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What's the analogue for a cell phone? Maybe, idk, the battery?
Look, I’m not interested in a facetious conversation here. There is a lot of risk to disassembling a smart phone press connectors are fragile, that’s the reality of the situation. There’s a lot more to getting into a battery on a smart phone then you’re letting on. It’s the wrong device category to learn these skills on.
 
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I'm a pretty talented mechanic, though I haven't officially worked as one since college (I'm in healthcare, now). Anyway, I still enjoy working on my vehicle and my collection of various older machines and implements. I change my own oil, transmission fluid, brakes, tune-ups, all that. I've does timing belts, timing chains, and even engine builds and rebuilds in my garage. Working on a car is relaxing after dealing with the inside of a hospital all week.

Anyway, I think a cellphone is infinitely harder to work on than even the most modern vehicle; tiny screws, tiny clips, fragile ribbon cables, etc.. I can still do it, but I don't like it and it stresses me the F out.

I'll leave my battery replacements to Apple.
 
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I'm a pretty talented mechanic, though I haven't officially worked as one since college (I'm in healthcare, now). Anyway, I still enjoy working on my vehicle and my collection of various older machines and implements. I change my own oil, transmission fluid, brakes, tune-ups, all that. I've does timing belts, timing chains, and even engine builds and rebuilds in my garage. Working on a car is relaxing after dealing with the inside of a hospital all week.

Anyway, I think a cellphone is infinitely harder to work on than even the most modern vehicle; tiny screws, tiny clips, fragile ribbon cables, etc.. I can still do it, but I don't like it and it stresses me the F out.

I'll leave my battery replacements to Apple.
I’m in the same boat with my mechanical work. I’m an IT systems administrator so it’s fun for me to work on mechanical things when I’m done dealing with technological things for the workday.
 
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Like, didn't we used to have replaceable batteries in the days of 'dumb' phones? I always carried a spare with me - and my battery used to last for a week!

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Note: I posted this comment before my morning coffee, and it wasn't intended to be taken seriously. However, seeing that several people have quoted me, I realize I should clarify that this was meant as sarcasm.
lol there are too many people that actually still say this for it to be read as sarcasm by default
 
Yes, you are stating the obvious. Tools are required to open and work on the phone. But the difference is it could be one tool instead of four.
Well, it isn't. So you have a choice to make. Buy 4 tools, or don't. There's no reason for people to be questioning why Apple does it the way they do. They design the phones, so they design them how they want. You can choose not to buy them if it's that big of a deal.
 
And who said EU is useless, who is useless now huh? These guys are true heroes, they pushed Apple to do things that were never possible before. Obviously copycats like Google, Samsung, Huawei, Xiaomi will follow suit, maybe we will even get user-replaceable batteries somewhere in the future.

And yeah, replaceable batteries and waterproofing are compatible, my GoPro Hero 5 Black could tell (released back in 2016! Still works. Battery aged well and I will replace it for dirt cheap soon and will be rocking with the camera for longer)
 
That’s like complaining that torx drivers exist when you prefer to use a Philips head.

Pentalobe is in no way proprietary and a good screwdriver for it costs like $8. If you’re the type of person who actually repairs stuff you’d have bought one years ago…
People just can't deal with a company doing something in a way they don't like. They want laws changed and everything else. It's goofy. No one is forcing you to buy Apple products. If you don't like how they do something, don't buy it. It's pretty simple.
 
Note: I posted this comment before my morning coffee, and it wasn't intended to be taken seriously. However, seeing that several people have quoted me, I realize I should clarify that this was meant as sarcasm.
Kinda sad to read this, you actually said real truth. Maybe you need to cut on your coffee for a week or so? I have replaced it with some nice water+lime+tea mix and can tell that having a week-long battery life is cool. My Galaxy M33 (2022 phone!) could work for 4 days of usual smartphone use before I drowned it in a toilet lol.

Being able to replace batteries is cool and nothing to be ashamed of. Manufacturers should feel shame of selling bricks that users replace when a new comes out (and reason for replacement? Battery! Many don’t even care about replacing it and just switch phones).

Btw it also has a huge impact on ecology, not really sustainable to switch devices as often. I guess recession will fix things in next 2-4 years, people would be choosing if they want a Starbucks in the morning or next new iPhone every year
 
Of course!

I can't believe anyone is arguing that we can't have swappable batteries because of "dust" or "water proofing" concerns.

