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So, I think I've seen this movie before. You know, where a rumored Apple product is DOA before anyone's even seen it? I think the iPod, iPhone, iPad, and Apple Watch all "sucked" before they were launched too.
The iPod was the one I never paid attention to, never owned it or a similar device, but I wanted the iphone, the iPad, and especially the watch before they were real products. But this VR, stuff, I'm afraid it's more of the iPod scenario to me, I'll never even think about it. Now the other rumor about AR "glasses", that could be something I'll want.
 
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The report that this is based on has a bit more to say about that. There were originally two devices that were being worked on. The VR/AR headset and a lightweight pair of glasses that could be worn all day (think of a greatly refined version of Google Glass). Tim Cook was a proponent of the glasses not the headset, but essentially all development went towards the headset. This left a small number of developers working on the glasses project "just to keep Tim happy". This article is leaving out that bit. The tech for the glasses to work as Tim envisioned just isn't a reality yet, and probably won't be for the next 5 to maybe 10 years so compromises were made, and now we have this headset. It could work. Who knows. I will be interested to see how it is presented at WWDC.
I totally udnerstand this. Personally, I think decent Mixed reality is needed to help develop the software and hardware for the eventual AR smart glasses product. If the iPhone didn't have 15+ years of phones, music players, PDAs and more to build on it would not have been possible to come out as close to fully formed as it did. As I've been saying about all these rumors, AR is the next paradigm in computing but this device likely signals entering the Apple 1 or Message Pad 100 phase, not the System 7 or iPhone 4 phase.
 
Artificial Intelligence (AI), especially AI on the level or ChatGPT 4, is the killer App for Apple's headset! We have real Science Fiction level AI and all you guys care to argue about is the headset! Don't forget that Apple is a software company too. It's the AR User Experience (UX) that matters more than the hardware! The hardware will improve over time! Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) is a bigger challenge than any AR headset!
 
The iPod was the one I never paid attention to, never owned it or a similar device, but I wanted the iphone, the iPad, and especially the watch before they were real products. But this VR, stuff, I'm afraid it's more of the iPod scenario to me, I'll never even think about it. Now the other rumor about AR "glasses", that could be something I'll want.
My brother. 🤣

I found the one other person in the world who never owned an iPod. We’re a small club.
 
While I wouldn't say I am on the nay-sayer bandwagon, I will say that one big difference between this and all of the previous examples mentioned is that the AR product is rumored to be more for developers or high-end professional use at first. I don't believe that was true for the iPod, iPhone, or the Apple Watch.

As alway, I could be way wrong... (bracing for big obvious examples)
I also think that in that category a lot of folks here who've never worked in a larger corporate setting don't realize how much of a rounding err equiptment in this price range is in the total cost of the employee using it. A whole bunch of $3k devices aimed at devs and high end pros with a business justifcation for needing it is dev group pocket change
 
Per the infamous iPod launch thread, the first of those sucked even right after Apple revealed it due to "insane price", "nobody will want", "why is Apple straying off of their core competencies" and so on. But then, apparently, many came around and the success of that thing basically made modern Apple.
not to mention that prior to the iPod launch Apple's core competency would have been filing for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy.
 
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I understand this a rumor site, but this article is garbage. Even a rumor site must screen out claims that are out of the bounds of reality, or else risk becoming the tech version of Vice or Buzzfeed. Just look at some the nonsense in this article:

a) "Tim Cook, Craig Federighi, and Johny Srouji have kept their distance from the company's mixed-reality headset" Are we are expected to believe that the top execs at such a well run company were not intimately involved in the development of only the second product category to be introduced on their watch? And that, despite the fact that this device "does not meet their expectations", they green-lit the launch of a poorly thought out device that could potentially ruin their hard-earned reputations, not to mention Apple's stock price!?

b) "The company allegedly hopes that third-party apps will save it." Really?! When has Apple ever done this? When the iPhone launched, they did not even allow third-party Apps on it! Even when they introduced the M1 chip, they had Rosetta 2 ready to make sure all Intel applications worked well on it, despite that fact that they already had major third-party developers lined up with M1-native applications. There is no way Apple would take such a flippant attitude to a new product category.

c) "The company has decided to sell the device at its approximate cost to make, rather than sell it at a loss as it originally considered." Ridiculous - Apple is not Google or Facebook or Microsoft. This 'sell-at-cost' approach is antithetical to Apple's business philosophy, and is the exact opposite of what they have done throughout their history.

