AC caused a noticeable change in idle. Ironic that as 'climate change' causes more heating in the environment, more people will be driving with their AC on, increasing pollution out the tailpipe.

The second car I owned had a 96 horsepower motor. I used to joke that the only way I could pass people on the highway was with a tailwind and going down hill. The air conditioner was a joke, and I rarely used it. It seemed cruel to even have it installed, as using it was like adding a couple hundred pounds of weight for it to haul around. Most owners actually disconnected it, and used a shorter fan belt to totally bypass the compressor, and got a spike in MPG.

To leverage the electric car, get the most from it, people should expect to have to make some compromises. The US automakers watered down electric, and 'hybrid' cars adherence to 'old car habits' makes them kind of a joke. An electric car doesn't need electric seat warmers, AC, etc. An electric car needs performance, and efficiency. Anything that robs from that is counter productive. Adding such fluff and performance stealing extras should make the average car shopper wonder what they are getting. (A hubbled throwback with 'all show and no go', or a serious attempt to make a serviceable car that provides more than lip service to people concerned about our future) *shrug* But if it doesn't have AC, etc, would it sell. Maybe not, but then, compared to the state of the environment, the electric car market is pissing into the wind. The forces of global climate change are roaring forward like a freight train, and this electric car market is kinda like waving your hands to stop it. We need meaningful change. Like I think asphalt is heavily contributing to warming, and no one is addressing it. People aren't even saying it doesn't, which makes me think that it's a 'protected industry', unironically linked to fossil extraction conglomerates.

I DO hope that Apple releases an electric car. I think it really could be a game changer. I think that it will end up being elegant, from a technological sense, and meaningful from addressing appeal for electric cars. I hope it's not full of meaningless drivel like 'self-driving' and other 'too soon' sparkles. I mean, some might be nice, but like in the flying industry, people have been telling pilots not to rely on their automation as much for years. Adaptive cruise control is frightening. All of that 'tech' is frightening in the short amount of time that a driver has to react when it doesn't work as designed.

Go Apple!!! I will have an open mind on whatever they come up with. Competition in that market is going to be fantastic. The industry can't be controlled by one erratic voice. There was an article I came across that mentioned how many times the Tesla has been recalled. Yikes... Talk about 'public beta testing'?
There’s already plenty of competition. Just about every major car company has released or will soon release a bevy of EV’s and we’ll even see a pickup from Ford before Tesla. This is significant because more pickup trucks are purchased by the most hypocritical and entitled generation who claim to care the most about the environment than any other generation. :p

I like your optimism and I hope Apple can add something to the mix, but I have little faith considering Apple has been working on this thing for a decade now with little to show for it other than constant employee and mgmt turnover. My guess is it’ll be more like Apple Music, Apple TV+, and HomePod… late to the game with not much new to offer.

That “erratic voice” OTOH has literally created the blueprint for how to make EV’s profitably and completely disrupted the auto industry in the process. He’s also proven to be far smarter and more ambitious than Apple mgmt who have turned Apple from an innovator and disrupter to a slow follower.

As for recalls, I’m pretty certain every modern car has been recalled at least once. A few years ago, there were something like 3+ recalls for every vehicle sold, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s worse today. IOW, cars have become super complex and recalls are a meaningless gauge of how satisfied you will be with a car. If it were, Mercedes would have gone out of business years ago since they seem to lead that category every other year.
 
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The discussion I find here is basically the same as on the Tesla forum.
Making, selling and owning a car is part of the bigger picture called "personal mobility".
Four aspects that play a major role:
1. Enjoying a car, Fahrvergnügen etc. has a lot to do with controlling the car
2. The joy of manual mode has a lot to do with car ownership, design, performance etc.
3. If you can't control (don't have to steer) the car, why own the car?
4. If you don't own the car, a driverless vehicle can be more utilitarian

Below is a depiction how car automation may "disrupt".
Have the money to own a car (many do), hang on to one (or two).

Don't have the money, or the parking space like in many Asian and European cities,
and my prediction is that (subscription-based) personal mobility through AVs may
well turn out to be cheaper than Public Transport!

1*dTkzRjSu0c--rOBZgNVZSQ.jpeg
 
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The discussion I find here is basically the same as on the Tesla forum.
Making, selling and owning a car is part of the bigger picture called "personal mobility".
Four aspects that play a major role:
1. Enjoying a car, Fahrvergnügen etc. has a lot to do with controlling the car
2. The joy of manual mode has a lot to do with car ownership, design, performance etc.
3. If you can't control (don't have to steer) the car, why own the car?
4. If you don't own the car, a driverless vehicle can be more utilitarian

Below is a depiction how car automation may "disrupt".
Have the money to own a car (many do), hang on to one (or two).

Don't have the money, or the parking space like in many Asian and European cities,
and my prediction is that (subscription-based) personal mobility through AVs may
well turn out to be cheaper than Public Transport!


1*dTkzRjSu0c--rOBZgNVZSQ.jpeg
Which may be the case, but if it is why would the ride-hail providers sell the vehicles to end users, then turn around and have to pay the end users to use the vehicles in the ride-hail service, when they could just cut out the middle man, so to speak.
 
Ride-hail providers like Cruise, Waymo etc. will offer subscription-based
personal mobility; driverless is a way of cutting out the biggest cost factor,
the human driver.
Car companies can still sell cars, highly personalized etc. like they do now;
driverless will then be more of a comfort feature.
 
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