The software is still architecture flexible - while I don't believe a switch is coming any time soon, it certainly can be done.
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Report: Apple Pays Less Than 30 Cents in Royalties to Arm Per Chip
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The software is still architecture flexible - while I don't believe a switch is coming any time soon, it certainly can be done.
Never sign any contract that lasts more than 15 years. Just ask the city of Chicago how that parking contract is going...
With ARM you design your own chip, they just provide the instruction set so Apple is doing most of the work. In the App Store they provide the framework and developers do the work. It's quite a double standard on their side, but you have to acknowledge that Apple invested in ARM and is the reason it's exploded in popularity.
If they felt they were being underpaid, why did they agree to the current terms back in September when they signed this new deal that will last the next 16 years?
For the App Store, Apple also provides the dev tools (including simulators) and the infrastructure for distributing, updating, account management, billing, and more. It’s basically a free ride for Devs to use the App Store to generate revenue, with none of the store front / consumer facing technology to maintain an App Store as an extra cost. It’s all part of that 30% (or 15% for the smaller devs, or 0% for free, ad-supported apps).
Once again: A brick and mortar store has anywhere between 2% to 1000%+ mark up on items. Most online stores charge around the same. I think someone said, Amazon takes ~40%.
So please stop beating this dead horse. It is dead, smashed and long gone. No argument against Apple’s 15-30% commission has any ground to stand on when compared to the rest of retail market.
They also charge an “Arm” and a leg for there devices
Tim Apple: 30% or 30 cents, isn‘t it the same?
So you're making the case that I am the owner of Apple because I have some Apple shares, just as Softbank is the owner of ARM because they have some ARM shares?
I was a founding supporter of Apple and they don’t grandfathered me, at all!!!
And they can see it increase either in 2040 when the contract is up, or when ARM invents something new that Apple is willing to also pay to license.
Oh no, the dreaded $57.61 million dollar check.....I might just pass out.....hold me.....OH THE HUMANITY!
$29.31 millions from iPhone sales
Plus $12.31 million from Mac Sales with M-series
Plus $15.99 Million from iPad Sales.
Such greed.....such....yeah that's a lot of ****ing money for a royalty payment for a basic chipset. Apple did all the modifications, designs, proofing, casting, and manufacturing....
$29.31 millions from iPhone sales
Plus $12.31 million from Mac Sales with M-series
Plus $15.99 Million from iPad Sales.
Such greed.....such....yeah that's a lot of ****ing money for a royalty payment for a basic chipset. Apple did all the modifications, designs, proofing, casting, and manufacturing....
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This shows the challenges they have with the business model. Whilst Arm provides a key ingredient of the technology, there's a huge cost and innovation outside what they deliver. The fact that Apple have a history of swapping architectures (and making it work) I'm sure was leveraged to the max, as well as the fact that if Apple swap that would make a substantial impact on the share price.
Pinnacle of smart business. Fixed it for you. A business's entire purpose is to make money. Nothing greedy about it.
This argument is so old. Yes, I agree, too, that the percentage should -now- be lower, but what they are doing is not "wrong". 30% is the standard retail markup. Walk into any store and items on the shelf have been marked up 30-70%.
One needs to look at the massive value that Apple is giving to developers.
I don't know who negotiated the deals with ARM or Goldman, but Eddie Cue is well known as a master negotiator.
I see zero problem with this. Any complaint to the contrary is in error.
Apple & ARM have been crucial to each other's survival for three decades.
Apple & ARM have been crucial to each other's survival for three decades.
I'm glad that Apple is passing those saving to its costumers... 🙃🤣
I suppose if you had a cell phone plan or cable subscription that grandfathered you in at a low cost and the provider wanted to renegotiate with you to have you pay more, that you would promptly agree because you are NOT greedy?
Give me a break. Do you even hear yourself?
Well they take 15% for developers and 30% for those with over $million in revenue. PlayStation does the same.
In the meantime the customers who made Apple great again pay gazillions for their products and quality has been nothing to tall about.
Off topic, but when they say they have licensed until 2040 it makes me wonder how much farther they'll push this silicon. I was really hoping for a serious gaming GPU via M3, and the M3 is definitely an improvement, but it's not enough for me to ditch my PC. I hope that they either they release a super GPU next year or they'll bring back eGPUs via thunderbolt 5 (80Gbs).
This is a problem for ARM. If they get too greedy peope wil move to RISC-V. Would Apple change CPUs again? RISC-V is open source and anyone can use it for free. That would save Apple the 30 cents they pay but change is very disruptive. I doubt they would.
That said, risc-v could be used in chips that are not user-facing, like inside of cables and keyborads and trackpads and monitors. A typical home computer has MANY small microcontrollers, not just the man CPU.
That said, risc-v could be used in chips that are not user-facing, like inside of cables and keyborads and trackpads and monitors. A typical home computer has MANY small microcontrollers, not just the man CPU.