Next time, try to put some effort into what you publish, instead of blindly regurgitating everything you find on the interwebs.
 
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Don’t expect too much and you won’t be disappointed !

While it will be a unique product it’s not for everyone
 
Apple wishes that users will eventually wear a head-mounted AR device continuously all day, replacing tasks currently accomplished on other devices such as the iPhone and Mac, including web browsing, gaming, email, video calls and collaboration, working out, and meditation, but does not expect this to happen immediately
All day? Not only not immediately, but also not eventually. Sorry Apple, actually never. Except maybe for people sentenced to 25 years in prison, singe cell confinement.
 
It may take a few years to work out the kinks and go mainstream, but a certain group of people will love this in the first edition. This will be the first glimpse of the future. Much more so then the Quest headsets.
 
That’s the problem with these goggles. Have a monitor you have many micro breaks that help with eye strain.

Plus, Apples goal here is that we wear this all day long.
1. I’m wondering how you can get eye strain from something that hasn't been announced yet.
2. Assuming it will be announced and that you're a sucker for these rumours, the rumour states that 'initially' they wanted glasses that could be worn all day, but these will not be them, due to lack of technical advancement.

If you’re to base an opinion on an unsubstantiated rumour, at least read the rumour first.
 
Artificial Intelligence (AI), especially AI on the level or ChatGPT 4, is the killer App for Apple's headset! We have real Science Fiction level AI and all you guys care to argue about is the headset! Don't forget that Apple is a software company too. It's the AR User Experience (UX) that matters more than the hardware! The hardware will improve over time! Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) is a bigger challenge than any AR headset!
Imagine being deaf and having goggles (we have no clue what they look like yet) and using AI & AR, they could have a text version of what is being said, in front of them. Not counting that Siri has no clue, but that’s the dream.

Palmer has apparently seen it and likes it. Does that mean it'll be good? I don't know...

We can’t pay attention to that because it doesn’t bash Apple. Remember, this is an anti-Apple thread.
 
1. I’m wondering how you can get eye strain from something that hasn't been announced yet.
2. Assuming it will be announced and that you're a sucker for these rumours, the rumour states that 'initially' they wanted glasses that could be worn all day, but these will not be them, due to lack of technical advancement.

If you’re to base an opinion on an unsubstantiated rumour, at least read the rumour first.
Uh because I got eye strain on all existing products in this category? And I never said I got eye strain from this product. So I don’t know the point you are making. If every VR headset gives me eye strain after prolonged use, and these are NOT the glasses for all day, then my argument has some valid concerns. Having this on for hours will cause eye strain. It’s a fact this doesn’t happen as fast with traditional monitors since your eyes have mini breaks all the time. Looking at walls while thinking etc. Even standard monitors can give eye strain after prolonged use. So again, not sure why you are arguing this cannot happen with VR.

 
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All day? Not only not immediately, but also not eventually. Sorry Apple, actually never. Except maybe for people sentenced to 25 years in prison, singe cell confinement.
tons of people already wear glasses all day. The ideal version of this (way down the line) is to replace "dumb glasses" and "Sun glasses" with AR equipped "smart glasses" that also replace your phone, watch, computer, TV, headphones, sunglasses, corrective lenses, etc. because they have displays and features built in
 
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Uh because I got eye strain on all existing products in this category? And I never said I got eye strain from this product. So I don’t know the point you are making. If every VR headset gives me eye strain after prolonged use, and these are NOT the glasses for all day, then my argument has some valid concerns. Having this on for hours will cause eye strain. It’s a fact this doesn’t happen as fast with traditional monitors since your eyes have mini breaks all the time. Looking at walls while thinking etc. Even standard monitors can give eye strain after prolonged use. So again, not sure why you are arguing this cannot happen with VR.