Absolute nonsense
No one is arguing directly that they are exclusive. There would just have to be trade offs made in the design process. So what are you guys willing to trade off to get to that goal, and do you think consumers en masse are if the same mindset?

I would think someone in the Android sphere would have cracked this balance, but it doesn’t seem like there is a phone model with replaceable batteries (let alone with that and a good water resistance rating) on the market that consumers are clamoring for.
 
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No one is arguing directly that they are exclusive. There would just have to be trade offs made in the design process. So what are you guys willing to trade off to get to that goal, and do you consumers en masse are if the same mindset?
Anything fr. It is Apple and I am sure they know how to make things look beautiful and functional at the same time. We could have had 1 year long battery life if batteries used plutonium instead of lithium, but I doubt anyone wants to glow at night. Also, notches are tradeoffs too, aren’t they? These things have always looked ugly and distracting, yet Apple says that everyone needs a selfie camera and Face ID (I doubt it, fingerprint scanner built in Apple logo on the back could suffice)
 
Anything fr. It is Apple and I am sure they know how to make things look beautiful and functional at the same time. We could have had 1 year long battery life if batteries used plutonium instead of lithium, but I doubt anyone wants to glow at night. Also, notches are tradeoffs too, aren’t they? These things have always looked ugly and distracting, yet Apple says that everyone needs a selfie camera and Face ID (I doubt it, fingerprint scanner built in Apple on the back would suffice)
I'm asking for a real answer.
 
electrically induced adhesive debonding technology: a soldering iron

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I assume this is a joke. But try it. Battery fires are kind of entertaining. They are not at all like a gasoline fire where it is an emergency. The last time I accidently set a Lipo battery on fire I picked it up with some pliers and walked it outside and set it down on the concrete. There is no way to put the fire out, you just have to wait. I can only imagine some untrained consumer trying to pry a battery out of an iPhone with this tool, As said, it would be entertaining at least.

BTW, the above photo shows a $10 Chinese "old school" solder iron being sold at 25X the normal price. Buy the same thing on Amazon for $10 (one of the Amazon sellers even uses the same stock photo.)
 
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My entire point is that we should be making it easier to learn that skill. And while not everyone has a laptop, virtually everyone has a phone. Why not make that a great place to start?

Learning to repair things should be considered cruel and unusual punishment.

I don't want to repair anything and I don't want any increase in size, volume or weight to make it easier or cheaper to repair for small devices.
 
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We can’t replicate a parallel world where Apple does that, but we had many cases of flagship Android phone with easily replaceable battery in the past, and they failed in the market compared to their non-replaceable equivalents. All recent “modular” projects like the fairphone haven’t gained traction either. So at least I’d say there is no huge customer demand for it.

The problem with waterproofing is not (mainly) the battery itself but the fact that you can’t seal the phone nearly as good with clippings, you can’t ensure the effectiveness of gaskets after opening the device, etc.

Ah OK. I don’t follow the Android world - so I will take your word on that one.

As for waterproofing, I don’t see why anything would change. I mean you have to break the gaskets to replace the battery now.
 
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Remember the days when in an airport or grocery store someone dropped their phone? The phone went one way, the battery flew off in another direction and the removable battery case went under the trashcan or display case. Looks like the bureaucrats will be taking us back to the past. Sad
In the past breaking the dsplay glass didn't often happen as now (at least to me). I have always thought that when a phone dropped on the floor, the energy was "discharged" on the weakest point, the connection between the phone and the battery and this saved the display.

Probably this isn't true, but based on my experience I like to believe it is.
 
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Reading the comments reminds me of this old animated video I watched many years ago. Where the battery in the iPhone would slide in and out through this device and instantly fully recharge it.
 
Learning to repair things should be considered cruel and unusual punishment.

I don't want to repair anything and I don't want any increase in size, volume or weight to make it easier or cheaper to repair for small devices.

Meanwhile I want to be able to repair my own devices.

And at the prices phones are getting, they should be upgradable. The world has enough disposable ewaste floating around already.
 
Yes we did, and those mechanical mechanisms to eject them take up space and greatly reduce water ingress protection. A little rubber seal is not adequate to result in the stories of "my phone sat in a pond for two weeks". There are actual engineering tradeoffs that need to be made to accomplish that kind of ease-of-access for swapping batteries.
I use my phone to take pictures while diving, and one time my case cracked around 100 feet underwater. I kept swimming for another 30+ minutes. My phone survived. I had issues charging for a day or two due to it detecting water in the charging port, but after a few days it was literally as if nothing happened. Pretty incredible lol.
 
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