Report: Apple Nearing Agreement With EU Over App Store Rules

[jarman92]

Two things.

First, these regulations are not vague. Even an American can understand them.

Second, Apple is American. So it's no wonder that the company believed it could change the rules by lying. After all, that's normal in the US.

They’re incredibly vague. So vague they would be immediately struck down as unconstitutional in the US (even before our banana republic era). And it’s obvious that they’re vague because the EU is negotiating compliance with companies rather than just pointing to the text and saying “do that.”

 

[turbineseaplane]

So vague they would be immediately struck down as unconstitutional in the US (even before our banana republic era).

By whom?

There is nobody actually ruling based upon constitutional rules (or the spirit of them) any longer. Wildly unconstitutional things are happening at the highest level now, constantly.

I do agree with you about the banana republic era part however.

 

[jarman92]

One could counter argue that it is nice from the EU to even give Apple a chance to talk about it. They could also be like "you didnt follow our law, here is your fine. do better next time"

More likely the new competition chief realized that the law is hopelessly vague and didn’t want to litigate every single thing for the next decade. “Try to follow this law and then we’ll tell you if you comply” is a terrible way to regulate.

 

[jarman92]

By whom?

There is nobody actually ruling based upon constitutional rules (or the spirit of them) any longer. Wildly unconstitutional things are happening at the highest level now, constantly.

I do agree with you about the banana republic era part however.

Well yeah, hence my caveat. But also lower courts have been doing an excellent job, they’re just hamstrung by a corrupt and lawless Supreme Court majority.

 

[turbineseaplane]

More likely the new competition chief realized that the law is hopelessly vague and didn’t want to litigate every single thing for the next decade. “Try to follow this law and then we’ll tell you if you comply” is a terrible way to regulate.

The 9to5mac conclusion/take is very accurate as it pertains to these situations.

It's extremely likely that this particular forum thread is actually more contentious than what's being hashed out behind the scenes.

Cooler heads usually prevail (thankfully)

 

[jarman92]

The 9to5mac conclusion/take is very accurate as it pertains to these situations.

It's extremely likely that this particular forum thread is actually more contentious than what's being hashed out behind the scenes.

Cooler heads usually prevail (thankfully)

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I think this is true now, but I don’t think it was true under Vestager.

 

[turbineseaplane]

I think this is true now, but I don’t think it was true under Vestager.

I'm just glad it's true at all.
This continual back and forth is good for nobody.

 

[cocky jeremy]

Let me introduce you to the very real problem of systemic injustice.

In America, you can bust your ass and get nothing, or do **** all and be handed the world.

Tell me, where does personal responsibility enter into that equation?

Sounds like an excuse from someone that made ****** decisions.

 

[MilaM]

The EU needs to stop with their money grabbing overreaching policies and acting like they run the planet

Numbers speak for themselves:

Fact Check: Has the economic gap between Europe and the United States increased in the past decade? | Econofact

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Working 300 to 500 more hours per year (depending on the country of comparison) has its perks.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Working 300 to 500 more hours per year (depending on the country of comparison) has its perks.

Yikes.
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Average labor hours per worker

 

[trusso]

Sounds like an excuse from someone that made ****** decisions.

Actually, I’m one of the lucky ones. I’ve made some smart decisions and worked hard, but even so, I acknowledge I’ve been lucky (for now).

As I have that level of self-awareness, it enables me to understand that just because someone has not been as lucky as I am does not mean they’re any less deserving of good things in life.

 

[turbineseaplane]

poor food, air and water quality regulations

An example of what I was referring to earlier in the thread

The 11 plaintiffs in that case, who represent environmental, animal and community nonprofits, have now challenged that decision in the U.S. Court of Appeals in the D.C. Circuit, which they claim “leaves frontline communities in the dark about noxious chemicals in the air they breathe.”

Link: https://capitalpress.com/2025/10/07...exemption-to-federal-emissions-reporting-law/

 

[Dr McKay]

I guess that is where the culture gap shows. In the EU we do not feel the need to be the best at everything. For me success means a steady job that pays enough to save some money, where I can put the pen down at 5 pm (1 pm on Friday) and enjoy my 34 vacation days. That is success to me

Americans flex about a lifestyle that would make me want to kill myself.

 

[Abazigal]

I guess that is where the culture gap shows. In the EU we do not feel the need to be the best at everything. For me success means a steady job that pays enough to save some money, where I can put the pen down at 5 pm (1 pm on Friday) and enjoy my 34 vacation days. That is success to me

As the saying goes - there is good in bad, and there is bad in good.

I think about how thick and bulky the iPhone 17 pro max is, and it is precisely of its existence that something as thin and compromised as the iPhone air is able to exist (people who don't like the air can simply opt for the pro).

I would also enjoy your working conditions very much, and I also wonder if this is precisely the reason why the EU has to regulate tech giants like Apple by way of the DMA. These working conditions and its strict regulatory environment, while a dream for the average EU citizen, also mean that at a societal level, a product like the iPhone would never have been possible. Is it any wonder why so many tech giants today are from the US (eg: Microsoft, Facebook, Apple, Google), and virtually none from the EU? I dunno - would you see that as a good thing or a bad thing?

I think back to the conditions that the employees working on the original iPhone were subject to (countless burnt nights, untold stress, even failed marriages), and I simply can't imagine subjecting myself to that exacting work environment (I would likely have quit long ago). But it is because of that "inhumane" work environment that gave birth to the iPhone, and society has been forever changed by it (whether for better or worse is debatable, but the impact is undeniable), and well, I do love my Apple products. 😝

I am not saying it's right or admirable, but I do acknowledge that I am enjoying the fruits of another man's labour. Like, is it wrong to say, order a bunch of cheap stuff from Taobao, knowing that they are probably being manufactured under sweatshop conditions, while also acknowledging that I would never in a million years work in those conditions myself?

Does that make me a hypocrite? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