You didn’t express a concern, you said it was "THE problem with these goggles". That’s not a concern, that’s an outright statement as fact!

What a load of bs. When did I say this cannot happen with VR? Stop making stuff up and verballing me.
 
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At least the projected sales numbers in this rumour are a bit more realistic. I still think 900,000 is a lot of devices to shift at several thousand dollars each.

That there would be some strife around a product like this is to be expected, we will have to see how good the device is, and especially what the software is like.
 
You forgot "solution in search of a problem", "people running into things", "99% don't want", and all variations of nobody will be wanting to wear these 24/7/365 (as if anyone actually would).

Now did anyone notice the confirming line about using these as a Mac monitor which, even if it is "not as advanced as desired," implies that these can be the monitor of any-size discussed in prior threads. How much would we pay for an Apple 32" monitor that can easily move around with us and be used even in cramped quarters like on long airplane flights? How much would we pay for even a 17" MB? 18"? 20"? 24?" How much would we pay for iMac 27"? 30"? 32"? Ultra-wide? How much would we like a MB or iMac that is 40"? 50"? But also laptop bag light and mobile?

Thinking of that one simple application can make $3K seem only $1K more than the ASD (with stand option), which very likely sits in a fixed location for the life of the device... and substantially less expensive than Apple's other monitor... though this one may be able to be much larger/wider than that one... and go-anywhere-with-us mobile. Or have 2 of those visible in Goggles. Or 4 of them. Etc.

Look at that specific reference to iPhone allegedly from Apple. While many Apple competitors are trying to figure out an optimal folding screen technology to deliver much more screen RE in a still small, mobile device, what if Apple decided to take a crack at an any-size phone screen in a small, mobile device? Any size iPad screen? No crease or hinge necessary. Let's face it: we all must sometimes be doing something on our iDevices where we wish we could dynamically have a bigger screen. That very real want is what is driving attempts at folds/rolls. What if goggles can offer up a virtual iPhone or iPad with up to IMAX-sized screen if you wanted it? No crease. No hinge.

This article reinforced my own imagination of "killer app" being as simple as "any size screen in a small, light mobile package." It makes me still envision the new kind of laptop, which is basically bottom half of the MB now + Goggles in the laptop bag... used just like we use laptops now (which is when we need them) EXCEPT now we can have ANY size screen on which to do our work instead of only up to 16 inches. A variation of this concept already exists because people are taking MBs with broken screens, disconnecting the top half and using the bottom half with existing screens...


Goggles may very well be the much wanted revival of MB 17" and an 18" model, 20", 24", 30", ultra-wide, etc, MINUS all of the weight and size that actually making much larger MBs would require. The keyboard half doesn't have to be larger than the one in a 13"-15". Here, it would not have to be. For me anyway, that ONE thing done well would be enough at $3K. Even 16" feels extremely cramped when I'm accustomed to doing most of my Mac work on a 40" ultra-wide. I'd love to have a virtual version of that desktop monitor available to me everywhere I might use a laptop.

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"Impossible!" some say. "Maybe in 10 years?"

Here's a demo of a new product from a guy whose (earlier) company was purchased about 10 years ago by guess who...


Apple filed a patent for this kind of thing in 2018, granted in 2020. The patent includes an exhibit of a figure wearing what appears to be goggles using what appears to be the bottom half of a MB and virtual screens out in front of him/her. As good as it looks in that demo video, I can only imagine how much better the same might look in Apple's 5-6 year investment in Goggles with dual 4K lenses, etc.
*battery powered monitor
 
My interest is "curious" at best about this device. I can see this device being used when information needs to be received, and the hands need to be free, and a person can't look elsewhere. I can see this being used for some purposes like:

- Learning how to ballroom dance. Watching videos require moving the head, which throws a person off balance
- Driving directions. If there's some way to overlay directions on the street, a motorcycle driver can just follow the arrows instead of looking at a phone.
- Providing biometric information, like speed, when skiing. A person can't look down at a watch to see the speed or heart rate.
- Providing automatic translation when traveling of signs?

Other then that, I can't see much use for this.
 
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