More likely the new competition chief realized that the law is hopelessly vague and didn’t want to litigate every single thing for the next decade. “Try to follow this law and then we’ll tell you if you comply” is a terrible way to regulate.
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More likely the new competition chief realized that the law is hopelessly vague and didn’t want to litigate every single thing for the next decade. “Try to follow this law and then we’ll tell you if you comply” is a terrible way to regulate.
Well yeah, hence my caveat. But also lower courts have been doing an excellent job, they’re just hamstrung by a corrupt and lawless Supreme Court majority.
The 9to5mac conclusion/take is very accurate as it pertains to these situations.
It's extremely likely that this particular forum thread is actually more contentious than what's being hashed out behind the scenes.
Cooler heads usually prevail (thankfully)
I think this is true now, but I don’t think it was true under Vestager.
Sounds like an excuse from someone that made ****** decisions.
Working 300 to 500 more hours per year (depending on the country of comparison) has its perks.The EU needs to stop with their money grabbing overreaching policies and acting like they run the planet
Numbers speak for themselves:
Actually, I’m one of the lucky ones. I’ve made some smart decisions and worked hard, but even so, I acknowledge I’ve been lucky (for now).
As I have that level of self-awareness, it enables me to understand that just because someone has not been as lucky as I am does not mean they’re any less deserving of good things in life.
An example of what I was referring to earlier in the thread
The 11 plaintiffs in that case, who represent environmental, animal and community nonprofits, have now challenged that decision in the U.S. Court of Appeals in the D.C. Circuit, which they claim “leaves frontline communities in the dark about noxious chemicals in the air they breathe.”
Link: https://capitalpress.com/2025/10/07...exemption-to-federal-emissions-reporting-law/
Americans flex about a lifestyle that would make me want to kill myself.
As the saying goes - there is good in bad, and there is bad in good.
I think about how thick and bulky the iPhone 17 pro max is, and it is precisely of its existence that something as thin and compromised as the iPhone air is able to exist (people who don't like the air can simply opt for the pro).
I would also enjoy your working conditions very much, and I also wonder if this is precisely the reason why the EU has to regulate tech giants like Apple by way of the DMA. These working conditions and its strict regulatory environment, while a dream for the average EU citizen, also mean that at a societal level, a product like the iPhone would never have been possible. Is it any wonder why so many tech giants today are from the US (eg: Microsoft, Facebook, Apple, Google), and virtually none from the EU? I dunno - would you see that as a good thing or a bad thing?
I think back to the conditions that the employees working on the original iPhone were subject to (countless burnt nights, untold stress, even failed marriages), and I simply can't imagine subjecting myself to that exacting work environment (I would likely have quit long ago). But it is because of that "inhumane" work environment that gave birth to the iPhone, and society has been forever changed by it (whether for better or worse is debatable, but the impact is undeniable), and well, I do love my Apple products. 😝
I am not saying it's right or admirable, but I do acknowledge that I am enjoying the fruits of another man's labour. Like, is it wrong to say, order a bunch of cheap stuff from Taobao, knowing that they are probably being manufactured under sweatshop conditions, while also acknowledging that I would never in a million years work in those conditions myself?
Does that make me a hypocrite? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
There is no systemic injustice
The EU did NOT program Crowdstrike.
If a company such as Apple has a global roadmap, it’d better respect the laws of the countries where it wants to make money. If international laws and regulations affect code complexity and security issues, Apple better hire software engineers that are up to the task. That applies to Microsoft too.
So, for example, EU laws discouraged Apple from developing the first foldable smartphone? Or does that apply to software only? If so, I would believe it in the case of OS 26: The EU must have forced them to make the UI more transparent.
There is a life beyond the internet and computer screens. Europe might not have a large share of the IT services industry. But we still make things. You know, like cars, trucks, trains, planes, heavy machinery, good food, luxury items, pharmaceutical and chemical products and yes, even some semiconductors.
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And that you don't have to worry about money if you get sick, unlike in certain other countries that call themselves the land of the free. Protection against dismissal, tenant protection, reasonably good public transport. And so on. In certain circles, this is also known as communism.
In my city, even the public transport is free for everyone. In most cities, the public transport is free for the retirees and older people. The public transport system is quite good, so one doesn’t really need to own a vehicle.
I recently got my eyes checked. I see things clearly -- not colored by ideology. As two great American presidents once said, America is, in fact, the "shining city on the hill" and "last best hope of earth." The EU and its regulatory overreach (an overcompensation for lack of innovation and economic dynamism), among other things, is just a sad and pitiful.
Yes, that too was done free. I'm not using spectacles after 33 years.
Sure, you have to climb that hill, and once you get there, the wealthy are already ready to push you down that hill.
That's debatable but highly irrelevant here.
Setting aside the unwarranted insult and ad hominem, you are assuming I live in the USA - yet another irrelevant conjecture.
I shouldn't need to define this - a gatekeeper controls access, what do you think a large regulatory body like the EU does or any large governing body for that matter?
The EU has absolutely been pushing boundaries as a regulator and regulation is inherently a form of gatekeeping.
The US tends to have much lower penalties and less regulation in general - lower regulation and more open markets generally leads to better economic outcomes - this is well documented across the globe.
While there are certainly cases of penalties being ignored and I'm sure that happens anywhere, its more that that are simply less restrictions.
So again, personal responsibility. It isn't "luck". You put yourself in good or bad situations.
No, but their regulations directly led to the outage. It's an indisputable fact. Had the regulation not been in place, Crowdstrike wouldn't have had the access TO cause the outage. No regulation, no outage.
"Our regulations introduce security issues that is on you to fix, and if it introduces issues that you or we don't foresee, then that's your fault, not ours" is definitely how the EU thinks, but in the rest of the rational world everyone knows it'll be the regulations' fault, not the regulated companies'.
The DMA says Apple has to give access to any iOS software innovation to its competitors for free. I don't think you need to go to business school to understand why that discourages innovation.
And while it's not DMA related, the USB-C mandate will chill innovation in charging ports (It massively changes the ROI calculation in developing a better port if it can't be used on any device in the EU).